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That isnt true...

sigh

ALL post will be available to read..or quote links to it..

and as original poster, you may ask to transfer thread over to PA2

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Dear chris.
I started to read this thread just now and came to this part of your comment.
Man, it's like coming home.....
what is right or wrong anyway.... just labels:smoke:

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Can we even exist in this dimension without an ego? Is it necessary to have an ego to hold our sanity together?

I felt, maybe I lost my ego once after taking a very special drink in Ecuador. If this was the case, I don't think I would want to exist ego-less in this reality for very long. It would be amazing in other places, but maybe this place wasn't designed for an ego-less state as we would not learn certain lessons... maybe on how to strive for egolessness?

Just a thought. Namaste, Jia.

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I appreciate your concerns.
We have teachers in an egoless state and they have been active or inactive in this world.

Eckhart Tolle author of The Power of Now is in that state but active.
He rarely talks of ego because he realises their will be resistence to letting it go.
However the ego cant survive in the NOW.
So if his sugestions are followed then the ego less state will occur naturally.

Dr David Hawkins in various books a trilogy starting with "Power vs Force" goes in to detail as to how the ego came about as a necessary survival mechanism for a lower state of consciousness, we are in the process of evolving from a lower state to a higher one, the ego is becoming redundant.

My friend 14Chakras recommended a book "The Christ is Born in You" by Kim Michaels.
Christ consciousness is an enlightened state, we are moving into that state now but need the energy/ teachings flowing from those who are in that state to lift us beyond where we find ourselves now, at least till we find the truth of these teachings, which have been there since time began, that Truth is within every single one of us and found through meditation, prayer, forgiveness, the first two commandments of the bible.

chris
Namaste.

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I would be happy for the thread to be transfered Celine.
I value the contributions made by many I was just concerned that it would become read only.

With love Chris

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Dear amate
you got it.
Thanks for your post.
Chris
Namaste.

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just make the request , pvt msg, to either Gareth or Richard.

:)

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Requested but no response as yet.
Ch

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More on the ego
The Heisenberg Principal is, that which is observed by consciousness is changed.
Only observation is necessary, an awareness that is beyond thought holds the power.
Its a very complex subject which Hawkins goes into in some depth.
The kinesology technique that backs up Dr Hawkins subjective experience connects to the field of consciousness in which every event though and deed since time began is recorded. Using the test there is a yes or non yes response to a statement. Basically anything that does not exist, is not supportive of life, is an illusion, causes the muscle to go weak and everything that is true/ life supporting causes the muscle to be strong.
For various reasons only about 15% of the populous can use this test with accuracy.
Now the ego
The thought that I am a me is very powerful because we are infatuated with the me story.
Anything that comes and goes is not Truth. Ultimate Truth is unchanging. Truth cant change.
Thoughts have a wave form but they are not us. till we identify with the thought as mine.
Eckhart Tolle says Descartes had it backwards. "I AM THEREFORE I THINK" is more correct.
Its very complex unless you are very precise in the context of a statement.
What is true from one view point, at one level of understanding is not true at another.
Ultimate truth is only God is.
Then its a step down principal.
Very top is Ultimate God who is pure love and does nothing.
Next is God of creation who is busy moment by moment.
There are the Angels
There are the Avatars
There are the enlightened
Then there is the human race in various levels of vibration from Saints - unconditional love,
all the way down to the
serial child killer.
All these have there personal vibration, an energy field.
So the ego seems very powerful because we believe it to be so, only the power of God can remove that illusion.
Namaste.
Chris

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LOL Chris! Your last post above this one says otherwise. An inspired post, thank you.

I look forward to lurking & reading your posts in PA2, when I get invited!

Graeme

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I believe spiritual teachers who say that the whole reason for being in this world is find the answer to the question.

What am I?

No who but what.
Not the little me, (the ego) not the male or the female but beyond all of that.

So what is really important is the relationship we have with our Creator, God.
Everything else is transient.
With Love
Chris

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For me its a question of priorities.
To be in this world but not of it.
Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, to God that which is God's

There are many interesting things in this world and yes I go there.
When my final moment comes of what use will be knowledge of Aliens, UFOs, Crop circles, Earth Quakes and a thousand other interesting things?
Not a lot---smiling.
Chris
Namaste

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Shikasta said
"LOL Chris! Your last post above this one says otherwise. An inspired post, thank you.

I look forward to lurking & reading your posts in PA2, when I get invited!

Graeme"

Hi Graeme.
Thats a real Scottish way of spelling your name.
We have plans and God laughs.
My intention to lurk is interrupted at least time being.
Dan started a new web site link here and asked me if I would post.
http://www.myspiritualoasis.org/
Some good stuff here you can take a look and its easy to join.
Couple of posts above are pasted from either Beren's thread on Avalon 2
or Dan's site.

Now having said all of that it is, my natural desire to want to share, its a function not what I am.
I wrote a book but cant afford to publish, a publisher looked t it but said while it was good they were only publishing books by media celebrities, unfortunately Im not a good enough cook to have a book published :mfr_lol:
I dont mind Im not sure I want the responsibility of having to promote a book.

This thread has helped me immensely as when a person posts here it triggers a response.
The response comes partly from memory of things I have read and experienced and partly from elsewhere ie Higher Self.

So as long as there are people posting here, on this thread, responses where appropriate will happen.

Thanks for triggering this one Graeme

With Love
Chris
Ps the mods have a lot of work to do to transfer people to PA2 Im sure your invite is in the pipe line.
Ch

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"Man is a thinking reed, but his great works are done when he is not calculating and thinking. “Childlikeness” has to be restored with long years of training in the art of self-forgetfulness. When this is attained, man thinks, yet he does not think. He thinks like the showers coming down from the sky; he thinks like the waves rolling on the ocean; he thinks like the stars illuminating the heavens. Indeed he is the showers, the ocean, the stars."

--Zen teacher and author Dr D.T. Suzuki

love always
mudra

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The importance of nothing

“Come in,” I said. “I just made tea.”

“Thank you,” he said, “That sounds nice.”

He followed me through the house and into the breakfast nook. He sat down at the little table while I got cups and saucers from the cabinets.

“What brings you this far from home?” I asked him.

“I am not really sure,” he said. “I just started walking this morning. I was thinking mostly. I didn’t realize just how long I had been out. The next thing I knew I was looking at your front door. I must have walked several miles today.”

I poured tea for both of us and then sat down to join him.

“What were you thinking about?” I asked.

“Nothing really. Or maybe everything.” He paused. His brow furrowed as if he was in very deep thought. “You know,” he continued, “I am a very happy man. I have everything that I have ever wanted. I am happy with my job, my family is happy and healthy, we never truly want for anything. But…” he paused again, “…I feel like there is something missing.”

“Like what?” I asked.

“I’m not really sure. I just feel an emptiness.”

“Spiritually, emotionally or intellectually?”

“I’m not sure, all three maybe.” He paused again, staring intently at his tea cup. “This tea is very good. What is it?”

“It is a blend that I make myself. It is Green Tea with a few herbs that help to relax the body and mind.”

He smiled, “I could sure use that.”

“You know,” I said, “emptiness isn’t always a bad thing. Many people actually strive to find it as apposed to filling it up.”

“But that is a different kind of emptiness,” he said.

“Is it?” I asked. “Have you ever looked close at a wagon wheel?”

He looked a bit confused at this change of subject. “I suppose,” he said.

“There are as many as thirty spokes on that wheel,” I said. “Each of those spokes connects the rim to the hub. But what is it about that wheel that makes it useful?”

“I don’t know, the shape?”

“No,” I smiled, “it is a wheel, so it is already round.” I pointed to the tea pot sitting on the table. “See this tea pot? I made it myself. I actually formed the clay with my hands, fired it and glazed it. I painted all of the intricate designs by hand. I am very proud of it. But, what is it about this tea pot that makes it useful?”

“It holds tea?”

“You are getting closer,” I said with a smile. I pointed to the back door of the house. “Tell me, what do you think is the most important part of that door?”

“I suppose the knob,” he said. “You couldn’t open it without it.”

“The knob is beneficial, yes. Just as the spout and handle are beneficial to the tea pot or the spokes and hub are beneficial to the wheel. But all of these things have one thing in common. They have emptiness.”

I let him think on that for a few seconds before I continued.

“The wheel has a hole in the middle for the axle to go through. That emptiness, that nothing is what makes the wheel useful. The tea pot has an empty space inside that can be used to hold water. The door has an opening that is empty.

“If these items did not have that emptiness, that nothingness then there would be no room to put anything else and they would be useless.

“That is true in everything. If your spiritual, emotional and intellectual spaces are filled then there is no room for more and they become useless. Therefore the wise man will strive for emptiness so that he is always ready to learn more.”

He stared at me for a few seconds. “Why is it that you always talk in riddles, old man?”

“I never talk in riddles,” I smiled at him. “But I have noticed that you tend to listen in them.”

We finished our tea and I walked him to the door. He would be back, as he always is.

http://conversationsofthetao.blogspo...mportance.html

Love always
mudra

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That is a great story mudra, and this is a great thread greybeard, thanx.
The ego is the cause of all our problems, i have been trying to live without mine for a while now, but it doesn't stop me clashing with others for speaking my truth.

Last night in the pub two guys were having a conversation with the barman who was flicking through the daily Mirror or some other nonsense when the talk turned to 911, via x-ray machines and terror scares from the msm rag. One guy said 911 was an inside job and asked me to back him up when the other guy doubted him. i told him about how building 7 fell behind the shoulder of the bbc reporter 20 minutes after she had reported its collapse. I told them how the retired head of Homeland security was hawking body scanners around europe because he owned the company which made them, and how a cia operative had been involved in the mumbai shootings.

The barman accused me of being a conspiracy nut and called last orders, I could see he was annoyed, he had been trying to direct the conversation with the boys, when it was taken to a place outside his comfort zone. The boys then began to ask me questions on all sorts of subjects such as ufos, nibiru, etc. I told them to go and find their own truth, that i didn't have all the answers.

Another friend of mine came in and we had a drink and our own bit of craic, he was depressed, a mutual friend had recently committed suicide, he had just witnessed a fight, and he himself was in terrible pain in his legs, caused by alcohol, but thats another story. He had a whiskey and went home with 6 cans to see him through the night.

The barman doesn't like me because of my unconventional lifestyle, and muttered a comment about the guy who had just left and his drink problem. I told him not to be so uncharitable, the other two guys said he was just a grumpy old man. I agreed that he was indeed grumpy and he exploded with a stream of venom, about the guy who had just left and a few comments about me, I just sat and smiled at him, we were learning a lesson.

"Don't take anything personally, because the moment you do, your spiritual growth and journey comes to an end." Hopi Elders

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double post, thats twice today
one love, people get ready...

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Indeed my dear friend Chris. I was just lurking around a bit and stumbled over your post. :original:
Just wanted to clarify that my intention was not to start my own forum, but was an honest Love inspired offer to help the ones that call themselves "The Mists".

Things happen for a reason, and if you live in the moment you experience great things that wont happen if "you think" too much with your mind. :mfr_omg:
That said "I" invite all the readers of this thread and their friends, to BE a part of a spiritual community (not mine), as an alternative not replacement aside of PA. It's new in its infantile state, but growing step by step...:wub2:

I apologize for my boldness. :winksmiley02:

Love to all,

Dan

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Me too.
Thanks for cruising by feardie.
boats my second love.
Chris

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Great story Mudra

Atoms of course are mainly empty too.
Love
Chris

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This spiritual ego would like to thank all contributers to the tread.
I have and am still learning so much.

Chris
Namaste

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aloha

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2...5m_b0832a6.jpg

and I bring you the good news
there is no ego as en entity that exists on its own
the Ego is just a concept, an idea, a thoughtform, a point of view
and like all other points of view
it comes and it goes - like clouds in the sky
and so we always have the choice of hanging on to the points of view that comes by
or let them go and rather stay in the nature of what we are - Awareness
relaxing and resting as Awareness


mahalo

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Thanks Mahalo.
This is true.
There are a lot of posts in the thread saying much the same from different points of view.
I re-read the whole thing from page one from time to time, so much good positive information.

Chris
Namaste

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aloha

http://img37.imagefra.me/img/img37/2...cm_92ec628.jpg

to make something illusory into some-thing tangible is a futile affair . . . .


mahalo

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Thanks aloha.
So true.
Most people cant see that unfortunately.
Love Chris

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Bump.
Cant think of anything to say at the moment.
Aint that great.
:lol3:

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Thanks futureyes.
Yes every word carries baggage a history.
It is almost impossible to see anything fresh and new as it really is.
The ego needs past to exist.

When I did therapy I would ask some clients what the word dog meant to them.
Just one word---dog.
To some it brought up a strong fear reaction.
Others love. followed by Rover stories.
and a few were indifferent,
So you can see the difficulty in communicating with the other.
There is a quote. "Hell is the other"
So often we are sure we are expressing clearly only to find our intention etc is being mis-understood.
In order to have a clear understanding of the content of a communication, the context must be clear, that is what gives meaning to content.
The ego loves to miss-understand and be quarrelsome.
In relationships a common ego statement is.
"But you promised." normal implying. You promised to make me happy and you dident.
or "You said."
Eckhart Tolle wrote in "The Power of Now"
"Relationships are not there to make you happy at this time but to dissolve your ego. You will learn more from three failed relationships than three years spent on a dessert Island" The context being that you are looking for spiritual growth.
Namaste
Chris

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IM SMILING TOO ---BIG TIME.

Thanks futureyes.
I will really miss posting here.
So many though provoking responses.
Far better than provoking ones :mfr_lol:
Not that there were any of those.
Even a small start on transcending the ego can bring much peace.
One good way is to refrain from labeling.
If you do you are not really seeing anything other than a category.
For example if your are looking at a bird refrain from any mental comment.
The mind wants to pigeon--hole it smiling.
While the mind is processing thought it is not 100% aware of the bird at all.
Spiritually speaking you are unconscious you have lost the presence of one of Gods beautiful creatures. If you really look you will be dumb struck at the perfection of the moment.
Ch

Chris

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Phew,

So....in the end what one transcends....
is the illusion that there is something to transcend. :original:

Much wisdom here, thanks to all.


Peace

ps- Regarding words, I always liked the 'Sutra of the Perfection of Wisdom
in One Letter', ('A' - Sanskrit = 'no' or 'not').
Now...those guys have got a sense of humour,
and alot of spare time. :lol3:

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Thanks
You got in ONE.
Without humor where would we be??????
Chris

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I don't really know, where are we now? :original:
Sorry, does 6 question marks indicate a rhetorical question?????? :lol3:

Peace

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Indeed Zenith
The key stuck for a moment?????????
Just like that.

I laugh because the thread is by the ego suggesting and asking egos for ways to speed up its demise.
Only it doesn't know that.
It thinks its going to be an enlightened ego.
I haven't the heart to tell it otherwise.
Im quite fond of christopher and the things he gets up to but I must surrender that fondness to the greater Love of God.

As to where we are aI can only answer or my self.
Im home ward bound.
Anyone know a short cut?:mfr_lol:
Think I tried them all over many life times.
Back to
Love love and then see what happens.

Ch

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"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves."

Bill Hicks.

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Yes, thats lucid enough.
Idra's dream.
Chris

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Its Monday the sun is shining, its cool 5c. Its British summer time.
Great start to the week.


Welcome to the thread.
If you havent been here before, please read some of the early pages, there are lots of great contributions with varying points of view.
Chris

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Ok friends, read this, you'll thank me as you are coming up higher in consciousness and freeing yourself from lack and limitation, this is the good stuff here, this is the good stuff, enjoy:

Part 1. Spiritual blindness – the main challenge presented by the ego
Part 2. Why the ego cannot see the forest for the trees
Part 3. Why the ego is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole
Part 4. Why the ego becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy
Part 5. Why the ego wants you to think the world is black and white
Part 6. Why the ego wants you to think the world is gray
Part 7. How the ego can use a spiritual teaching to abort your quest for truth
Part 8. How the ego seeks to divert your attention from the inner path
Part 9. Why the ego will always be a house divided against itself

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Thanks for the info !4Chakras
Love Chris