Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Nice one, Zenbouy.. !

And to me that says... the Grim Reaper will get you everytime.

So why dress him up as something else, and be afraid of that instead?

But of course, a lot of people are afraid of dying

So there's clearly a market there, whatever it is you want to sell, you just have to decide the flavour.

Thanks for putting is so clearly, that we can see the message is the same.

We don't need to validate whistleblowers. The only validation you need is your own. Do we validate ourselves?

The whole finger pointing backwards routine.... if someone really doubts someoneelse's truth, doesn't that just mean that deep down they doubt their own by the same measure?

K

P.S Can we wrap this up, I need to go to bed :original:

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Since when were we talking about ALL whistleblowers?

I think it might be more fitting that B&K are getting their paycheck from the CIA. The trick is that they probably would not even realize it. For example, a few large donations from a few people. Where did the money really come from?

--sjkted

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Awwwww Common.. You think B and K would knowingly accept payment from CIA operative organizations? Nope you did'nt say that.. You suggested they "might" accept UNknowing donations from the CIA.
Give me a break.... Camelot and Avalon participants are'nt THAT stoopid.
We watch the tapes and videos,we draw our own conclusions.
Cliff makes valid points,regardless of where or whom they came from.
CIA payed disinfo adgents? I hope not..Are there any here?
NOW? Who cares....
There is definatly a shift in writing on these websites.
Not just Avalon.
Collective Info Gathering? Big Whupp.
NO ONE here talks about stashing weapons and waiting for the MAN.
WE talk about preparing for asension. In this life or the next one.
Gimmee a break.
If B and K are prepping us for a suckerpunch that they conceived for personal gain? I'd be ******. Illogical.
Argue on any level you want.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

john harris take on all this stuff recently on a redice radio interview was to say he no longer has a mobile phone, he wont be using his computer much longer and he's gonna start going out and jsut helping people. service to others . mow lawns , tidy stuff ect. at some point we will not have the internet and we will actually have to go outside and do something with all this info we have.

the best thing is that in that situation is non of the woo woo stuff(as cliff calls it) is in the least relevant to every day situations of survival..

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

>>"if you present personalities who proffer extraordinary claims, you (they) had better provide extraordinary proof, or be prepared to have it all called ********."<<

Is he talking about himself?:winksmiley02:

Although I respect Cliff High's medium for gathering information I don't always believe that his info is totally accurate.

And as far as "extraordinary proof" I believe that this particular post of his is based on his own opinion for whatever reason, which does not make it "extraordinary proof"

It sounds like the NWO PTB got to him OR got to somebody.:shocked:

PLEASE Bill and Kerry, do not ever sell out to them!

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Sometimes I'm so confused. Do we dig, build boats, look for a cave, lay out on the middle of the trampoline or just go hoe the garden? :mfr_lol:

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Let's do all of them at the same time as quickly as possible. Welcome to my life. :original:

--sjkted

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

O what was the subject again hmmmm let me think whistleblowers on Project Camelot and that means all whistleblowers on Project Camelot.:lmfao:

But getting payed without or with knowing who is paying is the difference or is Cliff High simple responding, because of the conflict. (EGO)

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

He's referring to Bill Deagle per the prior thread and he's talking about Bill and Kerry's method. I don't think he's calling BS on every single whistleblower from Camelot.

--sjkted

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Harshly critical comments and then you finish with 'Peace'? Some people hammer others, everyone spouting their 'important' opinions - and then finish with the barf inducing 'love and light'.

Who cares...

Goodbye.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

And this part then on
http://halfpasthuman.com/timeexpo2.html

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Yes Kulapops ! I've arrived at the same conclusion during my sojourn here at PA. I first arrived out of fear, and then stayed because I saw hope and the possibility of evolution and ascension within the words of the wonderful people here. Even the controversy between Cliff and B&K has been a learning experience for me. It has helped me to rely on myself even more in my process of searching for the truth.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

I am surprised that Cliff has got into a slanging match. As someone here so eloquently posted Cliff's own quote about having to provide 'extraordinary proof' - how does that apply to his own technology?

I'm all for people having great ideas but when they start to take themselves too seriously (and I include myself in this) they lose a certain kind of flexibility and become stiff and brittle. This second broadside at Camelot has a slightly more bitter taste to it than the first and seems largely unsolicited.

The taller the willow grows, the more it bends.

If the world really were going to end in three years (and I don't think it will) - I'd rather enjoy this life to the full as a loving and hopeful being (mowing lawns if you will) than spend it sanding down a boat, only to find I die when the time comes anyway. (Can you imagine? "Oh Sh*t! It's sprung a leak !!!")

Peace n love n whatever it is that makes you happy

K :wub2:

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

That's a good point raised by of few people.. Re: 'how can Clif's predictive linguistics methods be viable, when he has now decided there is no tangible 'future', as this then implies something akin to an existing 'timeline'?

He states he goes with the 'eternal now' concpt as far as the material world, inc. our body and minds (presumably not the memory) are concerned.

In his current understanding, he seems to now believe consciousness to be outside the time/body/aging experience entirely, so it might follow that a system of prediction based on humans possessing some psychic ability would actually be tapping into some kind of mass consciousness (which is not 'real body time' dependent), existing outside of the individual's material time space. I don;t know if i got that right... but something like that! So, it could still fit well.

Well I don't mind what Clif writes, he's a cool guy. I didn't mind the Summer of Mild Discontent series and sequel. I buy his reports with pleasure.

Does Clif High really need to strain and bust a vein, just to Mad Max it on the future Planet Hell? I'd put that wrestling mat away in the bedroom if I were him, and have a nice well earned sleep on it for a bit. I don't believe the frothing dancing Dr. Beagle and his ilk for a second, but I like those tall stories at times!

Bickering here and there... when, how will it end, how many will perish oh great ones? Oh the pain of knowing! etc... Many 'talkers' could be sort of right, you know, and sort of totally wrong maybe. But, we really don't need to subscribe to anyone else's views about anything.

It is good to listen to everyone, and accept there are indeed slippery deceivers out there getting air time too - so maybe Clif could simply drink a bit less coffee (the agro could be just excess caffiene in a hyper-smart middle aged man). Maybe also breathe in some other more fragrant fumes, not just marine-ply sealer, and live right up to that cool last name. :smoke:

If everyone could just enjoy their fake time now, for god's sake.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Would you rather I said "war"......?

Anti nausea pills are dirt cheap.

Apparently, you do.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Touche'!

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

@kulapops
tell that to people of haiti or ant other after natural disaster
I bet ya, not to many people thought of it (quake) as being an option, but it still happened. Thouse who took proper steps are fine, but many of those who thought they would ascend died, simple as that.
I rather get ready for whatever and than focus on how I wish the future would look like.
What option do you choose?

gibonos

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

:)

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

but it's only your belief, facts show something else.
Trust me I wish it was true, but so far it's not.

gibonos

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

well...

whether you believe Cliff's forecasting apparatus or not , im glad he brought to light the same things ive thought for over a year regarding PC.

i first started reseacrhing all this "conspiracy/alternative/paranormal" about a year and a half ago when i read on Aintitcoolnews.com ( a movie site, im a movie buff) there was a link to edgar mitchell talking about aliens and UFO's being real.

this blew me away and i started to look into it, and of course once you go there or "down the rabbit hole" as everyone likes to say it leads you to vast amounts of theories and data. it changed my outlook permanently and lead to metaphysical and spiritual outlook changes in myself.

suffice to say in my research i stumbled upon PC. initially i was blown away by all the info, bob dean, st clair, zagami , burisch etc etc

i would hang on every new interview or statement that B and K put out- with each new tidbit my worldview was blown as things got crazier and scarier, deagle being a primary fearmonger.

then as i grew used to this info and sought other venues of info i began to notice a distinct slant at PC, the worst MOST alarmist world ending ideas.. invasion body snatching, martial law , illuminatti fear fear blah blah--it was all here and given higher priority than other info.

i saw how "whistleblowers" holes in their stories were never questioned everything was accepted as long as it fit into PC's alarmist apocolyptic xenophobic view. when the world didnt end or was taken over in october of 2008 i knew for sure i was being fed BS.

soon after PC got a big head and started acting rude and making waves at exoplotic conferences or belittling and mocking interviewees who didnt preach the "bad' alien agenda (greer and the pickering brothers)
they burned bridges and whistleblowers they counted as friends became outspoken in their disagreements with B and K.

we all know the story from here on out. people get mad on the forums and say "well WHY are you here???" - well im here because this is a public forum where the readers are informed about subjects none of my friends are, people here are receptive to intelligent discourse (some not all )

for me Cliff articulated the very source of B and K's misguided attempts at getting to some sort of 'truth" they inadvertently believe and propagate many UN truths, sadly.

im just glad to see people seeing the same things i am and be able to think for themsleves and not believe outright any one source of information, for my money HPH is pretty alarmist too, the reports are never positive and the "summer of hell" was like anyother summer for me, actually it was pretty fun.

so i would say, thanks to Cliff for the articulation, and getting people discussing it here in the forums- agree or disagree at least theres a dialogue.

-clark

http://superstrangeland.blogspot.com/

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

right on Clarky :)

but I think we should discuss what's in his article as well

like I stated before if time travel is possible why would you need underground bases for "2012", instead just move yourself to 2013?

gibonos

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Because to move to 2013 would be to move through the singularity, and that is the big hiccup which the looking glass, the webbots and timewave zero all revealed. Just as matter is energy condensed, so space is time condensed, when you leave the planet something strange happens to time, and those who leave have trouble getting back to any fixed point in time.

I must say, I love clif high's work, but he does come out with some wild extrapolations which are after all just his theories. A universe of infinite possibilities can accomodate time travel, it just adds to the infinity of the possibilities. I think a lot of those who get off planet end up evolving into greys in the far future, they then realise their mistake and keep attempting to come back and re-engineer their future and fail miserably every time leaving themselves on an eternal 26,000 year loop.

Make sense?

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

@feardia

makes sense, I understand perfecly, it would explain why certain ets want to be here when it happens (of course if it's true :))
but can you substanciate your claims? what's the science behind it?

cause if we take bassiago for instance he cliams to have visited future 2017 or something like it?

gibonos

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

That's my point. It's my belief that we have to choose in what way we prepare. There is no both for me. I'm not saying that is for everyone. If it doesn't resonate with you, and preparing is your calling, or preparing and spiritual development together works for you, then this is your truth.

I choose that you cannot out-prepare life. There can always be a piano somewhere waiting to fall on your head. Do you believe in the parking fairy? I do. I choose to trust in the process that has kept me so far in life, and I see no reason to start doubting it now.

All the fear mongering chips away at that trust, introduces self doubt and what-if scenarios that suggest the world is a scary place we need to be afraid of. While I am believing in and planning for those scenarios, I cannot have faith in the process.

Common sense would still apply though. I'm not saying never wear a seatbelt for instance... but building an unsinkable boat? We have to ask ourselves how far down that road we want to travel.

K

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

I know it's not expensive to prepare yourself and it does not take hours to do it.
I'm not even gonna argue that 6 months supply or at least for the winter should be everyones priority, it's common sense it's what our grandparents used to do.
Current structure of just in time delivery striped people from basic instincts for survival and programmed society to laugh and point out the weirdos who do it, everyone should do it (my opinion). Think of this winter and how many people got cold feet, where realy simple preparation would help a lot.

Hours or minutes :) of preparation is not fear based mentality, to use clifs words it's "threat management". If you don't manage your risks, threats- you live in fear, which can paralize and strip critical thinking. It's like war games, where different scenarious are played out and contingency plan is developed. This allows you to plan the next step should anything occur. It's not becuase of fear, but logic!

gibonos

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

@gibonos

It's just what I have surmised from studying all this stuff and using my own intuition.

I haven't paid any attention to basagio since I seen his book on Mars, there is no evidence there that hasn't been hawked around the internet for the past 5 years, I mean the yeti fixing his dune buggy pic, come on :wall: That nonsense is only a distraction to keep us from looking for what is really going on on Mars e.g. compare the face on Mars pic from 1976 to the latest ESA images...

http://www.harrybishop.ca/wp-content...ce_on_mars.jpg http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/4...ure_60_rs4.jpg

...they whacked it with a nuke.

I personally think he has been programmed by the cia, as has Dan Burisch and a lot of these other insider whistleblowers. To get in to an underground base you need to have a chip, and once you're chipped you're not working to the human agenda anymore.

All I know is that there is something big going on and they are going to extreme lengths to keep us from finding out about it.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

again after much thought i agree with clark kent. i think there were a huge number of us who jumped on the fear boat(perhaps prompted by world events, 8/8/08 georgia attack ect, including bill and kerry. im not blaming anyone for anything and we all learn from our mistakes. this is like a giant planetary initiation were all being put through(mystery school style.)

i still listen to all the stuff but i no longer hang on every word, the momentum left us as we entered 2009 and its not all as apocolyptic as feared even though lots of bad stuff is happening in the world.


i too had a really nice summer no hell here :)

do i think we are headed for very rough times ? yes
wil it be as bad as some suggest? maybe:smoke:

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Personally, I don't see much of a difference between what both Camelot and Clif High espouse. In the end, I think both parties are attempting to discern the truth, just as we all are. I will say this though... at least PC will occasionally offer something of hope for the future whereas I haven't been able to find a single, positive thing about the future, based upon what Clif High states/believes. I also find it very amusing that Clif is really big on showing proof for the claims you make (something he criticizes PC for) yet when you really look at his material, he succeeds at proving almost none of his claims either. What this all boils down to basically is yet another "ego war" about who is right and who is wrong. This "movement" is you want to call it that, is chock full of very egotistical people and every one of them seem to think that they are the only ones that are correct and everyone else is disinfo. It is so childish it's not even funny. No wonder noone in the general public takes us seriously.

Re: CLIFF HIGH taking a skeptical look at whistleblowers and questions camelot AGAIN!
 

Hey Clark? Good read.
You know what? I had a GREAT summer!! I'm serious. I read all the doom and glooms. I even made a calculated decision to not let my daughter go to school in San Fransico but,instead,go to school in L.A. because even if L.A. gets a big earthquake? Her city wont fall on TOP of her.
How's that for be prepared?
Other then that... I am truly sorry for all the misery in the world. It hurts me .
But I was homeless and penniless 3 years ago with a wife and 3 children.
That REALLY hurt. The shame,the rejection from family for losing a million bucks in realestate and money.(hey i EARNED IT I can lose it dammit)
Everything I do here in Tahoe makes me feel like I have a new beginning.
Yeppp Applying for welfare was the most humbling humiliating thing Ive ever done in my life.(old news) Telling my kids it will get better really hurt.
Now?
For me?
Watching people "spar" on PC or Avalon is like a breath of fresh air for me.
It's refreshing. It does'nt really matter who's telling the truth or what their adgena is. Just "idea's" to ponder.
When I read Above Top Secret? I laff at how quick people get flamed over there. Their BRUTAL over there. No Video? It did'nt happen. Got Video? Fake.
Zero compassion on that site... Zero.
Here? We are passionate and have compassion, THEN we question the credibility.
We're like a soft landing for everything here. And THEN we sqaush it.
I have no clue what I believe here anymore. I really enjoy the ride and read though.
And...I'm rebuilding wealth..Sux to rebuild. At least I know how and can.
I'm NEVER too broke to buy a beer for an Avalon or Camelot member. I have my priorities. Common up anytime.