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You're right. Seeing is believing.

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The solfeggio frequencies and binaural frequencies from my own experience are real and quite effective . A few years back I was diagnosed with black lungs as in cancer of the lungs , damaged heart and extreme bone decay mainly in my left hip. My last x-ray that I took after 3 years of solfeggio and binaural frequencies therapy indicated that my lungs had cleared completely , my left hip show minor bone decay. The x-ray technician after I explain the reason why I was having the x-ray done just shook her head in disbelief as to say that I was pulling her leg for all the symptoms I mention to her where no longer visible in the x-ray. Before I barely could sleep because I could not breath, now I sleep like a baby. These frequencies are free and can be found posted all over the internet. It is my hope that it can help you also. Remember that our bodies can heal itself if we know how to activate the correct frequencies . Everything in the universe emits a frequency, even the food we eat. Modern medicine is a business , many people have turn to the shaman of the amazons to find cures and natural medicines. I believe the future of medicine will be 100% more effective and people will live to be about 150 yrs. . Will this be a good thing for the ptb ? Lets see if I retire at 62 yrs. old and I collect social security for 100 yrs. this can become a real problem. Thus the reason why just about every single remedy we take has secondary unpleasant effects . Pharmaceuticals are a strong healthy business. PR is a paradise for a lot of pharmaceuticals , and fertilizer companies like mosanto.

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GFY Frank

Once when I was up and moving around more after laying in bed for so long my legs and muscels were so weak The pain was gone but I had alot of work to do and I was still on oxygen and I was still having speractic chest pains

I was listening to the Soffegio tunes with my headset on and I nearly threw them across the room I got so scare and here is why

It felt like the burning heat of two large hands reached into my chest and spread my chest open and my heart started beating like crazy. I told myself to calm down and just relax, (at least I think it was me saying that )

Afterwards I no longer had the chest pains that I had been experiencing for such a long long time. I am still estactic over this. To me it was truly a miracle.

I never heard of anything like this happening to anyone else that I have ever knew until you today

Thanks for sharing your story.

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There is a lot to be said for "the placebo effect"...

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Ok, I am glad you stepped into the debate with this. It will teach me not to generalize so poorly.

Compensation for "work" done is most definately not wrong - and I tried to take care not to imply it - particularly as yours requires you to organize the way in which you live around that "work". However, the door is open for it to go wrong in a very tangible way for those people who are determined to make a quick buck out of someone elses misfortune.

Whenever I have been involved in healing its more like -

"Hey, I can help with that, do you mind if I try",
"Ok then...", (zap)
"Oooh that was interesting".
... dialogue often ensues :) ...

At the end of the day, money and its exchange is simply a manifestation of energy moving. I know Susan has decided to leave this thread - but her "way" is all about eXchanging. In our society the commercial element is inevitable. Along with calls for regulation and govenrment registration and controls - all part of the deal.

That is why I even bothered with this thread. In his own special way Scarab raises this point. He doesnt want innocent people deceived and I agree.

Having a "professionally" run service with a short lifecycle between treatment and results, fairly priced, free from promises that could never be delivered on - is obviously a good way to mitigate the risks of being seen as a charlatan.

When I used the word professional, I was really focussing on the money as a motivator angle. Most people I have known that do this for a living do it for reasons other than money - they have reached a stage where they get all the money they need anyway as a consequence of the universal laws of attraction. When the motivator is money - then the whole story changes and gets a bit sad.

I know I could be sounding contradictory here. I probably need more time to home in on this.

A..

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You are welcome Mtruthseeker. I told the story to my friends , yet we are condition to believe that anything so simple that is not a pill or an injection can cure us or help us maintain our health. One of my friends who is an engineer and likes experimenting with new things try it out for a while but freak out because his legs kept vibrating and he kept picking up his cell phone thinking that someone was playing a joke on him. The best I can describe the effects of the frequencies are like getting a brain and mind tune up. I have never pay a single cent for the frequencies they are posted free of charge in you tube. There's serious studies conducted in many universities across the world on resonance , there are thesis upon thesis, measuring devices etc... Even Dr. Peterson talked about frequencies. Every single thing in the universe emits a frequency. The effectiveness of the frequencies are real.

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Or the power of suggestion.

Both are a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

A placebo, whilst being scientifically "null" is not in the large scheme of things. Science overlooks the conciousness angle, and the power of intent.

When a Doctor prescribes something that he knows to be a placebo, he is INTENDING to heal his patient - and often that is all that is required.

A..

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[QUOTE=morganlilith;207393]you are welcome to your opinion as i am welcome to mine.

About 16 years ago I met a woman on line that was a Reiki Master and also trained by a Shaman that taught me a few things on a daily basis

She told me things about energy and healing but I didnt fully comprehend but I do know she had so much to do with saving my grandson. She was in Brampton Canada at the time and we are in Minnesota. She was my special angel. For that reason alone I do understand skeptics as I was also

I know how long distance healing works and I have "felt" her touch through the internet.

I lost contact with her and not even sure if she is still with us but I wish I could tell her that I now understand. It truly is hard to explain.

Thanks for the reference to the book as I am going to try and get it as I am interested in furthering my education on all of this

You are Blessed

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Hi Frank : I am very interested in frequency healing & have know about it before anyone else had ever heard of it. Could you share please how many times a day you listened, for how long, and what was the total length of your healing program....I sometimes listen to solfeggio, & would like to experiment with healing an issue I have. You can pm me if you wish, so as not to distract this thread. Blessings.

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yes. energy follows intent. or focus, as it's often said around these parts.

if the intent of the dr/practitioner and the belief of the patient/client allowed for healing to happen, healing happened. and healing IS the desired result, regardless of the methods used to get there. at least IMO.

yet people talk about the placebo effect as if it was a bad thing, or somehow invalidates the fact that healing occured.

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Not a bad thing at all. Just calling a spade a spade.

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The Placebo Effect is interesting because even MDs rely on it quite frequently.

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I was not even going to bother making a comment to this thread but I decided to anyway.

Why exactly are people even bothering to respond to Scarab if they find him/her/it untrustworthy, possibly duplicitous, or even baiting? All anyone is doing is adding more fuel to the fire.

What exactly are you looking for Scarab? A magic bullet? The second coming of Jesus of Nazareth?

People get all bothered and excited at the word "healer" and yet anyone can be a healer. What would you call the most beloved Mother Teresa? She was a healer but not by any medical term. She healed through the love and care she gave to every person she came across. Talk about trying to heal the world one person at a time.

What exactly is a healer anyway? Someone who tries to help to reconnect, reconstruct; heal the damaged psyche and physical condition? Or is it someone who only looks at trying to fix the solid construct only and ignore the human spirit? Or maybe it is vice versa.

Don't you think it is rather amusing how the mentality of some people is that Western medicine is the greatest thing since sliced bread and ignore the "alternative", indigenous, and Eastern medicine that was alive and well long before the advent of modern medicine. Without that which came before, how exactly do you arrive at that which is now?

Food for thought no?

ps No I didn't read all of the postings on this thread. I merely skimmed....


Winter Wolf

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Hey Frank

I listened to Solffegio for almost a year and that is the first time it effected me so much.

I wanted to show you which one I was listening to as it was for the heart and when this is the first time I had ever heard it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgMQOAWeVs0

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People don't like their beliefs questioned, or status quo challenged.

That is exactly what scarab does. Me too, sometimes.



I don't think people question themselves enough, or ask the right questions.

Don't mind being wrong, most people say that but don't mean it.

Like making things complex too, it is our nature but a lot of blah blah doesn't solve anything. It is what it is.


What is this now I'm doing? blah blah I'm gonna stop. I think you get my point.

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Just want to cut through some of the bs.

People make claims of magical abilities, other trusting people fall behind.

I say. Magical abilities are fine. If you have them. But don't talk a big game and not follow it up with action.

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Nice post winter wolf :thumb_yello:

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who was talking about 'magical' abilities? i must have missed that.

i'd LOVE to have magical abilities, lol. i certainly don't have any magical powers. a lot of what i do doesn't fit into the dominant paradigm, though.

are you implying that anything that doesn't fit in your chosen paradigm is magic?

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I was wondering the same thing. I think questioning is great but if your mind is closed why bother asking the questions??????????

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If this seems like a logical response, then Scarab is not honestly asking questions. This entire thread is just bait.

:thumbdown:

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Wow. Put the earphones on and turn it up a bit. Amazing.
:thumb_yello:

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The thread's been interesting. No one owns a thread. There have been many people share interesting takes on healing in this thread as well as experiences. When someone is looking for a reaction, or we're expecting to change their minds, just move on, ain't gonna happen. But there are good discussions to be had with the many members in this forum who are not trying to bring others down and rather just share their journey and experiences in the search for truth.

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A forum full of 'healers'. A thread asking them some simple questions.

No answers to the questions (except Anchor).

Nobody willing to actually HEAL someone to put the matter to rest.

Two so-called healers have deleted their claims and run away in shame.

And your conclusion is that I'm dishonest.

Your powers of discernment are lacking.

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There's a difference between someone who can help others heal, who can help others bring out their own healing from within themselves, and a full Christ Being miracle worker.

Should have titled this thread: A Question for fully enlightened Christ Being Miracle Workers ~ Can you instantly heal a full school of sick children?

That would have been a more honest approach to what you are trying to figure out here.

I don't think anyone has claimed to be a fully enlightened Christ Being Miracle Worker that can heal a school full of sick children instantly by the power of thought.

Be more straightforward, and we can save ourselves the trouble of a lot of back and forth.

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I asked if they could walk into a hospital and heal someone. The answers I recieved were a small yes with a big BUT (add disclaimer of choice here).

YET.

They still say they can heal someone long distance with nothing more than a first name.

WHY?

How much more straightforward can I be?

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I don't think anyone has said they can always heal someone from long distance with only a first name, especially not in a way that someone else dictates.

I think they were saying that it can be done, but it won't always be done, and it does depend on a lot of factors, including the receptivity of the recipient, karma, and the will of the infinite.

Definition of a skeptic: A self appointed vigilante for the suppression of curiosity. :)

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Go back and read the thread before you tell me what you THINK they said.

Then please QUOTE the text where their words match your assumptions.

Yes, they did add some hefty disclaimers.

Now go read the 'healing list' thread and tell me where you find those same disclaimers.

I know they're your friends. I know you WANT to believe them. I'm sorry if this thread challenges your reality.

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i am starting to think that when you say 'heal' you are using it in the way i would use 'cure'.

yes, i can walk into a hospital and do healing work with a patient. assuming the patient was willing and the hospital didn't have security drag me out. many hospitals do not allow 'healers'. notice i said 'healing work'. but could i 'cure' them? would their cancer/disease/disability be instantly gone? maybe, maybe not. well, technically i'm not legally allowed to cure anyone. only AMA sanctioned treatments are allowed to 'cure'. but like i said in a previous post, in most instances, healing is a process rather than a spontaneous event.

i used to participate in a large scale (several hundred people participating) healing event at an annual festival i often attend. the healing event included drumming and chanting to 'raise energy', and groups of two practitioners to do hands on energy work with a person with life threatening issues. (for example if there were 20 people requesting healing, there would be 2 'healers' working hands on with each of them). one particular year i worked on a woman in a very intense session. (lots of sweating and lots of crying). the next year at the same festival she approached me and told me that i had worked on her the year before. i wouldn't have recognized her, but she remembered me. she said the reason she had gone to the healing event was because she had an inoperable brain tumor. she'd been told, basically, to go home and get her affairs in order. but she didn't die. her symptoms diminished and then ceased. further testing showed the tumor was gone. did that have anything to do with me? maybe. maybe not. can i prove any of it? nope. i never even knew her name.

i had a massage client with whom i worked once every week or so for a few years. she was diagnosed with a large uterine fibroid, and was scheduled for surgery. we had been doing pretty mainstream massage therapy in our sessions, but i suggested doing some energy work specific to the fibroid. she agreed and so we did a couple of specific sessions in the weeks before her surgery. after the fibroid was removed, the dr sent it for further testing because he thought it 'looked weird'. the report that came back stated that it showed similar cellular structure to what they would have expected had she taken medication that is sometimes used to break down smaller fibroids. they couldn't explain it. she attributed it to the energy work. did i have anything to do with it? i dunno. but she thought so. can i prove it? nope. my client records are confidential.

now, as far as doing healing over a distance, what criteria would you require to prove to you that it is viable? and again, are you talking in terms of 'healing' or of 'curing'? keeping in mind as i said before, that being 'cured' isn't always what the person needs. many times there is much to be gained through the process of healing. and often the process involves a series of growth stages. and if a person dies, it doesn't mean the healing work was a failure. that is part of the AMA paradigm, but not necessarily part of the larger picture.

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Definition of 'heal'

To make better; to revive, recover, or cure; To become better

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/heal

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I can certainly understand the desire to cut through the bs as I am sure there are quite a number of unscrupulous people out there who are out to bilk the masses of money but one can not paintthem all with the same brush either.

Winter Wolf

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i know what the word means. however we all apply slightly different nuances.
you have not clarified whether your personal definition of 'heal' means complete, spontaneous cessation of symptomatology, or a process of recovery which might evolve over time.


and again, what criteria do you require to prove that healing over a distance is viable? personally i don't think there is a way to demonstrate the results you seem to be asking for. there are too many variables involved in any healing process. i don't believe that inability to demonstrate according to a very strict set of rules invalidates the process.

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Now we're down to nuances in the word 'heal'.

I believe heal and cure are synonymous, the dictionary backs me up on this. I use them as synonyms. English is my first language.

I also believe any average English speaking human uses them as synonyms.

This thread is going in circles.

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So now, the whole thing here about healing is BS you say? WOW! If you would only knew. But I already told you, it requires an open heart and an open mind to accept that there's much more then this reality.

If you're just trying to point out that there are sharlatans out there...you're right...but then, this thread should've been re-named.

But you can't stick all other in the same basket and claim that any other healing then the "standard" medicine is BS. And I don't have to prove you anything.

So once again, you're not honest...and this thread is not even worth reading any more.

At the end, I will tell you the storry of a very good friend of mine. She got leikemia 10 years ago...her son was one year old back then.

She went to the hospital, they cheked her...and left her lying in the floor. She thought that would be only temporarily, until they they find a room for her. After few hours and nothing happened, she asked the doctors when she will be given a place and when the therapy will start. To her surprise, they told her that they actually gave her up, she would anyway die until tomorrow and there's no need of any therapy any more.

Now you can imagine her surprise...but she never gave up. She told the doctors that she simply isn't ready to die...and she is still among us :thumb_yello:

So how do you explain this? She healed herself...and she says today, that was the greatest thing that has ever happend in her life...

And now you tell me how she did this? BTW, she doesn't know herself either...

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Funny. I was thinking the same thing about the members here.

As for calling me dishonest. I repeat:

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only anchor answered any of your questions?


it was my intent to answer them. i'm sorry if none of my answers came across that way. it was never my intent to argue with you. i was sincere in trying to figure out what answers you were looking for. i assumed your questions were sincere. was i wrong? it's starting to feel like you might have had the agenda others seemed to be accusing you of. i like to give people the benefit of the doubt, though, so i don't immediately assume someone has an ulterior motive.




i suspect a couple of people deleted their comments and left in frustration. i don't see any reason anyone would have felt shame over the specified responses.

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Some people suspect, when others know. The problems arise when people who suspect think they know.

Sort of like this :)

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scarab, it becomes clear to me that you and i are simply not living in the same paradigm. i am more and more confused by your responses to my questions. i really don't think this is going to go anywhere.

therefore, i respectfully withdraw from the conversation.




however, i'm completely open to discussions of healing topics. anyone interested in sincere discourse feel free to give me a holler. :original:

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Would it make you happy if I told you I sufficiently healed my sister enough to get her off the ventilator when she was in the ICU hooked up to all sorts of tubes? Her lungs had partially collapsed.

In actuallity I gave her enough energy to help her out but in the end she still needed to get off it herself.

I wouldn't call myself some sort of miracle worker though. I leave that province to someon like Jesus.

Winter Wolf

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I really do not think anyone can answer your questions as far as you are concern. You already have your mind set that we are all a bunch of phoneys people that only "think" we can heal

I already told you that it is nothing special and we all can do it if we "believe" that we can. what ever name you want to put on it

Tango healed my grandson overnight when he was so very sick with the wonderful "invented flue" that is going around. He made a believer out of me.
In fact it was those very actions that made me start reading up on healing further and I know what it did for me.

I take offense that you mock him and will take myself out of the conversation also.

If you would just sit back and think about all of what has been written
here you might actually learn something.

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Your story changed again.

And, again. If 'Tango' has these powers of healing, how come he doesn't walk into a hospital and help those in need?