Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

If six or six million are murdered in the name of war it is ALL a holocaust. It doesn't matter how many die it is a holocaust to our true nature. If humanity cannot transcend the need for war, then humanity will eventually kill itself off the planet. Without a paradigm shift in human consciousness a holocaust of Billions will surely come upon us all.

Consciousness transformed + no war = Peace for us all.

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

eXchanger, I expected better from you.

You say "WE did not write this..." who is WE exactly? Do you have an evil twin I don't know about?

We do not need this foolish discussion to occur again, so your reposting of these rightoid opinions are unneccessary here, and inflammatory for it's own sake.

Short memories or what? No wonder it is the fashion to rewite EVERY history... the latest generation ALWAYS thinks it is the smartest, wisest,
most tech advanced to date. We are still being shown this is also BS - neanderthals could have had it all over us in sprirtituality and art culture.
What do we worship today? Empty vessels: Lady CaCa, famous imbeciles with freakish faces, and stupid, overpaid young men beating the meat out of each other on a field.

Not all history is neccessarily 'wrong'. That's only my opinion now, but your write up of the piece you link to says alot of what you are thinking, too.

As has been stated already, the numbers might have been fudged, Bloodlines and races might have been ignored too, but the hell did happen,
and it still happens of course, just that (many of the holocaust) victims' puppet government is perpetrating some of the same sick rituals on the true owners of the country they inhabit.
Like some child abuse victims who grow up to be pedeophiles.

I would like to obliterate that entire ugly reality and all it's root causes (extreme rascism and other ignorance, grimy secret ritual belief (harmful to others), lack of attention to warped govt policy,
political apathy combined with flag waving patriotism) and so also it's history as some of us know it - perhaps you would too, eXchanger? In my preferred next world, anyone else who really wishes, won't have any of it - inc the current culture and empathy vacuum. Is pretending a different past the way toward a better future?

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

yes, it's true that there have been many genocides thruout history -- perhaps one difference w/the Nazi attempt at genocide of the Jews [particularly -- yes, i know Jews weren't the only ones to die in the camps] -- the difference is that the other 'genociders' have passed into history -- the Nazi genociders passed to other countries & now control the real power in my own country & others -- it was also the most well-organized genocide we know of

when you deny the Holocaust, you are essentially denying present reality, &, as far as the camps go, very likely denying your own future -- human beings seem to be really good at denial

also, Holocaust denial appears to be fun for anti-Semites

[edit for this: i don't now if the documentary 'Mein Kampf' is still around -- it was released in the year A. Eichmann was brought to trial -- a lot of footage that the SS themselves had taken of the camps -- there 's also a map that the British made of the location of the camps -- they were EVERYWHERE -- i remember reading of one small camp in which the inmates were given bunks made of barbed wire to sleep on

it seems kind of tasteless & definitely un-loving to me to deny the suffering & death of so many]

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

in many languages - there isn't a she/or a he - or; an i
there just, is, what there is,
we prefer 'we', rather than 'i'
if 'we' is good enough for 'the bloody queen'
than, it is 'good enough' for us - why be; a little 'i' ?
we aren't anyone's subject, we are free !!!

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

also; there was a huge holocaust in america;
back in 1490 - NOT even recorded in the history books

(we sure, do NOT want history to repeat itself)

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the issue here; if you pay close attention
is, that, it is against the law, to even talk about it !!!

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good day susan,hope all is well
i was wondering if you've heard of unit 731.
i saw it on google awhile back.it is about how the japanese treated the chinese just before ww11 took place in 1938.the japanese were experimenting on the chinese in ways that made the germans look loving.
also found out that the concept of ovens was not a ww11 thing.
it almost seems like a script.one that got attached to the holocaust.

WARNING very disturbing.dont watch if you are tender

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAp8bSdE5MQ

what i find even more disturbing than the cruelty,is that the american governments,did nothing,said nothing and were more than willing to receive all the results of the expeiriments.


peace,love...kent

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

Personally, I think there have been these so called holocaust going back even further

I didnt know about the one in 1490, but what do people think war does in the first place ?


I know that I think it is time to put an end to this

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yes, it is a shame, that, they try to take away our wellness businesses,
and, it is a shame, that, they invest, in the worst BUSINESS in the world, WAR

WE MUST BRING an end to it, so, everyone can

BE a PIECE of PEACE

any suggestions, on how we do that ???

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

in light of the 'Patriot Act,' other minor restrictive laws pale, & do not worry me

i still maintain that the words 'Holocaust denial' are being used to influence the collective human psyche in some way -- words are actually just symbols, & the reptilian nwo is going all out w/a symbol war on the human mind right now -- there are weird vibes around that phrase --

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

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personally first,then the world.yesterday was just that,tommorow doesnt exist.
that leaves today.
that dramatically reduces the size of the problem.peace,love and harmony from there.
now it gets really complicated,lol.cause it seems to me that loving your neighbor,like your self,has become extremely foreign to most people in the world.
i dont know why.
on the personal front,i am aware that we/us/them/they and those folks are brothers and sisters,directly related to trees.ya,i know,mind boggling amazing.
it makes me sad at same time ,because i can see how simple the solution is.
for whatever reason it is a concept that for the most part is lost.

how to eliminate the fear of each other,so we can get down to loving, giving
in a more harmonious relation with mother earth.simple and yet so complicated.

nobody is gonna save me.so it starts with me.now i need some help,lol.
harmony,hmmmm,simple.

i recorded this today down at the river.
theres a couple crows singing in the middle.they must have known i was recording,lol.
i did four,and crows sang in two of them.the wind chimed in also.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P7uSMK3TlI

peace,love,harmony...kent:original:

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Hi Fossileyesed -- getting rid of the fear works if everyone in the game wants to get rid of it -- unfortunately for us at this time on Earth, some of the key players in the game find fear very useful & quite nourishing -- not all beings on & around Earth have hearts that will be opened should there be the promised incoming of Divine Love

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Re: Warning: VERY CONTROVERSIAL - holocaust
 

Thanks for the timely topic, Susan. The 'holocaust' has been milked for every ounce of guilt possible! It is time for them to drop it and get a life. Ernst Zundel just spent seven years in the slammer for daring to re-publish a book questioning the distortions of the official holocaust claims. Meanwhile, Elie Wiesel is going around posting a full page ad in the NY Times urging for sanctions against Iran. What about sanctions against Israel - for their atrocities against the Palestinians? Read the Goldstone Report. Clearly, this identity of victimhood is a sickness.

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ya,thats the sad part.

peace