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I like the eye's... P4BLO... You Crack me Up....


Tango

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Lionhawk, I really appreciate your frankness and honesty. Thankyou for sharing your real inner knowing. I like how you have refered to Christ Michael. I have personally been on a knowledge quest but steered by my inner guide. I know what is true and which is false. What you say is true. Truth is subjective of course to the time at which it is given. Here is a link where Christ Michael describes himself and lot that has been going on and is going to happen. There is going to be a second comming and there will be a harvesting of souls. Timing is the issue but the message is clear.

http://2012unlimited.net/Christ_Mich...20arrived.html

Well, my people of Nebadon, in a recent message where I describe myself a bit, I made the statement, "When I say I am ATON in my higher self, I am ATON, indeed." I hoped to see a few questions, and we got some. ATON is called Creator God by some. Christ Michael is certainly Creator God of the Universe of NEBADON. Please put two and two together, my children. ATON and Christ Michael are one and the same. I said I was a Descending Son in that message, and so I AM. My creation was in the Central Universe of Havona. I AM the Father God of the Universe of Nebadon. I am not a fragment of Michael. I AM Michael. I AM the Christ.


there has been a clear intent by the BBB&G's to duplicate the Ascended Masters and use Holigraphic Tools to spread the messages of these false Masters.

I guess the only true way to know truth is to go within as Lionhawk has said. Learn how to do this and share your real experiences with others.

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Let me word this in a more accurate way : there are dark spots in the universe and there are Light spots and in between many shades of grey . These are all different densities of one the flow of creation . The level you choose to dwell into is your own choice for you are the creator of your universe. And the way you adress those things is your choice too . There are many attitudes one can have to respond to things .I believe Love is our soul foundation .. that it is the universal solvent and unifying factor .. Love is the ultimate truth of who we really are as pure souls ...and it that sense Love is all there is . To me a loving and compassionate attitude ranks amongst the highest of our soul's qualities.

Love Always
mudra

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Initiate,
That is the kind of feedback we need around here...not pictures to send obscure messages at best...thank you for that! :wub2:

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It certainly has been challenging around here over the last month or two. The forum sadly seems to have taken a new turn, a new direction, led by those who wish to take it away from its primary focus. Those of us who see what's happening & try to raise the red flag get shot down, with platitudes, pretty pics to offset the harm being done, or told that its all about love & light, or our perceptions are wrong somehow.

The reality is we are being attacked from all angles, & we need to take off the rose-colored glasses and pay attention. If we see an elephant on the road, why do we not trust what our senses are telling us inwardly, why do we want to tell ourselves that its a deer? Are we afraid to face the truth.....the dark side is alive and well & working very hard to confuse, bewilder, & lead you down the wrong path. But if that's ok with you, fine. Please allow others who see things for what they are and are trying to warn you to have their say, without being ridiculed or made fun of......because you are just playing into the wrong hands by doing this.

There are threads & pics & vids showing up now on this forum that once upon a time would not have been tolerated. Pay attention people.

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Great post WW!!!

All that "love pervades everything" comes later....first we have to build a community.

And there has to be shepherds

And apparently they fell asleep and let the wolves in the door

Okay wolves you're here....now what??

Talking with forked tongues isn't going to stray the folks that have been around for a while....so I'm thinking your after the newbies (the lambs)

All the new folks walk in and instead of harmony...they see a bar room brawl.

And there have been some lately.

So what do we do??

ID the fishes and wolves and ask for them to be expelled??

The whole "everyone has a right to be here and have an opinion" is naive and foolish.

If it was really these wolves opinions...Yeah they have a right to them...but it's not..

They like anarchy

So on one side you have the old guard who are not real accepting of the rest because they were the first squatters on this site...

Then you have the anarchists that want nothing better than to throw bunnies ...cursed kitties at everyone.

If I was new...i'd say..To h3ll with this...these folks are nuts!!!!!

So here we stand..

Old guard....the foundation is crumbling..

Anarchist...you can't win

So I ask:


NOW WHAT???

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This pretty much sums it up! Yes people....pay attention :wink2:

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Maybe its just a case of saying what needs to come out at the moment. Judgement is never made at the moment rather after a period of time???? Only take what others say as a guide along the road to your judgement. Not one person can ever be right or say that another is wrong. We live in a multidimensional world. Then maybe judgements only aply in one dimension rather than across the board.

Even if the fish are laying eggs on the forum, just try not to give that thread its time and we will soon see where the river bed lays????

But writing in the instant is essential to a well workig forum. Don't break your balls over something that aint worth it?????

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There were threads here that died "the natural death" because people didn't feel like contributing to the....maybe it is the best method. certainly many problems and disputes can be avoided then....but still the word is MAYBE...

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And what criteria do you propose to use to do that?

Someone disagrees with you, or one of your "friends", so
you call for their removal?

This is the job of a moderator.

I think the moderators here have things well in hand.

They do a good job of allowing freedom of expression and for
a certain of wiggle-room when it comes to off-topic posts.

At the same time, personal attacks and overtly disruptive behaviour are
not tolerated.

I submit that the struggle with our own shadow is the real issue here, not some imagined invasion of NWO dark agents who are out to destroy us. We are doing a pretty good job of that ourselves.

I also think that one of the reasons we are seeing so many off-topic posts
is that there are only so many new developments on a day to day basis.

You can only discuss the same tired topics for so long before they are pretty beat to death. Being human, when our members get bored, what do people do? They create threads and post pictures about cats, Walmart, and Keanu Reeves.

I believe alot of the skirmishes that occur here are due to the fact that some of our members are lonely(standing alone in their knowledge if not physically alone), and are hungry for attention-any attention, they can get from other members-even negative attention.

Yes, we have differences. And everyone has their own reasons for being here.
The Ground Crew are supposed to represent the Forces of Light, correct?

If someone really believes they represent the forces of love and light, they will endeavor to treat someone as they wish to be treated.

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I have nothing against having some decent fun here.....I love laughing....

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I thought an ascended master was one who has died and returned to help.

Is is to personal to say that I was privileged to meet Steven Seagal? He helped me tremendously.

(bells ducks out of the way)

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Oh I know...I'm not the one to judge...hence the sleeping Shepherds comment.

And I know things die out but I have seen a lot of threads take so much life they knit a sweater over silly subjects..

Maybe they meant something to someone

but wasn't this space for

Spirit

and

Knowledge

Shouldn't we write with those 2 words in mind??

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What do you want SG1965? Only right wing everything is terrible posts. Love comes before community otherwise your community is useless.
I don't believe MSM at face value but i'm not gonna believe conspiracists automatically either.
It's only a forum and divergent outlooks are actually good despite the silly 'likeminded' thinkers thing which smacks of elitism.
A sheeple is a sheeple whether they are a MSM sheeple or a conspiracy sheeple.
Lighten up, it's NOT the end of the world.

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[QUOTE=TheObserver;187579]What do you want SG1965? Only right wing everything is terrible posts. Love comes before community otherwise your community is useless.
I don't believe MSM at face value but i'm not gonna believe conspiracists automatically either.
It's only a forum and divergent outlooks are actually good despite the silly 'likeminded' thinkers thing which smacks of elitism.
A sheeple is a sheeple whether they are a MSM sheeple or a conspiracy sheeple.
Lighten up, it's NOT the end of the world.[/QUOTE]

This is hardly a sentiment that contributes to our concerns here, but yet again serves to try to silence those who dare to speak their truth.

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Ok, don't lighten up! But lose the anger, you can be serious without anger and kvetching.

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Who is angry and kvetching? We are simply voicing a concern

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I guess i'm saying the problems in the world don't hinge on whether a forum has a few silly posts, or if 'fishes and wolves' post (which am i?).

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Well... It depends on what the intruder comes with...

I Really... Have a problem with Masters... Fakes... Frauds... One's that Fish...

See... I did Die... I was sent back... I, know what I'm to do. N' Why I'm here.

And, I'm waken them up... Keeping my word... The more I help others the

stronger I get... But, I can't stand when they come in with a BLAST....

" The Earth is going to Crack on Friday, 13 Nov 09..." Bull Hockey Pucks....

Then I step out and say what I need to SAY... Cause I Must.........

I will say I've seen some Real nice members join....

Well, You know the rest....


Trooly,


Tango

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I watch tv, but i don't have cable so i watch stuff i know is stupid during the day on the local NBC outlet then switch to PBS in the evening.

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So I'm sure you understand what I speak of

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Of course. It only takes knowing that the stuff on tv is possibly not as it seems to make you look at it differently and constantly chuckle at the 'news'.

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Puts on moderator hat:

If you have something to say about this dark subject - say it, here or in PM. I'm watching. I'm listening. I'm weary of trying to decode code talk, needle out nuances, and sift through a zillion grains of sand looking for that gold nugget of how people feel about what's going on here. It's every member's forum and this one may come down to a case of the majority.

Putting on member hat:

I am so sensitive to images, that in order to stay here, I had to find the code to turn off these jumping, swirling, and dancing avatars and emoticons in Firefox. Then when I found the vBulletin button to turn off avatars and get them out my field of vision while I read messages I did that too. I miss the beautiful ones, but there are a few I don't miss at all. It was worth it. I no longer have to hang a folded newspaper on the left side of my monitor when reading some threads.

While I'm participating in this forum, I don't want to look at naked women, or even 7/8th naked women. I don't want to look at cats with devilish eyes, or wicked looking old crones. I don't want to look at deviant art or watch sexual performances where a woman sticks her bare foot in a man's mouth and pours an alcohol beverage down her leg.

I would think those who are on THIS forum that want to look at deviant art are in the minority. Forums are interest specific. I'm not going to join a knitting or cooking forum either. So one way or another, voluntarily or otherwise - this deviant art ends now, or I will take my leave of this place.

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The sacred hill
A dakota Lakota world view
By Litle Crow
http://www.honesty.org/fry/The%20Sac...w%20(1999).pdf

There are no supreme beings, no supreme races, there is nothing superior to you
nor are you superior to anything else because everything is sacred, everything
is part of creation. There is no object, thing, act, person, or religion that is better
than any other. No one is more spiritual, more religious, more saved, less saved, more
sinful, less sinful than anyone else. No one can buy God. No one can buy
indulgences or salvation, nor can anyone take retribution or revenge because each of us
is God. We are God according to our need. We just have to be accountable to live
as we believe God would live.
Have you ever wondered why there are fleas? Someone asked me that the other
day and I decided that person didn't have enough to do if they had time to sit
around and wonder why fleas exist. But think about it, if everything is sacred and
we are not to kill indiscriminately, why do we have fleas? They exist to keep
dogs busy so they don't chew the furniture or wear a path in the yard, so they will bite
themselves, chase their tails, scratch and kick, roll in the dirt, jump in the water or do
whatever else it takes to find relief If we watch the dogs, the four legged, we
see ourselves doing exactly the same thing. Fleas might represent an
unwanted relationship and we scratch, kick, and bite trying to get rid of it like a
dog trying to get rid of fleas. Like the fleas, everyone in our lives is there to give us
something to do. If they are sick, down and out, depressed, hungry or sad, it gives
us something to do trying to help them. Otherwise, we might not be doing
anything except sitting around on our butts. By the same token, we are
wherever we are, doing whatever we are doing so someone else will have something
to do. Someone else can love us or hate us. Someone else can love and hate us at the
same time. Someone else can ridicule or hurt us. Someone else can help us. Each
of us is on this earth, part of the puzzle, so that we will have something to do — to
consider helping our relatives and to think about those who will come after us. I do
not know for certain if there is a heaven or hell, but I do know that I don't believe in
them nor am I concerned about them. What I am concerned with is whether or not
I have the faith to do for you what you need me to do, if I can, and to be
accountable for it, to be accountable for the God self that dwells within.
Separation from the concept of God has become the reality of the human condition. We
think of God as separate, outside of ourselves in some other universe or dimension. We
have removed ourselves from the source of all things and, as a consequence, we are
left struggling and blinded. We can see daily examples of our separation from God
in the newspaper accounts of child abuse, rape, murder and other terrible things
that people do to one another. Many of us want to know why things like that
happen and we often hear people wonder how God can let those things occur. We live in
a world of balance and duality so the question is, why wouldn't they happen? Someone
made a decision to do those terrible things and why they do them is irrelevant. The fact
is, they happen. It isn't God that makes or lets them happen. It isn't some outside force that
creates those events. God, Allah, Buddha, has nothing to do with it. A human being
makes the decision to do those things to another human being. It is a matter of choice.
It doesn't matter how badly those people might have been abused in their lives or what
has been done to them, the still have a choice. Ea ch and every one of us has a choice
and that choice isn't predicated on what has happened to us in the past. There are no
excuses, there is no one to blame but ourselves. We, and only we, are responsible and
accountable for the choices we make. We are all accountable for recognizing the God
within each of us and living our lives according.

If we are going to build a community then we have to build it from our God within ..I personnally call it Love ..that sacred space within you that makes you responsible for all that is .
I believe there are times in one's life where raising a hand to another can make all the difference. One person raises his hand to another from the place he is and the views he holds and another one does the same and so on .It does'nt specially take great and serious discussions to do that .All it takes is to be aware of another' s needs and then do what your heart tells you . We can discuss the world at great lengh but what good will that do if we don't care for one another ..if we don't bring some beauty in another's life . I believe these should be the guiding lines .. how much have you really worked from your inner god self everyday so that you can reach and bring light onto the other his god self .
It is a choice one can make that helps one transcend judgement and separation by working towards unity. When we do this we will be strong and the sum total of all those hands we will have raised will lift the world.

Love Always
mudra

Love Always
mudra

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That is exactly the point...where is the beauty brought into another's life from that demonic picture?

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So how about a policy....... Girls... Kar... Brook... Mudra....

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Brook let me acknowledge the fact that this picture had disturbed you and shocked you .
I can concur to this .
However did you discuss it with Pablo to see what that drawing meant to him.
I believe this would be fair and at least bring some understanding.
Viewpoints will change and evolve when mutual understanding takes place.

Love Always
mudra

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:wall: I cannot believe you would ask that...I left a warning not to do it again..that should have been sufficient :wall:
I suppose you would have me believe it came from a warm fuzzy loving spot in his heart?

:nono:

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I will add...that this forum is full of very energetically gifted people, and at least 8 on line have pm'd me to tell me that they saw the exact thing I saw..and were shocked. And that they could not look at it for any length..as it was painful :lightsabre:

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Mudra: It is not only Brook that has been disturbed by "that" pic & others posted by Pablo. In my opinion I do not believe that this forum is the correct place to display this so called "art". As I'm sure you are aware, there are many other forums that will happily let him post there to his hearts content. It is my understanding, when I purchased a membership here, that I would be participating in a forum with spiritually minded people who were working to create a better world, without the evil that currently prevails. It is of concern to me that you seem to be extremely tolerant of evil being presented here, & is affecting people. It certainly is not bringing love & light nor beauty. It is bringing division where once there was none. You might want to re-consider where you stand on things. Respectfully.

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as I live and breathe...thank you :wub2:
Hay Lionhawk...can I put a log on the fire now?

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Brook and Waitingthewings I respect your views.
The forum is'nt mine but if I had a decision to take it
would go along the well being and balance of the community.
I understand some of Pablo's pictures have disturbed more than one
here .
I am not in favour of disturbance as it is my heartfelt desire that
Avalon goes on and has a long life .
Because of this I believe the well being of all prevails here.
If recommendations have to be taken about these specific pictures than it should
be done along those lines.
On the other hand Pablo has a right to explain himself and to make himself understood
if that is possible and if he wants to .

Love Always
mudra

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mudra said, "
Let me word this in a more accurate way : there are dark spots in the universe and there are Light spots and in between many shades of grey . These are all different densities of one the flow of creation . The level you choose to dwell into is your own choice for you are the creator of your universe. And the way you adress those things is your choice too . There are many attitudes one can have to respond to things .I believe Love is our soul foundation .. that it is the universal solvent and unifying factor .. Love is the ultimate truth of who we really are as pure souls ...and it that sense Love is all there is . To me a loving and compassionate attitude ranks amongst the highest of our soul's qualities."




I didn't create this Universe. I reside in it however. As do all of us. Look around. Telling me that I have created my own Universe while I am still in this one doesn't make any sense to me. If you are on this Planet, you are not residing in your own Universe. You may reside in your own little box of reality, but that reality isn't the whole Universe. You dwell in your own reality. Your own little box of it. And there are trillions upon trillions of little boxes in this Universe. You determine the size of the box you're in. That is all you are able to do. Everyone has their own little box called reality.

I can see how you may feel about love being the ultimate truth of who we really are. But what I find is that we are much more than that. What I found was that love is a higher aspect of ourselves as similar to the blood running through our veins. I also found that love comes in several different rays. To say it as the ultimate truth is only your perception of it from your reality and doesn't apply to everyone. If what your reality is being dictated as the ultimate truth then why are we surrounded with all this darkness and abuses of the free will gift? Or maybe it is the way you explain it that just confuses me to no end. Love is an aspect of ourselves. An attribute of "compassion." Compassion being the sum of all the love rays and our divine spark of conscientiousness. The ultimate truth here is that we are consciousness. In our most basic form. The God Spark that says "I am." Everything else comes after that. That waking moment is the ultimate truth of who we really are. What we do after that is another story. So maybe we are talking the same thing here and I am just having a difficult time understanding how you are communicating it because to me this is creating a variety of confusion. Also to act as though love is the only solution to our problems is like a drunk saying I'm just fine. It's what love in action does that is what will solve our problems instead of just stating what love is without action. That is what I see where the new age movement drops the ball. Like you can sweep it under the carpet by just saying it with no action behind it. The end result is we still have all these problems to contend with. Look out your window and take a look for yourself. It still boils down to awareness. That moment in time where that spark says I am and grows from there. In Heaven, they say you feel so much love that you don't want to leave it. Well, I'm not in Heaven yet as I am here. When we get to Heaven then have at it. But until we anchor that here on the Planet, you can't expect me to swallow that as when I look out of my little box, "I see more than dead people." hahahaha I am really trying to understand your take on this Mudra and maybe it is just the way you are communicating it without any foundation is why I am lost here. Using other doctrines to explain it only confuses it further along with what you believe also makes it that much more confusing for me. I'm more interested in what you really know instead of all this outside interference that only diminishes what you are trying to convey. And if you don't really know, that's alright too. At least I will know where I stand.

One last thing here Mudra. FLEAS. The dark side created these little buggers along with other hideous creatures. The Creator didn't create these hideous things. So you lost there once again and your justification as to why they are here really doesn't represent the truth here either. Please explain that so I can wrap my head around that. Fleas were created by the dark so we can watch them in a circus might be a better explanation. But yet, when my Sade gets them it only does one thing for her and that's torture.

Peace

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Okay gloves off...

We became "too understanding...too accepting"

Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself..

Now I am no prude.....If I want to go to a strip bar...I'll pay for that

If I want to grow in spirit...I come here

If I want to learn from scientific minds on the fringe...I come here

If I want religion shoved down my throat...I'll go see father down at my catholic church

The boundaries are wide...but they are there

Karen...you are people just like us....How accepting can you be as a moderator??

You guys probably have little guidance and this is not your fault but neither can it go on.

If we can't make a stand here...how can we make a stand out in the world??

We trust that if we get out of hand a little or get a little heated...you guys do need to step in

But when a member does not contribute to the reason for this place....are they just taking up room??

I'm guilty of one liners....Plenty

but I also take long pauses and think of what I'm going to write

and Ask myself every time

Am I giving knowledge

or

Am I sharing spirituality

how many times have a picked up a golden nuggets from someone posting using those same questions??

We do need shepherds Karen......

Peace

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Having taken art for a number of years and being a painter I've always found Pablo's pictures beautiful and haunting at times. Some of them make me think where I have pause. I've yet to experience anything that he has posted as offensive. What this means is that as members we have different tastes. Karen prefers not to see images. I don't know if there is a way to disable that feature for her however, it is a choice she would like to opt for. I, on the other hand, love the pictures as I often think in images as well so they speak to me directly at a different intuitional level. I would hope that there is room here for all of us.

This however... "Pablo brought the girls in the bar......the nipple pics...then the full frontal fondling herself.." I may have missed. The bold part is where I would be offended.