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Maybe the extraterrestrial hype is a scheme and a scam
cleverly orchestrated by PTB
ufo crafts lights made by scientists
to trump in a future false flag

to trick mankind under NWO

which would not be so bad
if not for chipped and stripped of our rights
and made to worship lucifer

I believe in the supernatural
angels and demons interdimensional

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Latest camelot update:

27 July 2009

• Kerry and I are now in Athens where we have an interview scheduled with Dr Paul LaViolette.

The quantity of high quality video material we have waiting to be edited and/or published is growing rapidly, but we're fully intending to get most of it out this week. Our sincere thanks are due to Dan Bender and Andreas Kalcker who have been helping us enormously with camerawork, lights and editing at a quality level far higher than our usual.

Events yesterday were moving so fast that we omitted to report that we filmed an hour-long conversation with Dr Steven Greer (before last night's incident in the conference auditorium) which might best be described, euphemistically, as an energetic and frank exchange of views.

This is the first time since Project Camelot's foundation in 2006 that we'd ever had the opportunity to talk with Steven Greer, and many may find this very stimulating encounter (another euphemism!) pretty interesting. For us, it was nothing less than fascinating and both Steven Greer and ourselves were able to put on record the divergence in our views and philosophy that constitute two very differing Exopolitical opinions. While we salute Steven Greer's work and personal courage as founder of the Disclosure Project, both views cannot be right.

Meanwhile, at the close of the conference last night, we learned that the Ustream.TV live video feed, provided by Exopolitics Germany, was suddenly cut off when the fracas in the auditorium started. They do not know why this happened.

I (Bill) - with Rob Fleischer, Paula Harris, cameraman Christian Köhlert and a dozen or more other witnesses - were given a demonstration last last night of one the 'Free Energy' devices which had been at the heart of the confusion and conflict.

It wasn't exactly a Free Energy motor, but rather an ingenious modification of a 4-stroke, single cylinder motorcycle engine that enabled it to run on 80% water and 20% gasoline (petroleum). I drank the clear liquid to check that it was water (it was!) - and then poured it in the fuel tank to make up the prescribed 4:1 ratio. After a short amount of priming with regular fuel - which is the way to get it running - it worked perfectly. So perfectly, in fact, that the hotel staff came out to ask us to stop the engine as it was in danger of making too much noise for sleeping guests. We have a short video of this demonstration (with a clear account of how the device works) which we'll certainly make available if the quality is adequate.

• On Saturday Kerry, Henry Deacon and I will be speaking at a one day conference hosted by the Amsterdam Groundcrew, which they have called State of the Planet. We've been asked to announce that this is now sold out.

Our congratulations to them for organizing and filling this event at very short notice. We understand there will be over 200 people there, and we're looking forward to meeting them all. Kerry and I will also be speaking in Poland on 5-6 September, and are open to invitations to speak with other local groups of any size, anywhere in the world, if our expenses can be covered.

--Bill

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Thanks for this link. I am with you . Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm indeed.

This definately sheds a different light on this.


Why can't anything be simple anymore!!!!


:mad3:

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Bingo! You nailed it! You get the gold star for the day! When ego and $$$$ are attached, all common sense is gone and disinfo is easy for some to spread!!

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After reading the latest from Kerry and Bill including their attendance to a demonstration of an engine running on a mx of water and gasoline .
Remembering what Steven Greer has been reported to have said to one of the inventors ( paraphrasing : you will never get anywhere without me !) .
I come to the conclusion that the good doctor might be a gate keeper or a lid on the can of worms wich is "free energy " .
In the past Doctor Greer has done a fantastic job with the Disclosure Project , but his idea that all ET are positive is just rubbish and so his contention that the US government has no interaction with them !
So author William Cooper in "Behold a Pale Horse " was lying ? Dan Burish
work for MJ 12 was a fable ? THe testimony of the Watcher about Programmed lifeforms and the rest is bulldust ?
Something is wrong . I attended the Zurich conference with my wife and
because the two of us know of a big judicial scandal in Australia we have been "gangstalked " openly by the secret services for a long time and we have learned how to recognise spooks .
The Zurich Conference was heavily infiltrated by spooks of many countries
German , Swiss , Dutch and possibly MI5 . I sent a note to Bill about this .We withnesses a honey trap operation against a tall conference attendee (German or Scandinavian with very long hair ) . We suspect the same has happened in the Barcellona conference , there have been small number of people that are " agents provocators and spies ".
Things to remembers : At Barcellona the live feed of the conference was
cut off .
David Wilcock and Dan Burish were delayed for many hours when traveling from the US and from Zurich .
David Wilcock returns home and some neighbour has a loud party that last until morning .. ( gangstalking operation ? )
Kerry experienced repeated interference during her live interviews ....
During our stay in Zurich in an expensive hotel one night at about 1.30 AM
a new guest tried to open the door , luckily the latch was on , I got up and shut it . The management said that it was a mistake of their booking software ..... The next day we returned to our room briefly after breakfast outside the hotel , but the TV was on and it had been switched off the night before .
Me thinks that people should use a bit of descernment and some of the personalities speaking at the conference are SUS . Bill an Kerry have a disclamer on their website and people should not forget it .
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/fee...25-australia-0

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Check out the Lear interview on veritasshow.com. John was recovering from back surgery, if I'm not mistaken. Who knows what other kinds of pressures he might have been facing at that time. I don't see John Lear as an opportunist. Also...I just finished rewatching the 2001 Disclosure Project press conference. I liked what Steven Greer and all of the witnesses had to say. The testimonies had very limited reference to actual alien beings. I'm afraid that presently I am leaning toward a theory of some type of malevolent alien control of the covert military industrial complex, governments, religions, etc. I would much rather think happy thoughts...but I am having a very difficult time doing so. Total disclosure of All aspects of the ufo/alien phenomenon...plus giving the power to the people of the world would probably put us on the right track as a species. We would still have huge problems though. I'm not expecting paradise anytime soon.

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It is all about the disclosure and the way to make it. There are different structures inside the secret government. Even members of the MJ 12 were divided on this issue.
For me, there is no doubt that Disclosure Project was supported by some of these structures. Could be Project Camelot also, and these fractions should be good gays. In his interviews, Bob Dean spoke that he believe the SOMEBODY wants him to do exactly what he is doing, and told Kerry and Bill that somebody told him that their job is also appreciated, paraphrasing.

Luminary touched the nerve. The question about malevolent and benevolent ETs is crucial for the future disclosure. If there is a claim that some evil forces are present on the Earth, this will break apart all of the political and social system, producing mass chaos. The version with positive ETs is far more acceptable for the masses and for the governments, since the system will not be destroyed.

This is a conflict between two concepts of disclosure. I personally believe that first official proclamation of the ET presence will be that there is no danger for humanity, than we will see…

Respect

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To me any organized religion is a cult and it serves a hidden purpose.

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Hi Luminari,

The John Lear 'flip flop' was recorded on the Veritas Show. I'm not sure which part of the program, but he mentions that after reading a book by a German guy, he was convinced that man has never been to the moon, that it was all a scam, this after years of insisting that man went there in the fifties and has built towers and factories etc.. In the same interview he states that in 1966 he saw a 'bathtub' type object pass below him whilst he was descending to land his aircraft. He said that at the time he thought of the space craft of the 6 Million Dollar Man and even called the ex-president of Lear Jet to talk about it. The thing is the Six Million Dollar Man didn't exist at that time.


As for the others, I cannot mention in this forum and it really is quite a lengthy thing to do, suffice to say, we all know who Blossom Goodchild is.... and there are others who more subtly are either feeding poo to the people or using third hand information as their own....

Best regards,

Steve

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Thanks Steve,

Yes I hadn't heard all the Veritas interviews yet including that one (will get back over there very soon Manticore - thanks for all your excellent hard work).

That certainly is an astonishing 'flip-flop'... from Mr Moon himself!

Thats a shame he can't get his story or opinions straight, he really is a likeable old guy.

Blossom and friends, yes there's so many channeled sources that are unconscious deceivers..

But also many that are excellent.. when it comes to ideas, empowerment and spiritual concepts (I wouldn't rely on them for facts and figures or empirical data though) don't throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak.

:wink2:

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Beware of false prophets. I was a Dr Greer supporter. It was through him and the discovery project that helped me wake up.

However since the post and link to his Baha'i faith I have been doing some serious pondering on this whole thing.

First everyone should watch that you-tube vid posted earlier in this thread. If it is the NWO new religion, it sure puts a different twist to this novel we are reading.

The governments themselves cannot just come out and tell everyone that they have been lying for the past 60 plus years. No they need someone to spill the beans for them. So get someone to be the front man and get a group of credible people to back up his research and leak the info out this way.

Now it is interesting that Dr Greer stated that he was giving Pres Obama 1 year until they were going to come out with evidence and prove that there is alien life out there.

Is this a set up for project blue beam and the introduction of the New World Religion for everyone?



P.S. Dr Greer says that the black government killed his best friend. Well I read his book and she died of cancer and he says that psy ops did it to her.

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I also believe this, though I think the higher ups in each religion are more involved with the corrupt elements than the followers.

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No big deal, I thought everyone was aware that such conferences are monitored purely for security reasons, to check for breaches and temperature of data given at such venues. Its their job and in these days of heightened security due to possible terrorist activity perhaps its a good thing to have these 'spooks' attend. Honey traps, yes, interesting topic all on its own.

Reading much of the postings here at Avalon/Camelot I shake my head and sigh, many are not remotely ready for full disclosure. Too many smug little know-it-all types with little or no actual real experience with the subject sit and proclaim their views and theories as THE correct ones, based usually only on reading books, watching DVDs, listening to talkshows. Many of us are doing our best but to be perfectly frank a great deal of what we have to say is ignored or worse misinterpreted and misquoted. When we see that happening can you blame us if we turn around and say "sod it"......"you can't be bothered to listen why should I waste my time?"

Barry

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I don't have any preset theories. I just go with what resonates.

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The post was not aimed at you HJ, but at those whom know themselves whom I refer to here. An open mind is all it takes:original:

Barry

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And you think those running the black ops/programs do NOT have the capabilities to create a cancer in someone troublesome? Or create an induced cardiac arrest? ROFL
Barry

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cancer is by far less suspecious than cardiac arrest. After learning what I have learned on this site, cardiac arrest is not a natural cause to me any more...at least in a lot of cases...

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Just to get across the point that 'they' can induce any problem to slow down a threat to them or eliminate a continuing threat.

Barry

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This is not aimed at anyone at all, its just an observation ...

We are offered A LOT of info. and testimonys from various sources. How does this differ from what is in books/dvds etc?
At the end of the day it is info. that we have to decide on ourselves of its validity. Who is to say which testimony is the correct one? Its a constant circle of argument and couter argument. All the time this is pulling your mind this way then back again.


TANGIBLE:

Etymology: Late Latin tangibilis, from Latin tangere to touch
Date: 1589

1 a: capable of being perceived especially by the sense of touch : palpable b: substantially real : material
2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind <her grief was tangible>
3: capable of being appraised at an actual or approximate value <tangible assets>

Would this be it? Would something tangible not end the circus that surrounds the truth? Yes something could be fabricated - but this at least would be more difficult than fabricating a 'story'. A collection of words that pander to a desperate audience. The more desperate the better.

Why is everyone looking to outside sources for truth? The fact is, THEY have every base covered - whether good/bad ET is your bag, planet X, 2012, UFOs, and on and on. All distractions for the 'awake' people to keep you :sleep_1:

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i wasn't questiong their ability to induce cancer. I was trying to say that it's smarter and evokes less suspecion...

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I wouldn't call Buddhism a cult with a hidden purpose.. Its not good to generalise Burgundia.

Here is the Baha'i Lotus Temple of World Peace in New Delhi:
http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...otusTemple.jpg

The religion was founded by this guy 200 years ago in Iran:
http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...rom_miller.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h
http://www.bahaullah.org/

I'm not a fan of religion either (with the exception of Buddhist philosophy) but this is really silly saying that Baha'i is the OWO religion ('old world order' because world domination is nothing new). When Christianity (the Vatican) has been the true OWO dominator for over 1500 years.

And all because alot of you are getting desperate to find some chink in Steven Greer's armour so you can paint him as some sort of bad guy. Witchhunt indeed.
It doesn't matter what religion Greer is, what side of the bed he sleeps on or what colour underwear he's wearing.

People are not going to trade in Jesus for Baha'u'lla or anyone else, just ask this guy: :naughty:
http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...9/rev-moon.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church

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Oh I believe 100% that they can do this. But can one prove that his friend died from natural cancer or induced?

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Very valid argument.


I guess where I am going here is the connection to Project Blue Beam and the idea of Alien disclosure. If there appears a Messiah to "save" us and the recommendation that we all become members of the Baha'i faith, then we should be aware of the deception. Otherwise this is all for nothing.


Just turning over every stone. At this point it is hard to trust anyone that says they have all of the answers. No point getting our knickers in knot for having a discussion about whistleblowers.

Thanks for the info Luminari.

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I don't know where this explosion of animosity came from Barry and I certainly hope you weren't sending this negativity in my direction.

I have seen UFO's Barry. And have been fascinated by this topic since I was at least 5 years old (longer.. my family have crayon drawings I did of spacecraft and 'visitors' in kindergarden). My grandmother has been following this since the '50's.

I don't need you to disclose anything to me Barry. But I read all your posts with interest and respect (I'm watching).

There is a ton of valuable information to be gained from reading books..

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[QUOTE=Luminari;156648]I wouldn't call Buddhism a cult with a hidden purpose.. Its not good to generalise Burgundia.


in that sentence I used the words "to me..." which gives me the right to make this generalization. i do not know much about Buddhism( frankly speaking almost nothing, and the same goes for many other religions) but i have a question "can we call Buddhism an organized religion? If so to what extent is it an organized religion?

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Yes the Bluebeam Holographic inserts.. if/when the big day arrives I guess Baha'i's would see Baha'u'lla, Muslims will see Mohammed...

American's will probably get a holograph of Jesus on a cloud or riding a flying disc.

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w..._2009/57-1.jpg

Crazy stuff but very real possibilities. At least we won't fall for it lets hope. I Wonder what they have in mind for the atheists? Thats probably where the fake UFO invasion might come in... to cover all bases.

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...i_2009/rrt.jpg

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The Watcher wrote: Many of us are doing our best but to be perfectly frank a great deal of what we have to say is ignored or worse misinterpreted and misquoted. When we see that happening can you blame us if we turn around and say "sod it"......"you can't be bothered to listen why should I waste my time?"

Barry, please do your best to ignore those with incompletely informed opinions who feel the need to share their views. Most of us are groping in the dark here and doing the best we can with a mess of conflicting information. I am waiting patiently to hear what you have to say, and I'm sure there are many others ready to listen. Even though you may never know it, trust that what you have to say will reach those it needs to reach. Eventually, the truth will make itself known. Thank you for what you are doing to help make this happen.

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Where did you get the information about 95% are of that kind, I guess you are meaning Baha'i faith? I would like to read that info for myself.

I thought the whole idea of this new world was to regain our personal sovereignty (that would exclude religions or cults). We are to take personal responsibility for ourselves (not be sheeple). We must take everything we hear and see and run it through our own personal barometer (heart) and find our own truth.

We have so many distractions that are keeping us from accomplishing this goal. I don't even know anymore what's up and what's down. Information, disinformation it almost seems the same to me anymore. Most truth tellers, I believe, are telling us the truth as they know it but remember compartmentalization. Each person has a little piece of the puzzle and it is our job to put the puzzle together, if we choose to do so. I hope we figure it out before the NWO sets their final plans in motion.

And Watcher, we are not a bunch of now-it-alls, we are simply people trying to figure it all out and are expressing our opinions and you know what they say about opinions.:wink2:

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Steve: On another thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ight=manticore we discussed the experimental plane which John Lear makes reference to. This plane(M2-F2) was flying in the mid sixties. Lear was not mistaken regarding the existence of the plane at the time of his sighting. This plane was featured some years later in 'The Six Million Dollar Man'. Regarding the moon...could the dark side have placed pressure on Lear to shut-up, change his story...or else?
YouTube - The Six Million Dollar Man TV Intro
The success of Dryden's M2-F1 program led to NASA's development and construction of two heavyweight lifting bodies based on studies at NASA's Ames and Langley research centers -- the M2-F2 and the HL-10, both built by the Northrop Corporation. The "M" refers to "manned" and "F" refers to "flight" version. "HL" comes from "horizontal landing" and 10 is for the tenth lifting body model to be investigated by Langley. (See also NASA Ames Research Center). The M2-F2 made its first captive flight (attached to the B-52 carrier aircraft throughout the flight) on March 23, 1966. The first flight of the M2-F2 - which looked much like the "M2-F1" - was on July 12, 1966. Milton O. Thompson was the pilot. By then, the same B-52 used to air launch the famed X-15 rocket research aircraft was modified to also carry the lifting bodies. Thompson was dropped from the B-52's wing pylon mount at an altitude of 45,000 feet (13,700 m) on that maiden glide flight. He reached a gliding speed of about 450 miles per hour (720 km/h). Before powered flights were undertaken, a series of glide flights were conducted. On May 10, 1967, the sixteenth and last glide flight ended in disaster as the vehicle slammed into the lake bed on landing. With test pilot Bruce Peterson at the controls, the M2-F2 suffered a pilot induced oscillation (PIO) as it neared the lake bed. The vehicle rolled from side to side in flight as he tried to bring it under control. Peterson recovered, but then observed a rescue helicopter that seemed to pose a collision threat. Distracted, Peterson drifted in a cross-wind to an unmarked area of the lake bed where it was very difficult to judge the height over the ground because of a lack of guidance the markers provided on the lake bed runway.Peterson fired the landing rockets to provide additional lift, but he hit the lake bed before the landing gear was fully down and locked. The M2-F2 rolled over six times, coming to rest upside down. Pulled from the vehicle by Jay King and Joseph Huxman, Peterson was rushed to the base hospital, transferred to March Air Force Base and then the UCLA Hospital. He recovered but lost vision in his right eye due to a staphyloccocal infection. Portions of M2-F2 footage including Peterson's spectacular crash landing were used for the 1973 TV movie The Six Million Dollar Man though some shots during the opening credits of the series showed the later HL-10 model, during release from its carrier plane, a modified B-52. Four pilots flew the M2-F2 on its 16 glide flights. They were Milton O. Thompson (5 flights), Bruce Peterson (3 flights), Don Sorlie (3 flights) and Jerry Gentry (5 flights). NASA pilots and researchers realized the M2-F2 had lateral control problems, even though it had a stability augmentation control system. When the M2-F2 was rebuilt at Dryden and redesignated the M2-F3, it was modified with an additional third vertical fin -- centered between the tip fins to improve control characteristics. The M2-F2/F3 was the first of the heavy-weight, entry-configuration lifting bodies. Its successful development as a research test vehicle answered many of the generic questions about these vehicles.

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Whoa, slow down, not aimed at you either, there are certain characters within these forums whom delight in trying to show how expert they are, when in fact they are just laymen like the majority of members here. I'm NOT knocking laymen, just pointing out a simple fact, a difference between those interested in these topics, then we have the experiencers, then we have those of us whom have devoted many years hands on research and investigation. In my case 43 years. These 'armchair experts' love to mire the waters and twist and turn words freely given by those facing hostilities yet coming forwards to open the eyes of many. Yes you can gain knowledge from books but limited knowledge. Insiders have had access to data you would never obtain if it were not from them. Data you will not find in mainstream books, hands on experience, not gleaned from a book. These troublesome ones I refer to know whom they are, casually stroll around the threads, you will find them.
:original:Barry

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That I did not say or infer, I said there are elements here within the forums whom think THEY ARE know it alls, stroll around and check threads:original:

Barry

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All organized religions are part of the old> continual regressive matrix loop:naughty:

Note~ but some enlighted masters> were enabled to cracked through the dogma's. It is through {their} hard earned and learn enlightenment~

many here now have the {means} necessary too transcend!

Dr Greer> is a heroic humanbeing ~ whatever spin is put upon him :thumb_yello:


Disclosure? Lets hope these types > don't get to celebrate this come December

http://waterman99.files.wordpress.co...sclosure-4.jpg

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Hi Barry, I really do not like at all what you are saying here, related to humans. This is your opinion, OK, and I respect. So , should you do, the opinion of the rest of the people, even you consider having "no real experience".

Look maybe, I 'm not aware, is this a science of UFO logy, taught to the school, with books and manuals and everything or it was a permanent fight with the governments over trickled information and mis-information and psy-ops and whatever. I mean we are to be punished for not being able to learn, or something?

There is nothing new under the sun, in the Bible there is a mention of other beings, than the humans, there is no NEW INFORMATION YOU OR ANY can bring about that. I mean I do not need you or any coming here tell me that are other beings extraterestrial, intraterstrial, terraen, etc,

Whatever good you and other can do, if you are so in the know, to give details about what you know and not with royal arrogance make other people stupid.

Look, I do no believe any of you, up to now! You all are playong a highly delusional game with the poor people eagear about information. Is tha last card to be playing by those are in the control of the world, by using of most of the "disclosure specialists" now.

How can you say such things, when everybody knows how eager were the governments, all over to keep like in a clench, even the slightest and innocent piece of exo-info, but because now is convenient for the ruler game, now is "disclosure" and everybody not believing or is a little circumspect (as he/she should be) then you are mocking on them. As from a pull of a switch everybody should believe something has been denied for more than 50 years!.

So, to understand that the other races ruling the Earth, kept the silence as long has been in their interest and now when they see the edifice starting to shaking (is not our merit, but GOD!) now they want to collect the last incentives even for the disclosure, that anyhow are obliged to, volens-nolens
Big favor they bring to us, after so many people have been killed, so many discredited and carriers destroyed. This in return for the big favor they made us by revealing about themselves.:lol3:

It is all a PSY-OP operation, pathetic, I can say, the real extraterrestrials will be revealed not now and not by you, people who talk down to other people which are thirsty about truth, not just trickled by drips.

That is my personal opinion and as anyone on this board and world I can hold it, based on my "little" knowing and stupid me just watching you tube and DVD.


And if we are stupid, or unaware or whatever, you that supposed you are in the know from superior beings, you should know that not all the thumbs from a hand are equal, not the perceiving, understanding and accumulation of knowledge is same for all of people. Is that a reason of mockery? I think is not!

Every creature, has been brought to existence by God, for a definite purpose and those who are not aware of that purpose, are not to be judges.

That is why, the Divine Law "Do not judge" any. Not should I mention that all the people will find the truth when is designated for their level of development.

I will appreciate a truthful approach of that problem, not by mockery and ear-pullings of other people which haven't have the privilege or the luck to be in the right place at the right moment.

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I don't really want to be an insider...because I fear that this would involve taking orders...directly or indirectly...from malevolent beings...human and otherwise. I deeply respect those who have paid their dues on the inside...and who have divulged information to the general public...the act of which could get them incarcerated or murdered...or black-balled at the very least. Unfortunately...even the insiders contradict each other. What was it that Richard Hoagland said? 'The lie is different at every level'.

Most of us are trying to learn forbidden knowledge from all available sources...including books, YouTube, Google, DVD's, Conventions, etc...and then brainstorm about what we have learned. Most of what we learn is probably pure unmitigated popycock...and most of our interpretations and understandings of the truth are fatally flawed. We have to speculate...because information continues to be suppressed...and we continue to be lied to. But we are doing the best we can. There are more than six billion humans...and who knows how many greys and reptilians...living on this miserable planet...and yet there are fewer than a thousand active members on this relatively high profile forum.

I consider each and every one of them to be brave pioneers in a brave new universe.

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:thumb_yello:I second that emotion...except for the miserable planet part.:original:

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I'm thinking mostly of the violent history of Earth...right up to the present...with rumors of future war and extermination. Earth has huge potential...and is very beautiful...yet misery is everywhere.

By the way...that Baha'i Lotus Temple of World Peace in New Delhi looks really cool. It appears to have some of the same design ideas and construction as the Opera House in Sydney, Australia (and also St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cathedral in San Francisco). I'm a sucker for cool church, temple, and cathedral architecture...but I won't bow down and worship anyone! Sorry Lucifer. I like the idea of spiritual centers rather than houses of worship. Worship implies Unquestioning Submission. Submission implies Enslavement. Enslavement is the opposite of Freedom.

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Hi THEWATCHER,

Surely by the very nature of the name, the elements you talk about would KNOW they are 'know it alls'.

Best regards,

Steve

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Hi Steve, long time no see. Again unfortunately I have ruffled feathers when my intention was to state that there are certain individuals whom will slow down and even try and ruin the process by bickering, misinterpreting deliberately and generally giving anyone a hard time by constantly being negative. Its late, maybe I'm not explaining that well. I mean no harm or malice nor do I say all here are know-it-alls, merely a few whom have louder voices than others. Sure most can only gain their knowledge by way of books, DVDs and watching youtube etc. Just be wary its a controlled medium and the nitty gritty will not be found in books. Whistleblowers tend to not agree? To contradict each other? Yes thats true to a degree, depending on their controlled agenda, and many will have agendas. Watch out for those with no trackable history, whom have entered the frame out of nowhere within recent times. Those with verifiable histories surely should be viewed with more courtesey and treated with a fully open mind. Again, apologies if I have snubbed noses or trodden on toes, that was not my aim here. But when you have been thru the mill patience tends to get worn thin. Try also being in agonising pain in arms n legs 24/7 and you are bound to get twitchy. Sorry guys if I have come across as a berk, not my intention.

Barry

Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!
 

This XCon 2004 presentation by Philip Corso, Jr. is very interesting regarding what he says concerning Steven Greer and disclosure: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57082051&hl=en Does anyone know if Corso gave Greer any documents...or if Greer began looking in different places for different reasons?