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enemyofNWO 11-23-2009 10:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni (Post 190170)
Seahore/MN/Jacqui-

I'm not active on the other forum- I read it on occasion but do check out the Clay and Shawns info on there- the diamond people (don't know what else to call them) supposed come from a lower vibrational level.....it was interesting to read. Forum initials OM.

Thanks for understanding- difficult to talk about this aspect without getting upset.

When I worked with late John Mack we went back to the time I was in mother's womb and it was discovered I was being abducted even back then/DNA tampered with. I have no idea how this was done or what exactly was done.

I would like full disclosure on all of the related MKULTRA (for lack of better term if that is indeed the true term) projects so that we who have been used can come to a better understanding (maybe that's too hopeful) of what went on. And the implants we have been implanted with taken out under best medical supervision etc;


Jacqui- I had a eye headache that lasted over a week after I emailed you- I wasn't sure if it was a coincidence. I'll email you again as I enjoyed conversing with you.

MN- I don't wish to protect them but I think if you understood more of my background you might understand. Also my adopted mother has a handler, this handler was my father's mistress and is my mother's best friend and is part of this whole mess. She is a key Illuminati figure- I have already said too much but she knows I know. And she is alive and ticking at almost 85 years, looks quite young etc; Once she dies I have no issue outing her name....


Also due to my family and their circle publicity would draw attention, everyone I grew up around was/is Illuminati- this covers political figures, major media, major corporations, royalty, key religious figures, etc;

So I can't just come out in the open and tell my story . Bill and Kerry do know it as I have told them face to face and without going into too many details Kerry even worked for my late father.


Eleni ,
This is off topic but my wife has a similar story . Illuminati families , adoption , stepmother an asset of the secret police and lover of a powerful politician .

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/fee...25-australia-0

Also I just finished writing a book about it it is called : " ESCAPE FROM AUSTRALIA a gangstalking primer "

Antonia 11-23-2009 10:43 AM

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Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….
Humans have eaten each other throughout history in various cultures… The Maori’s in New Zealand ate in to extinction the other tribe that lived there once… In Papa New Guinea, they were eating their enemies up until a few years ago…Most customs of cannibalism believed that by consuming some one else you derived power from them just like reptilians eating our children.
There is a small island on the south Pacific, can’t remember the name, my brother visited last year (near New Guinea) were they ate the school teacher not so long ago as he was sexually molesting the children but they believed the needed to execute him for this but they ate his flesh as they believed they would gain his knowledge, that he had because he had been a highly learned man as well as a paedophile…
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker defenceless living beings??
Even the Elohiem, in the Genesis after making the heavens and earth and man, said “And I give you dominion (In Hebrew it means guardianship or Stewardship) over all the animals on the land and the beasts in the sea and all that crawl and walk on four legs and …We give you all the plants and seed bearing trees and seed bearing fruits AS FOR YOUR MEAT..” So even the Annunaki Elohiem at this point were against eating flesh, so it seams… Many researchers believe the original Elohiem to be reptilian and female
It looks like the dark manipulation of matter through black magic crept in much later and so did the renegade reptilian faction who took over and drank blood and demanded blood sacrifice in the temples etc….
Humans and reptilians exploit less advanced spices for profit, power, consumption and many other nefarious reasons… But thankfully the majority of humans do not approve of this practise in theory, even thought they continue to by their Sunday roasts at the cheapest supermarket… I guess some reptilians would be the same….

Seashore 11-23-2009 11:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by enemyofNWO (Post 190567)
Eleni ,
This is off topic but my wife has a similar story . Illuminati families , adoption , stepmother an asset of the secret police and lover of a powerful politician .

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/fee...25-australia-0

Also I just finished writing a book about it it is called : " ESCAPE FROM AUSTRALIA a gangstalking primer "

I thought this post was important so I started the thread "The Tricks 'Democracies' Use to Hide Corruption & High Level Crimes."

Seashore 11-23-2009 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonia (Post 190575)
Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….

Antonia,

Thank you. This is one powerful post. :wub2:

Lionhawk 11-23-2009 12:27 PM

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Also to clarify what I use to relish in as far as ideas, that has passed. Unified is very correct in her posting as to how this works. It's when we react that gets us into trouble. To operate with a resonate frequency instead of a frequency we would judge within ourselves as higher or lower is the key to getting things done the way we should be getting it done.

NicholaQuinn 11-23-2009 12:36 PM

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I think Kerry and Bill are providing us with some brilliant information. The Pickering brothers interview is just one example of this.
I had never heard of these two until I found them both on Project Camelot.
I found there audio interview fascinating and I will definatley be looking forward to hearing more of them.
Kerry and Bill keep up the good work.x:thumb_yello:

burgundia 11-23-2009 01:36 PM

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Thank you Antonia for your post!!!!!!!!!! You should post it on all threads. I am tired of humans complaining how they are treated by other species, tortured or eaten. We do the most despicable things to other creatures on this planet. So stop accusing others until you clean up your own act.

enemyofNWO 11-23-2009 03:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonia (Post 190575)
Reptilians and humans are exactly the same….
Humans have eaten each other throughout history in various cultures… The Maori’s in New Zealand ate in to extinction the other tribe that lived there once… In Papa New Guinea, they were eating their enemies up until a few years ago…Most customs of cannibalism believed that by consuming some one else you derived power from them just like reptilians eating our children.
There is a small island on the south Pacific, can’t remember the name, my brother visited last year (near New Guinea) were they ate the school teacher not so long ago as he was sexually molesting the children but they believed the needed to execute him for this but they ate his flesh as they believed they would gain his knowledge, that he had because he had been a highly learned man as well as a paedophile…
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker defenceless living beings??
Even the Elohiem, in the Genesis after making the heavens and earth and man, said “And I give you dominion (In Hebrew it means guardianship or Stewardship) over all the animals on the land and the beasts in the sea and all that crawl and walk on four legs and …We give you all the plants and seed bearing trees and seed bearing fruits AS FOR YOUR MEAT..” So even the Annunaki Elohiem at this point were against eating flesh, so it seams… Many researchers believe the original Elohiem to be reptilian and female
It looks like the dark manipulation of matter through black magic crept in much later and so did the renegade reptilian faction who took over and drank blood and demanded blood sacrifice in the temples etc….
Humans and reptilians exploit less advanced spices for profit, power, consumption and many other nefarious reasons… But thankfully the majority of humans do not approve of this practise in theory, even thought they continue to by their Sunday roasts at the cheapest supermarket… I guess some reptilians would be the same….

The above post by Antonia is very appropriate and timely . We human have an inflated opinion of our own species . When I hear by some whistle blowers that we humans are special it makes me laugh . Yes special feeding lot , special living containers full of vitamins, hormones and other biologically produced compounds that enhance the senses and capabilities of Alien visitors . I can imagine that we are prized as human guinea pigs for genetic experimentation , cross breeding with other species for the final goal of achieving a more advanced form .
The funny part is that if we really think that we are so special respect to other species that share this planet with us , how come we are so cruel to members of our own species that are of different religion , race , education or sexual inclinations ?
How come we tolerate the fact that thousands of children are victims every day of famine and preventable diseases . 2 billion people live with less that $2 a day . Is this a civilization worth fighting for ?
Are we as a species worth worrying about it ?

Jacqui D 11-23-2009 03:30 PM

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Thank you Antonia, this is exactly how i feel, you have said it how i could not.




Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.
Humans as well as reptilians are also light workers, christed beings, healers, and highly evolved spiritual manipulators of matter and the matrix…

Why do we believe it is OK to mass breed, cows, pigs, sheep and hens, in terrible cramped, light free, drugged up conditions and then line them up in Abattoirs were they see all the animals in front of them being slaughtered so they die in fear. Many only stunned and not dead when hacked up for meat consumption?
Why do we allow Hal Al meat? Here the animals are strung up and their throats cut and they bleed to death in pain and fear?
How can we allow the pig meat industry keep sows in Steele crates were they cant turn round or move, then impregnate them artificially, allow then to remain in these crates though out their pregnancy and then give birth still unable to move… they are kept like this for moths and months on end???
Why do we separate baby bulls from their mothers at two weeks old and ship them off to veal crates were that too are attached to a bar , in a crate were they can’t sit down or turn round so that their muscles don’t harden and force feed them milk down a hose pipe… they are kept alive lie this for a few moths before being slaughtered…So our vealis nice and tender? Never mind the pain and torturous life, the end is a blessing , the trauma for them and their mother after being pulled away from each other is noted scientifically as immensely cruel. Cows and pigs like humans produce oxetocin (The bonding chemical and feel emotional stress and grieve as well as feel deep attachment… How can we delight in Foi grass pate, were geese are force fed untilthier liver lituraly explode whilethey are still alive naturely they die in agony…and we get that great yelloe bile flaver in the delacacy pate? How de we allow Japamsese trawlers to catch baby sharks and cut their tails and fins off for shark fin soupe then throw them back in to the sea alive were they die slowely at the bottom of the sea?? How this is possible in a supposed civilised society??
Then all those horrendous video’s on Youtube of thousands of Dogs and cats being skinned alive in China for their fur… you can see totally skinned dogs still alive on the floor, taking up to fifteen minutes to die after being skinned??? Who are we as a collective who commits such atrocities on weaker
defenceless living beings??

Seashore 11-23-2009 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonia (Post 190575)
Humans as well as reptilians engage in sick black magic ceremonies which deal with the negative controlling side of manipulation of matter and the matrix.

Can someone recommend to me a source that explains how this is accomplished? Can it be called technology?

mntruthseeker 11-23-2009 06:02 PM

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United Serenity............thank you very much for your wonderful insight

Antonia ..................... thank you for helping me get over this terrible sadness that has been with me since with all said on this thread. Your words were powerful and needed during this time. I knew in my heart that there were humans doing this but that thought was buried with the idea IMO they were not real human beings. How naive of me to thing that.

Love and Blessings to all of you

Carol 11-23-2009 06:15 PM

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My husband, who has a very good BS meter, listened and walked away disgusted saying Clay and Shawn Pickering were lying. I too am very suspecious of what they had to share as it is not consistent with other reports and who is to say that their source is not a disinfo agent just out there to create more confusion among the general pop.:thumbdown:

eleni 11-23-2009 06:29 PM

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I don't feel Shawn and Clay are lying- rather Source A could be feeding them disinfo and now the fringe public are eating it up......even the forum members over there are having an issue.

Enemy of NWO- thank you for sharing your wife's story.Very interesting.

If I were a human eating reptilian, I would want to make sure my source of meat was pure and free from drugs, pollutants, etc; people of planet earth don't fit that criteria. Don't people think they would be discerning? As to eating earth's children because they are more pure- that is also untrue because average newborn is born with hundreds of contaminents. Something to think about.

I would guess they have pure farms out there (somewhere) where the atmosphere and feed given suit their needs.
This is all just a guess or maybe they are as stupid as the average earth human who doesn't care what chemicals go in their body?


I also don't believe in reptoids or human Illuminati members that shapeshift (they only wish they could). People give them more esoteric power than they deserve.

Seashore 11-23-2009 06:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol (Post 190709)
I too am very suspecious of what they had to share as it is not consistent with other reports...

There's a first time for everything...

Jacqui D 11-23-2009 06:50 PM

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These two guys sounded legit to me but as Eleni said their source may be the one feeding dis info.
I have been trying to find the post on The watchers link but because it was pulled i feel the information i was looking for may have been in these postings, basically what barry king was saying and warning was "look out for further whistleblowers coming out of the woodwork in the near future!" they were not the exact words so please do not quote me but he was saying that this will be something happening!
Are clay and shawn dis info's i do get the feeling they are telling the truth as far as the information is given to them.



Lionhawk 11-24-2009 01:40 AM

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It was also a long interview and I thought it was well done. However it really didn't do a thing except get me thinking to myself that I got nothing. I am sure Kerry and Bill felt the same way. I bet you they will change their strategy on that for the next one.

Antonia 11-24-2009 02:47 AM

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Hi Seashore...you wanted some one to explain how humans like reptilians use black magic ritual to manipulate mater and the matrix... well from Montauk and Dulce (high tech) to Illumiati child sacrifice rtuals to Vodoo ...

Here's an excepert from Human rights country of origin report for an Asylem case I'm working with.... its from 2009...
This stuff happens in many countries on the African continent...and is openly talked about... In countries like the UK or the USA it's all very hush hush and deep under ground... and parctised by factions of the elite... I'm not trying to pick on Nigeria here.. it's just that the report just happens to be about Nigeria as I am dealing with a wonderful, brave, wise and compasionate beyond beliefe indeviual. who is Nigerian and represents all that is inspirational of her natal people and culture and who happens to be seeking asylem here in Irelandd for other reasons..(not on grounds of Vodoo) but this was in the long detailed human rights report, so I'm using it as an example..



TRADITIONAL RELIGIONS AND RITUAL KILLINGS

19.11 The Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board (IRB) Research Directorate published a response to a country of origin information request, dated 22 July 2005, about the prevalence of ritual murder and human sacrifice and reaction by government authorities. An associate professor and chair of the Department of Anthropology at Franklin and Marshall College (Pennsylvania, USA) was consulted. The professor stated:

“ ‘Ritual murder’ is actually a legal category, a holdover from the British colonial days that can be prosecuted under Nigerian law. It refers to the killing of human beings for ritual purposes (one of which might be characterized as human sacrifice)…ritual murder covers all delicts [offences] that relate to the murder of people and the use of human parts for any magical purpose, whereas in sacrifice the killing of a person to mollify deities is the point. A sacrifice seems more central to religious practice and even more dignified in some sense than what ‘ritual murder’ is meant to cover.” [38c]

The professor also added that anyone is a potential victim of ritual killing, although the old are considered to be of less value than the very young and fertile. [38c]

19.12 Regarding how effective the authorities are in investigating ritual killings, the professor said:

“‘In the past, there have been few arrests - but a lot of splashy press coverage. In the ‘Otokoto saga,’ however, there were some quite important people arrested, several of whom were executed. According to published reports, there have been a few, other cases where arrests have been made as well. But mostly the idea of ritual murder sits there and people fear it, not least because they think the police and courts have been co-opted by the wealthy murderers.’ ” [38c]

19.13 The IRB Research Directorate also consulted a professor at the Africana Studies and Research Centre at Cornell University (USA), who explained that:“Human sacrifices involve the participation of the community in a formalized manner, while ritual murders are individual acts, often performed following consultation or with the participation of a shaman or witch doctor, and are designed to call the favour of the gods onto an individual.” [38c]

19.14 In February 2000, the IRB Research Directorate also consulted a Lagos-based lawyer and director of the Constitutional Rights Project NGO, who explained that: “Ritual murders are not usually associated with any particular group…ritual killings are perpetrated mainly by ‘native doctors’ who have been involved in this since time immemorial, mostly through traditional cultic practices that have nothing to do with modern-day cults…those who perform ritual murders are individuals working for their own profit.” [38c]

19.15 A report by Leo Igwe, published by Earthward, in 2005 added:

“Generally, ritual killing is a common practice in Nigeria. Every year, hundreds of Nigerians lose their lives to ritual murders, also known as head-hunters. These head hunters [sic] go in search of human parts – head, breast, tongue, sexual organs – at the behest of witchdoctors, juju priests and traditional medicine men who require them for some sacrifices or for the preparation of assorted magical portions [sic]. Recently, there have been several reported cases of individuals who were kidnapped, killed or had their bodies mutilated by ritualists in Nigeria…and now, the question is: why do Nigerians still engage in such bloody, brutal and barbaric acts and atrocities even in this 21st century? For me [Igwe], there are three reasons for that.

“1. Religion: Nigerian is a deeply religious society. Most Nigerians believe in the existence of supernatural beings, and that these transcendental entities can be influenced through ritual acts and sacrifices. Ritual making constitutes part of the people’s traditional religious practice and observance. Nigerians engage in ritual acts to appease the gods, seek supernatural favours or to ward off misfortune. Many do so out of fear of unpleasant spiritual consequences, if they default. So at the root of spiritual killing in Nigeria is religion, theism, supernaturalism and occultism.

“2. Superstition:- Nigeria is a society where most beliefs are still informed by unreason, dogmas, myth making and magical thinking. In Nigeria, belief in ghosts, juju, charms and witchcraft is prevalent and widespread. Nigerians believe that magical portions [sic] prepared with human heads, breasts, tongues, eyes, and sexual organs can enhance one’s political and financial fortunes; that juju, charms and amulets can protect individuals against business failures, sickness and diseases, accidents and spiritual attacks. In fact, ritual-making is perceived as an act of spiritual fortification.

“3. Poverty:- Most often, Nigerians engage [in] killing for money-making purposes. Among Nigerians, there is this popular belief in a special kind of ritual, performed with human blood or body parts that can bring money or wealth, even though such a belief lacks any basis in reason, science or common sense [sic].

“For example, there has never been a single proven instance of any Nigerian who became rich through a money making ritual. And still the belief in ‘ritual wealth’ or ‘blood money’ remain strong among the people, and features prominently in the nation’s media and film industry. Most times, what we hear are stories and speculations founded on ignorance and hearsay. For instance Nigerians who enrich themselves through dubious and questionable means, like the scammers who swindle foreigners, are said to have indulged in money-making rituals using the blood or body parts of their parents, wives, children or other close relations. So driven by ignorance, poverty, desperation, gullibility and irrationalism, Nigerians murder fellow Nigerians for rituals.” [36]

19.16 The Norwegian Landinfo (Norwegian Country of Origin Information Centre) 2006 Fact-Finding Mission Report on Nigeria added further:

“Asylum applications presented by Nigerians [in Norway] regularly contain claims that the applicant fears persecution from persons or groups threatening to use occult powers, or juju [italics in document]. This is the common term in Nigerian English for all religious practices with some sort of basis in traditional African animist religion. Such practices are common among the substantial minority of Nigerians who are neither Christians nor Muslims, but they also influence the religious life and outlook of many Christians and Muslim Nigerians, whose religious practice must be categorised as syncretistic. Even more importantly, many Christian and Muslim Nigerians who themselves will not get involved in rites and rituals associated with traditional religion, may still regard occult forces as very real influences to be reckoned with in their lives. Thus the fear of being a victim of other people’s (attempted) manipulation of supernatural forces is very widespread. As Pastor Dayo Olutayo put it, ‘many are suspicious that people are after them, and think they don’t succeed because of other people’s evil intentions’. Pastor Olutayo also stressed that it is not unusual that people blame other people’s use of witchcraft as an excuse for not dealing with their own problems.” [40b] (p18)


Naturely the legal document says that nothing has been proved to work.... But they (tribal people and rich western illumanati alike) would not be doing it for thousands of years if didn't work. As does light work , positive prayer and healing also work. on the same principles. The matrix is neutral and can be manipulated for both positive and negitive just like any othe rform of energy.... I hope I make sense to you...

eleni 11-24-2009 03:41 AM

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FWIW- Bruce Maccabee has met Source A and verified his identity.

Seashore 11-24-2009 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonia (Post 190827)
Naturely the legal document says that nothing has been proved to work.... But they (tribal people and rich western illumanati alike) would not be doing it for thousands of years if didn't work. As does light work , positive prayer and healing also work. on the same principles. The matrix is neutral and can be manipulated for both positive and negitive just like any othe rform of energy.... I hope I make sense to you...

This document is describing superstitition, right?

I have gotten the impression lately from programs that I've listened to, that there is magic that is practiced that encompasses some kind of technology that secret societies know about but we don't.

I don't know...

Karen 11-24-2009 05:39 AM

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I please to find this thread verify the truth of the Alex Collier story.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15860

TRANCOSO 11-24-2009 03:18 PM

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Last night I listened to the interview & I really, really enjoyed what I was hearing.

Most important quote: "There will be disclosure, when contact is imminent."

TempestGarden 11-24-2009 07:53 PM

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My 2 cents on this topic since a few of you mentioned them in this discussion. The beings that people refer to as the "praying mantis"-like entities are known as the Aethien as I understand it. More info here in the Keylontic Dictionary online...

Quote:

Aethien:

The Aethien are not organic to your three-dimensional frequency band (see: HU) nor they are from parallel or adjacent Earths. Rather they originate from galaxies existing within the dimensions of adjacent Earths, which places them in our interdimensional/extraterrestrial category.

They represent a species superior to that of the Zeta, and come as emissaries of peace and growth toward brotherhood of all species.

Often appearing with the Zeta are the tall skeletal-like beings that upon closer inspection resemble in structure your earthly preying mantis insect.

These being are usually whitish or golden in color and can stand up to twelve feet tall.

The Aethien always work as teachers.


Antonia 11-25-2009 03:34 AM

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Hi again Seashore.... The technoligy you talk about , like the 'superstition' end or the black magic ritualistic stuff are interconnected... I think it goes somthing like this....
It is all based on vibration. Mater is vibrating atoms and the speed at which they vibrate, gives form and the apperance of different structures of these groups of vibrating atoms.. Consciousness is what decides the speed of the vibration..
Vibrtaing waves emited from our DNA caused by emotion and the subsequent release of hormones connected to that emotion, also effect the attoms around that wave and attract similer vibrations and waves...

So energy and vibration can have a knock on effect or a magnetic effect...
with technolagy they can create waves and vibrations and manipulate atoms ,light, consciousness, and trancend some dimentions and attract other similer vibrations which influences events and emotions andt thoughts...
If they have supper computers, Muntalk chairs, technical man made stargates and devices that alter the brains waves and down load things in to your sub conscious or direct conscious it is all what some would discribe as magic
putting curses on people and causing bad things to happen is a build up of negitive enrgy or blocked energy, with powerfull mall intent and the knowledge of how use the force, so to speak, it becomes black magic. Or were there is intent to manipulate or harm...


Some people have learned to affect waves abd vibreations at will and certain cerimonies amplify their intent and vibrational output.
Blood is very important in a lot of ritual magic as it is firstly water (Look at the effect the moon alone has on water) and then steeped with DNA, Hormones and all metals and minerals... which are easily influenced by vibration and can act as energy transmittoers and receptors as well as antena's, magnets, interdimentional portals and much more, as well as basic energy based message transferal systems

Whether a person uses technolagy or their own biological and astral capabilities... to manipulate mater,light, vibration, time amd space , to me it's all the same... but this is only my interpritation ,I'm not sure if I've made any sense to you...

Seashore 11-25-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonia (Post 191141)
Hi again Seashore.... The technoligy you talk about , like the 'superstition' end or the black magic ritualistic stuff are interconnected... I think it goes somthing like this....

Antonia,

This is fantastic!! Very helpful. Thank you so much. I think I get it...

Antonia 11-26-2009 10:47 PM

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Great ... Seashore... I still think, if Clay and Shawn are telling the truth and or their source is telling it likw it is... that these beings sound like beings that live on Stars and not planets... They are made of the same stuff as the Sun, like salamaders or sprites...etc..

eleni 11-27-2009 12:20 AM

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My question about these beings is why would they need a spaceship with observation decks???

Dogma 11-27-2009 01:14 PM

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I am half way through the interview the interview right now (which is very informative) but I am struck at how RUDE Kerry is being with these guys!

Its unbelievable. Instead of thanking them for their volunteered work, she is belittling
their research abilities and going on and on at how their info isn't really of any value. Frankly, I am embarrassed for her!

I guess we all have bad days...

Spregovori 11-27-2009 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogma (Post 191801)
but I am struck at how RUDE Kerry is being with these guys

There is nothing rude in how Kerry is performing this interview.

One can either be direct and "confronting" with the same amount or even more respect than someone trying everyone to like him/her - mediocrity.

As I like to say to people: show me your true face and I will respect you more than if you play nice just for me to "like you"

Lionhawk 11-27-2009 02:10 PM

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I also thought that Kerry and Bill did a great job with this interview. I can only imagine what it would be like to sit there and do this interview and not really find out much of anything that is of use to assist us at this time. That interview was at least 3 hours long and it was well done. What I think could be considered rude here is that Kerry and Bill were dragged down a road that lasted almost 4 hours and came up with what exactly? What did we learn? Just that there is another alien agenda out there. What is new about that? So what if the aliens are based in silicon? Aliens come in all kinds of forms. Nothing new there. The only thing I got was that maybe something of value might be forthcoming and that is only a possibility. Do you need to waste 4 hours of tape and everyone's time to establish that? I know that Kerry and Bill have heard so much in terms of possible stories and agendas being put out there and then having to weed the ones that might have some credibility. Sounds like an overwhelming job just to do that. I can appreciate what both of them are trying to do and that is bearing some kind of validation with integrity. That is more important than one's feelings as to how it is being done. There is way more going on here than just emotions. This isn't tell a vision. This is about a real agenda going on here and with a cliff hanger. We should be asking more questions. The agenda isn't very clear here. But there has to be one if these crystalline forms are here. And my flags go up any time I hear about Reptilians. And they're mixed up with this group? Where's the "show me" attitude? This is just another part of the puzzle. Enough said.

Dogma 11-27-2009 03:47 PM

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First of all, OBVIOUSLY good journalism requires being abrasive from time to time. I am not talking about "feelings" I am talking about a certain level of respect. Has she ever treated any of the other interviewees like that when they were vague? Bob Dean? Miriam Delicado? Let me answer that for you, No.

Even the Greer debate, (although slightly unprofessional), was never discourteous in tone.

Secondly, like you said, Lionhawk, everyone only has a piece of the puzzle. There is no one definitive interview on PC. That is all these guys were offering. Take it or leave it. If Kerry didn't find it very informative, then she shouldn't have posted it.


(Bill, however, was asking insightful questions, as usual).

no caste 11-27-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dogma (Post 191831)
First of all, OBVIOUSLY good journalism requires being abrasive from time to time. I am not talking about "feelings" I am talking about a certain level of respect.

I get queasy often, too. I try to accept it as Kerryisms. I try to glean some of the interview content from discussions on this forum, instead of listening to a lot of the interviews.

Also, kind of pressed for time, so 3+ hours is a LONG time!!

no caste 11-27-2009 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonia (Post 191141)
Hi again Seashore.... The technoligy you talk about , like the 'superstition' end or the black magic ritualistic stuff are interconnected... I think it goes somthing like this....
It is all based on vibration. Mater is vibrating atoms and the speed at which they vibrate, gives form and the apperance of different structures of these groups of vibrating atoms.. Consciousness is what decides the speed of the vibration..
Vibrtaing waves emited from our DNA caused by emotion and the subsequent release of hormones connected to that emotion, also effect the attoms around that wave and attract similer vibrations and waves...

So energy and vibration can have a knock on effect or a magnetic effect...
with technolagy they can create waves and vibrations and manipulate atoms ,light, consciousness, and trancend some dimentions and attract other similer vibrations which influences events and emotions andt thoughts...
If they have supper computers, Muntalk chairs, technical man made stargates and devices that alter the brains waves and down load things in to your sub conscious or direct conscious it is all what some would discribe as magic
putting curses on people and causing bad things to happen is a build up of negitive enrgy or blocked energy, with powerfull mall intent and the knowledge of how use the force, so to speak, it becomes black magic. Or were there is intent to manipulate or harm...


Some people have learned to affect waves abd vibreations at will and certain cerimonies amplify their intent and vibrational output.
Blood is very important in a lot of ritual magic as it is firstly water (Look at the effect the moon alone has on water) and then steeped with DNA, Hormones and all metals and minerals... which are easily influenced by vibration and can act as energy transmittoers and receptors as well as antena's, magnets, interdimentional portals and much more, as well as basic energy based message transferal systems

Whether a person uses technolagy or their own biological and astral capabilities... to manipulate mater,light, vibration, time amd space , to me it's all the same... but this is only my interpritation ,I'm not sure if I've made any sense to you...

I think this is a brilliant description, Antonia -. So is the blood sacrifice post. I think people are tuning into these capabilities and feelings (it's what unites us to each other, the blood stories good and bad), which also is why 'vampirism' is hitting mass consciousness in popularity - there is a delicate play of the body's electrical abilities and its mind. There's even a vampire Barbie!

Seashore 11-27-2009 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogma (Post 191801)
I am half way through the interview the interview right now (which is very informative) but I am struck at how RUDE Kerry is being with these guys!

Its unbelievable. Instead of thanking them for their volunteered work, she is belittling
their research abilities and going on and on at how their info isn't really of any value. Frankly, I am embarrassed for her!

I guess we all have bad days...

I think that Kerry has recently improved her journalistic skills in asking pertinent, tough questions and not allowing the interviewee to almost answer the question but not quite.

I think she demonstrated a passion for the truth and a responsible approach to handling second-hand information put forth by sources who are not on the inside themselves.

Gnosis5 11-28-2009 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by eleni (Post 189951)
Is there really any proof of reptilians eating people?

Ha, ha, ha, good question! In one of my hubby's sessions he processed an incident where on another planet he was a reptilian raping and pillaging and occasionally eating the brains of humans as if they were delicious delicacies.

The humans finally managed to subdue him and I'm sure on some planet there is a legend about my sweet hubby the rapacious reptilian and their very own dragon slayer. That's the truth :-)

blessings,
gnosis

Gnosis5 11-28-2009 03:59 AM

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I read your post with great interest. I'm not sure what "esoteric arts" are but have a feeling I did some of that in other lifetimes, sometimes in the negative direction too. It is an understatement to say I still have a long way to go.

Gnosis





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Originally Posted by Unified Serenity (Post 190534)
Defending yourself or attacking the negative forces is not about muscle power, but rather spirit power. Ever wonder why the Catholic church demonized the wise ones, "Witta" commonly now called "witches"? It is a primary lesson of witches to learn how to control their own energy, how to visualize to thus create above and manifest below.

Few are interested in learning the esoteric arts. I have devoted my life to learning them and mastering them. Is one ever a true master? I doubt it, for there is always another area to focus upon and learn. Few can truly meditate, ground, and center themselves to be in a positive detached and unconditionally loving state. For every spiritual truth there is a counterfeit. How do you know what one you are being presented to learn? That is where the gift of discernment and walking in the true light of the creator comes into play. Be assured that the counterfeit path feels great, looks great, and yet has a slightly off energetic taste to it. You won't recognize the poisonous taste if you have not developed the taste of the true path, and yet therein lies a dilemma. Just talking about a "right" path makes most people's flags go up and hear an internal voice saying, "Warning Will Robinson, Warning". I do not discount that internal voice for it is only with much searching, time spent in prayer / meditation / contemplation that one can know the right path. In my experience, it is not a path that says you have to do things one certain way, but more to the point, it is about where that path is heading.

Does this action free the soul? Does this path lead to more openness and spiritual evolution? Does the outcome of what you are doing lead you into darkness and negative energy personally? Only you can know those answers.

I do know that the entities on the negative path cannot stand true higher vibrational energy. They cannot travel into the upper astral realms, and that is where you need to reside spiritually. Yes, we are in 3d bodies, but spiritually we choose where to walk in astral or 3d. 3d is very low vibrational energy. Lower astral is full of negative energy, and if you want to become a true light warrior you have to learn to reside on a higher level and not get sucked via 3d emotions both high or low (happy or sad/fearful), but rather in a contented state of being that does not become attached to the things of this world. That is much more easily said than done. It is something most mystics work years to attain. Often they leave society because it is just to hard to be an active part of this world and not get sucked into 3d living and emotions. Being detached is not about not caring. It is done with the highest level of love for all souls, and seeking truth no matter what one's pre-conceived beliefs are. In that state of being one can respond to situations and circumstances rather than react. The negative entities rely on the fact that mankind does act like animals and react to situations in pre-determined ways. Stop being a programmed 3d animal.

Much love and respect,


Unified Serenity


Gnosis5 11-29-2009 01:13 AM

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Because this is my field of "technology" it always seems a huge outpoint to me that none of these ETs talk about spiritual clearing technologies, or are offering up any emotional healing or spiritual psychotechnologies that would actually help us become a more balanced species which they keep preaching to us. One thing we don't need is another ET religion or cult figure.

THE eXchanger 12-29-2009 11:43 PM

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U.S. military is liaising with extraterrestrial life according to independent sources
December 28, 11:45
Michael Salla, Ph.D.


President Obama and VP Biden with Joint Chiefs of Staff. AP PhotoIndependent sources have claimed an on-going set of face-to-face meetings between U.S. military officials and extraterrestrial life. The sources reveal that senior U.S. Navy officers have played a leading role in an inter-services working group responsible for the meetings, and that different extraterrestrial groups are allegedly involved. One source claims that the contact involves extraterrestrial groups known as Reptilians, and a silicon based life form dubbed ‘the Conformers’. Another source claims that the extraterrestrials are called Ebens from the Zeta Reticuli star system, but known colloquially as the Grays. A third source claims that human looking extraterrestrials representing an association of star nations are liaising with military officials. Two of the sources have been interviewed by this writer who has been aware of their claims for more than a year, and finds them credible. The similarities in these independent reports gives reason to conclude that an ongoing program of secret meetings involving senior military personal from the U.S. Navy and other military services with one or more extraterrestrial civilizations is underway.

One source claiming to have participated in face-to-face meetings is a serving U.S. Navy officer that in February 2008 revealed the existence of a confidential set of meetings at the UN where UFOs and extraterrestrial life were discussed. Known as Source A, the Navy officer claims that he was sanctioned by a working group comprising a number of admirals to disclose the UN talks without revealing his identity. In June 2008, Source A claims he was assigned to another project that involved direct meetings with two groups of extraterrestrials in a covert project where he was sanctioned to board their spacecraft on three different occasions. One group is a Reptilian looking species, and another is a silicon based life form he dubbed the ‘Conformers’.

This author and a number of other researchers have met with and interviewed Source A, and have been able to confirm that he is a serving U.S. Navy officer. Recently, two New York based UFO investigators, Clay and Shawn Pickering, gave a three hour interview concerning Source A’s involvement in a covert project involving face-to-face meetings with extraterrestrial life. They revealed that a covert inter-services working group has attempted to brief President Obama about the extraterrestrial liaison project. Given Source A’s identity and unlikelihood that more senior U.S. Navy officials would sanction a serving officer to openly misinform the general public over extraterrestrial life, there is reason to take his claims of participating in a covert project involving face-to-face meetings very seriously.

An anonymous source associated with the Defense Intelligence Agency recently claimed that military officials on November 12, 2009, met with extraterrestrials called Ebens, from the Zeta Reticula star system, on Akau Atoll in the Johnston Islands. The alleged meeting was part of an ongoing set of diplomatic discussions and exchanges that date several decades. The information was the latest installment related to an alleged classified project called Serpo, a secret exchange program with extraterrestrial visitors from Zeta Reticulum. According to Victor Martinez, who maintains a large email list where he distributes Project Serpo reports released to him by ‘anonymous’:

… the Ebens met on Akau Island with a total of 18 representatives from the U.S., United Nations, Russia, China, the Vatican and certain other guests. U.S. representatives are said to have included five military personnel, two intelligence officers, one linguist and one person representing the Obama administration.

The Johnston Islands are a U.S. territory and lie 750 miles south west of Honolulu. That places the Islands directly under the military authority of Pacific Command that historically has been run by the U.S. Navy. Although the latest Project Serpo release does not identify the service of the five military personnel at the alleged meeting, the choice of Johnston Atoll suggests a leading role for U.S. Navy officials in the latest face-to-face meeting.

The Serpo story raises considerable controversy with many inconsistencies in the claims of the sources revealing the Serpo information. Nevertheless, there are many events revealed in the Serpo story that are very likely based on real events such as President Reagan being secretly briefed at some point about extraterrestrial life. A number of Reagan’s public statements are circumstantial evidence that he did receive such a briefing. An alleged transcript of the briefing was released as part of the Serpo material in November 2007. This author’s assessment is that the Serpo releases mix real events with fiction in an officially sanctioned acclimation program. While the Serpo material requires much discernment given the level of disinformation in it, it is very likely that it accurately reveals the existence of secret military meetings with extraterrestrials, but mixes this with contrived details. The implicit leading role of the U.S. Navy in the alleged Akau meeting is consistent with the revelations of Source A.

The third and final anonymous source has revealed face-to-face meetings between U.S. military officials and human looking representatives of extraterrestrial civilizations. Again officers from the U.S. Navy are described as playing an active role, and are deeply involved in promoting public disclosure of the existence of extraterrestrial life. What distinguishes this alleged set of military meetings with extraterrestrials is that according to the source, the meetings were convened due to distrust over the way a covert international control group initially called “MJ-12” ” (current name unknown), has been managing information and technology concerning extraterrestrial life. The various military representatives were apparently shocked over the extent to which “MJ-12” has deceived them in oversight and management of extraterrestrial affairs.

In conclusion, there is very real dissatisfaction in the U.S. military, especially officers from the Navy, over the way in which extraterrestrial affairs has been secretly run and managed by a covert transnational group initially known as “MJ-12. The dissatisfaction can be traced back to an incident involving a Vice-Admiral serving as the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was denied access to a covert extraterrestrial related project under corporate control. The incident was in June 2008 publicly revealed on Larry King Live by former Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell (see video clip). Since at least 1997, groups of U.S. Navy officers through covert inter-service working groups have been trying to restore military/government oversight over extraterrestrial affairs that has been increasingly privatized in the corporate world.

Aztar 12-30-2009 12:36 AM

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Thought i would add some missing links from that very fine article Susan provided:original:

Three hour interview concerning Source A’s involvement in a covert project involving face-to-face meetings with extraterrestrial life.
http://projectcamelot.org/Clay_and_S...ember_2009.mp3

The dissatisfaction can be traced back to an incident involving a Vice-Admiral serving as the head of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff who was denied access to a covert extraterrestrial related project under corporate control. The incident was in June 2008 publicly revealed on Larry King Live by former Apollo Astronaut Edgar Mitchell (see video clip). =>

golfsierra 01-16-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Seashore (Post 189987)

You're familiar with Duncan Cameron, Al Bielek, and Preston Nichols and their claims? I am very interested in your perspective. For sure, the story is bizarre. I'm interested in what parts you think are untrue.

Bizarre is not the right term for it - it's a blatant lie.

Al Bielek (his full name is Alfred Bielek) was proven to be a liar and hoaxer already in 2003. Wondering, why people still refer to his utter nonsense, maybe because his bedtime stories are popping up time after time.
See http://www.bielek-debunked.com
for a full report about him lying.

Best regards,

Golf Sierra


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