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ORBS?!!?

Dude, that is dust on the lens.... come on now.

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I think James Gilliland might disagree with you.

http://www.eceti.org/Eceti.ORBPhotographs.html

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I prefer to concentrate on evidence that will get 9/11 re-opened. As I showed in my previous posts, space based weapons evidence is poor and the main pushers of this theory have no idea what they are talking about and their evidence is not empirical and they interpret it to fit their theories. Its bad science.
Jones does not control the truth movement nor is he trying to. There is no evidence of this. He is just a sensationalist is all.

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Simple sensationalist or not, he has undoubtedly contaminated the field, which is the word I should have used instead of 'control'.

I wouldn't go that far.

The people who argue the no-plane theory have excellent points.

I noticed John Lear and my friend Zorgon have already discussed this with you quite a while ago, and provided monumental evidence: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3863

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I think that 9-11 truth advocates should focus on continuing the initiative of spreading the word that the official story can't be true and that it is clear that the attacks were staged to further the New World Order agenda, and not engage in a debate about what technology was used. It doesn't matter!!

What matters is that we the people not be fooled by a false flag attack, and that we reject all that has come out of that false flag attack. I'm talking about the Patriot Act, etc., etc., etc.

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The process of waking people up is more important.

I agree.

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I would love it if we here on Avalon could focus like a laser beam on that objective.

There are guests reading this forum. Some of these guests may never have researched 9-11 truth.

With our posts, we can reach out. :thumb_yello: And we can do that with what we avoid saying as much as by what we say.

9-11 truth is so important! I think it behooves us all to try to help spread the word the best that each of us knows how to do...

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I found this video last night, not knowing that it was under the subject of 9/11. One guy plays several different characters, and if you can overlook the multi personality issue, he's got some great information. He even ties AIG, the former head of the Federal Reserve Bank, the Mena Arkansas drug deals, etc. to 9/11. Very interesting material.

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Sorry, the link didn't work. Go to google videos and search for Who Killed John O'Neill.

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Here's another try. Hopefully this is the one you're talking about:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ohn+o%27neill#

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Thank you so much Seashore! Yes, that's the one. I'm not good with posting links.

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You're welcome!

Thanks for your participation.

I've been having trouble with links lately, too. I've noticed that strange things happen to my links later. If I go back to a previous post the link has changed. It's weird.

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Not THAT again!

Unfortunatly, John ran away when the going got tough. (read the whole thread if you want the whole strory) He also did EXACTLY the same thing on the open minds forums. When faced with difficult questions, he refuses to admit he does not have evidence to back up what he says. Indeed, I was the reason john left Avalon. see this post....
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4&postcount=54
But lets say no more about it. I dont want to rake up old graves and its obvious to all who read the thread which of us couldnt take the heat.

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How? You cant just say something like that and not qualify it.

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Please be clearer in your thinking. I was talking about spaced based weapons. Not "no planes." One thing at a time.

What do you think of the interviews I posted? It should be clear to all that take the time to watch it that Judy is talking herself in circles and has no real understanding of physics and cannot stick to one point or indeed, answer a simple question without constructing straw man arguments.

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But it does matter. The devil is in the details. People want to know how it was done.
You wont convince anyone by just saying, "it was a false flag but you dont need to bother to look at the evidence, just take me at my word". You must present evidence. No plane theory and space based weapons theory can be refuted and are not provable 100%. What we DO have however is incontrivertibale evidence of explosives which we did not have 3 years ago. This has not been debunked and indeed is only getting stronger.
Show them the peer reviewed papers.

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/co...001/7TOCPJ.SGM

Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials
http://www.springerlink.com/content/f67q6272583h86n4/

This is hard science and is the best chance of convincing a skeptical mind.

Also read these 2 amazing articles on how explosives could have easily been put into the trade centers and how Nano-thermite related companies had office space in the towers...

Demolition access to the World Trade Center towers: Part one - Tenants
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90713033854249

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...90813150853871
Demolition Access To The WTC Towers: Part Two - Security

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Hei,

I guess we in a phase called "ridiculed" still. Thats the hard price you have to
pay when you say anything against official "truth".

Think about it, how many people know that both world wars were started as false flag operations?
I mean all this is admit by our governments and are no more secrets and still there is a huge denial around it.

And list goes on...Vietnam war, uss liberty incidence in -67, bomb attack in 1986 in berlin that caused USA bombard to Libya, Irak, Afganistan.....

Start a war is very difficult without good reason because you have to get people behind you.
I would be extreamly suprised if any war would start without false flag operation.

Anyway, we have in Finland good truth movment what comes to terrorism
that governments practice.
You can visit the web- site and found lot of articles in English if your
Finnish isnt that good...

http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/

Piissiä ja rakkautta
KF:wub2:

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Of course not.

It just seems to me that the anomalies in the official story should be the focus rather than the theories of what the actual event was that took place.

I believe that the anomalies alone are enough for the vast majority of people. The only problem is that many people have not yet taken the time to consider them, or they have not yet been able to face the horror of it all.

Most people are not stimulated by a scientific puzzle to be solved.

Included in the box of a DVD that I purchased there was a card entitled "The Independent Thinker's 9/11 FACT SHEET." It says on the back of it "Order postcards at www.911WeKnow.com.

I'm just going to type this list:

1. No steel-framed building before or since 9/11 has ever collapsed due to fire.
2. No official agency (FAA, FBI, or the airlines) has ever released a list of the 9/11 passengers. But within hours, the FBI released a list of the alleged hijackers.
3. On September 11th, 2001 the FAA successfully grounded all aircraft - an unprecedented operation. Yet it could not successfully scramble any jet fighters that day - a normal procedure occurring over 100 times a year.
4. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper and part of the World Trade Center complex, was not struck by a plane but collapsed in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 PM on September 11th, in the exact manner of a controlled demolition.
5. There was no visible airplane debris where Flight 93 supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania - only a smoking hole in the ground, much like a bomb crater.
6. Office fires burn at low temperatures of 600-800 dF. Steel melts at 2750 dF. Jet fuel is an ordinary hydrocarbon; its maximal burning temperature is 1200 dF in open air. Neither jet fuel not the burning contents of the buildings could have caused the towers' steel structure to buckle or fail.
7. Tests have shown that cell-phone calls cannot be made at altitudes over 4000 to 8000 feet, as cell towers are located on the ground. Commercial airlines fly at 30,000 feet and above. No passenger could have successfully placed a call for help by cell phone from an airborne plane on 9/11, as reported.
8. 9/11 was immediately declared an "act of war" by President Bush. The rubble from Ground Zero was carted away and the steel sold off without examination.
9. Enormous profits were made by insiders on plummeting stock prices of the two airlines involved in 9/11 - American and United. Federal law protects their identities.
10. Accepting victims' compensation barred 9/11 families from further discovery through litigation.

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Great post Seashore. I agree.

I do not want to be like the police investigators that think they have solved a case and put the blinders on and fail to look at all other possibilities. Many innocent people have gone to jail because of this.

I believe that the above info has done a good job at waking up millions.

Btw I don't think AJ is a disinfo agent. He may not always be right, but I think he is doing a good job. Sometimes he gets a little too passionate, but he has brought a lot to light.


:thumb_yello:

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You know, he gets on my nerves sometimes. His voice can be irritating as hell. He interrupts people and he loses his temper. But I love the man. I am indebted to him. I don't know where we would be without him.

God bless Alex Jones. :wub2:

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911 ? Fugetaboutit!

1. The more evidence you provide, the better the perps like it.
The instant you talk 911 to the avg citizen, they get that 1000-mile stare, and fall asleep.

2. No politician will touch it because:
a) They already know it's an inside job, and want their kids to keep breathing.
b) They know there is nothing about the subject which will get them re-elected.

The "evidence" has been there since day 1:



UAL 175, still on the Flight Explorer screen approx 45min to 1 hr after
it supposedly went down. (Fligh Explorer's lag time is 30 min. max)

3. Gather up all your "evidence".... now, who do you take it to, who hasn't seen it already?
No one cares. Or... No one will risk their rice bowl over trying to get it seen.

4. The minimum time to assemble a valid court case, based on solid evidence is probably 10 years.
By then, everyone you are after will be dead. The government doesn't go in for self-flagellation over past events. If you don't believe me, then try this account of events during Sen. Kerry's POW/MIA hearings, when presented with hard evidence we had abandoned soldiers:
If you want to give a good try, simply email the link for that piece of film to
everyone who "should care" and see how many answers you get.

Want to get the whole nation really upset over this? Simple.
Have a press conference about it interrupt the regular broadcast of "Dancing With The Stars".

I am reminded of a line from a 1980-ish issue of High Times magasine:
"Who could tell? Who'd care if we could tell? And who would we tell if we could, or care to?"

Fred

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Darn... I think I done killed a thread!

There are other examples, but the plain fact is,

Government is just too darn busy running us over a cliff to take the time to stop and let anyone question it.

You don't change this by "wailing at the wall", as in so doing you acknowledge their control over the situation. You fix it by swapping out the people there for plain ol' humans.

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My main concern is the general populace, and whether or not people understand that the "war on terror" which commenced because of the attacks on 9-11, is phony and the Patriot Act not only should not be extended, it should be rescinded along with all the other measures which have taken away our civil liberties, upon which this country was founded.

We the people have to wise up.

Also, people should not accuse 9-11 truth advocates with being paid disinfo agents if they hold an opposing view of what technology was used to pull off the attacks!

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Well said Seashore.

Frankly, I don't think its as much critically important to figure out how exactly an attack was orchestrated when we know the official story is a lie, bottom line.

The more important question should be whodunit and why.

My opinion as to whom was expressed only a few times, as not to generalize. Ultimately it was an extremist cabal in high places that wanted the change-effect directly subsequent to 9/11. The change being; America (the world's foremost military superpower) become more supportive of war, occupation of specific regions in the middle east, all to fulfill some lunatic religious prophecy and a holy war.

The reason I believe there was an occult involved is to do with the obvious and blatant choice of date to carry out these attacks, the symbolical 'engraving' effect it had on us all. The "twin towers", the "pentagon" -- there is an obvious occult planning there.

Peace

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I'm so focused on stopping tyranny in the United States, I did not mention preemptive wars abroad.

Yes, we need to focus on the actual criminals that we're dealing with and what it is they're trying to accomplish.

It's that truth that we must establish for ourselves - the people - so that we can stop cooperating with the lie.

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Flight 77 Cockpit Door Never Opened During 9/11 "Hijack"


http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com...92999/flt77fdr

:lightsabre:

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Sometimes I feel that people can't look at information. They just faze out. They're numb. They don't have time. They don't have the inclination.

People need to make time. Change their approach. Look in the mirror. :thumb_yello:

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its so plane and simple wht 9-11 was, i find it strange people still dont get it?! even now! when theres so much on the subject!

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??

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Spiralmind,

What is your question?

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Great thread, JudgeMental - missed that one. Photos are actually kind of funny, especially Flight 93 crash site. Has everything (evidence) been destroyed? Enron docs, the works?

Things seem to be at a bit of a stalemate here. At what point can it move from the doldrums. Wee bit of ennui...

What happened to the stock market tracks afterward? NoFBIbody interested in chasing that one down at the time? I agree with you seashore, who cares if it was zipped metal, thermite - but. Holographic and vaporizing technology probably needs to get out to the public first. Otherwise, it's too much to conceptualize. For people 'inside' they're already ahead of the curve and think the public is just idiotic - not true IMO.

No matter what, the 9/11 whistle blowers are not pouring out the door on this, just yet. The US government seems to have a 'This is our story and we're sticking to it' kind of mettle.

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I've just been watching today's PrisonPlanet.tv archive. Alex had as a guest Jesse Ventura's son Tyrel. Tyrel talked about the show on 9-11 being his favorite episode of Conspiracy Theory.

I am encouraged that 9-11 truth has gone mainstream with this show.

This is very good news.

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Here is the description that goes with this YouTube video:

"March 12, 2010 — We continue our coverage of the latest case of censorship in American media. Jesse Venturas article on the events of September 11th (9/11) was banned by the news website The Huffington Post. Jesse Venturas article was titled What really happened on September 11th?"