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... dayzero, you spoke of Jesus as a 'concept' in which resides 'purity' and 'executive power' and then concluded that these virtues put it neatly beyond reach. You didn't say Jesus doesn't exist that's true but your characterisation of him as a 'concept' implied no room for his existence as an individual. Your perception of the origin of the NDE experience seemed also to imply that. Sorry but i was only responding to your words on the page.

True Josefine, Christ is within reach of everyone because the 'Universal Christ' is individualised in everyone as the 'Christ Self' (or 'Buddha Self', 'Krishna-consciousness', 'Vishnu' or 'higher-Self' whatever cultural language is preferred). Those who reach for IT within can attain conscious union with IT as Jesus did. In my comments i was referring to Jesus rather than the Universal Christ in All. For the purpose of identifying his individuality i differentiate between Jesus and the Christ consciousness he attained. Jesus is the 'Christed' individual who had those experiences in Palestine ~ 2000 years ago. He is alive and active today.

I make the point because the existence of the individual known as 'Jesus the Christ' is denied in many ways. Some commentaries deny he existed (and therefore exists) and others, if they allow it, believe he is now gone and unreachable having merged into an 'impersonal Oneness' which extinguishes the 'appearance' of individuality. At the root of this belief is a denial of spiritual individuality for any of us notwithstanding that a concept of collective higher Selfhood is allowed. Alternative explanations for the NDE are sometimes sqeezed into that box and sometimes into one that allows for a personal higher- Self. That is, it seems acceptable to acknowledge one's own higher-Self (Christ Self) as the source of experiences with Jesus but it is not considered credible to experience the living Presence of Jesus the Christ, an individual who became One with his higher- Self or Christ Self and is therefore immortal.

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Dear Milk and honey:

Very well said!

Is it not equally ill formed logic, on the part of so many 'intellectuals', that, due to other historical figures through which the Christ conscience manifested, the story of the Bible, even G-d is a myth? They're not as smart as they've been led to believe and this is very basic logic.

It's fairly well known to students of history that due to the victor having control over the pen it is painfully corrupted.

Therefore, is it not also highly likely that theology too has suffered this same fait and a very long time ago?
For multiple reasons besides the direct cash flow into the church. To allow polarization of different peoples for the war machines of wealth, corruption of powerful leaders with land mines of "truths" planted therein to allow their conversion to atheism and the elimination of their respect of G-ds rules. Alsi, to allow control of key points of governments giving out contracts, regulations favorable to insider corporations, who of course would contribute to key politicians allowing for an eventual control of the legislative branch. To keep the masses close enough to G-d to feel the divine presense, but unable to make the key connections that would allow the Christ Conscience to be activated within them. To also prevent the people of a country, or even the world from coming together as an unstoppable force.


Why are so many indications, in many of the ancient prayers texts giving thanks to a Her/Mother Earth? It appears 2000 years ago that G-d was believed to be a She and not a He.

Based on the dates thereof being pre Christ, it strongly appears that someone dinked with our Bibles, through hidden meanings and then perhaps wiped away the evidence from western culture. (The Great Library, Gnostic texts etc.) Evidence that could not be wiped out from Eastern cultures so is still found therein.

Therefore, if evil can incarnate, and no one can argue this point, why is not opposite a given as in mathmatics?[/SIZE] What some call the Christ conscience after an undeniable experience with the Divine. That is to say if evil Spirits can incarnate then why is the opposite not also true; mainstream Christianity seems to teach one, but denies the other. Eastern tradition with the same theme under Krishna allows for both, I believe, yet we're kept in the dark on Krishna and what's really tantamount to listening to G-d. Meditation and clearing our minds of all the material/political/egotistical issues on our mind to allow room to receive messages from the Divine.

Is this not, essentially, what the Cathars and other “Gnostics” taught? To me it now seems to be a very basic math/logic problem. (One with too many 'thou arts' and 'heretofores' and occult writing thrown in to muddy the waters. eg. "If thine eye be single then you shall be filled with light." Mainstream teaches one interpretation and the Gnostics teach this as the beginning of Gnosis.) [COLOR="Lime"]

Is this what Humpty Dumpty, the birth capable symbol with a fake mustach is about? G-d being inverted and the truth scattered about the globe and into various cultures?

Question to someone of the eastern tradition from someone of the western Christian.

An incredible experience while feeling and expressing emotional pain and concern for my incredible children, and the children of others. This resulted in images being jammed into my brain via triangles with a strong perception as to their meaning. It was 3 day 2 night experience that overall defies words, but left me with the feeling, at the time, that G-d was a female not male as we are taught. (Due to that which some of our culture deems 'feminine'/right brain: poetry, music, arts etc.)

The context was in a full eclipse of the moon. Part of it transpired in a dream when I fell out of bed imbued with a specific idea about a Mother Goose Nursery Rhyme.

Your culture comes much closer to mine in the 'Third Eye' experience. No people or entities, like Egg's, although I've always had an intuition that often was too accurate to be coincidental.

The Christian Gnostics too have provided a context/box that explains my experience; I feel sooo lucky to have been so blessed with this experience. I literally had one foot in the door of atheism due to my extensive history reads and being a science nerd.

One thing is certain, quasi-atheism ends a lot faster than it started and what we know as history and religion has many key truths buried quite deep and the PTB wants, no needs them to remain buried. They will stop at nothing to make sure their versions of the truth remain buried or at least those discovered are by friendly forces.

Thanks to Egg for sharing this incredibly well written story!


However, I was left wondering why no beings were involved? Why will it not manifest and let me take a peek? Is there nothingness to see? It was sure felt and 'seen' in non-anthopologicical ways. "It" was very mathmatical with several triangular images. Whatever "IT" was also left of gift of the ability to 'speak', read would be more accurate, the language of symbolics. Which coincidentally opened a window to another problem I'd been working on. What I soon learned was the invisible, yet omnipresent, Illuminati, their lower-level secret societies and their ever present tactics literally hidden in plain sight; in stories, 'classic' movies like the Wizard of Oz and Mother Goose nursery rhymes.[/SI

So many basic stories looked completely different and not so innocent. If I could have my pick for humanity I'd like to transcend the "Zum Gali, Gali, Zum Gali Gali" phase this time around. And, if humanly possible, to let the proverbial Mouse keep running "Up the clock" well past '2012'. To send Mary's little lamb, whose fleece may be white, but inside the hearts are black as coal. The one that followed her FROM school one day and makes the children laugh and play games, at her expense. This is causing much grief to young teens in what appears to be 'bullying' group bullying, but is sometimes very well organized mobbing against a chosen target.

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Thanks taadev... I wouldn't swing to the absolute feminine to conceptually describe God. The One God is a balance of complimentary forces at the spiritual level... male and female. Man was made in the image of God "male and female created 'he' them".

Within each polarity is a complimentary polarity. That is, within every woman there is also a masculine side and within every male, a feminine side.

Another way to look at it is the soul in matter is feminine and the I AM Presence in spirit is masculine.

And this also.... .As the kundalini (the divine feminine) gently awakens and rises up the caduceus to the heart , the I AM Presence (the divine masculine) descends over the crystal cord into the heart. In that Divine Union in the heart the Christ is born. At first it is a 'babe' but it increases - by degrees - into full bloom and self-mastery as the soul accepts the guidance of christ-consciousness over the pull of the outer mind and emotions. In perfect union the Christed individual knows and declares: "I and my Father are One." "I and my Mother are One." (This is a useful mantra to give.)

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Very well put, milk and honey!

We will get there, putting all the pieces of the puzzle together.

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Great post egg thank you for sharing. Best advice I have ever received from another human.

Thanks again

Peace

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Very interesting to read this. The image of two forces combining is exactly what I concluded after hearing Gregg Braden talk about the heart as a resonator.

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We will Josefine thankyou !

Czymra, this is true and is the distinction i make when i insist that oppositional polarities are not 'One' except in essence which must be proven by transmutation. Complimentary forces are One and need only be realised within as they appear to conscious awareness.

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Superb EGG.

Great history.

I Enjoy and feel it very well.

May Yeshua'ha Mechaich be with all of Us. :roll1:

Cheers!

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Thanks for sharing your experience with us Egg.
Your nde occurred at a later age than mine, so maybe that's why you recalled more detail. I remember meeting someone important as well, but don't clearly remember all of the details of my experience to put them in a linear account. I recall lots of things, but they don't all fit together perfectly.

I hope that by sharing our experiences we can help others. I see that you've given food for thought to some here in this group. It's a lot easier to do it this way than to do it in person to friends and family. Would you agree?

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The concept of aliens cloning a being of pure love and light makes me howl with laughter. Cosmic humour indeed!

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Perhaps they taste better? :winksmiley02:

Seriously after spending too much time reading the thread from the 'hidden_hand pure blood line' on ATS, he dropped a suggestion that had crossed my mind. Triggered from being a past sci-fi fan and the character of the "Wraith" doing their periodic "harvest of souls".

If there was such a race, and there clearly is much evidence of, at least, an evil entity giving out 'magic' in exchange for sacrificed children, would not a coming planetary catastrophe be the perfect time?

"will it, [harvest], be positive or negative?"

I found it interesting such a superior intellect/blood line would omit the perspective from which he was referring and did make the assumption he was referring to that of the ascendee. (To me this sounded like he was speaking from his own "me too" perspective; it seemed like odd phrasing from a ruling family member.)

Also, why plant such a suggestion if he's not allowed to answer same?


Apologies for drifting even further OT!

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Amazing account of your NDE Egg. Thank you very much for sharing.

Just a quick question; did you remember your abductions before you had your NDE or was it all reaveled to you during your NDE?

Cheers, Jia.

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Thanks for sharing this Egg.

This experience of yours reminded me of Jodie Foster in "Contact" when she went through the wormhole. She met up with who she thought was her father. After awhile she said you are not my father are you. He said no I am not, we just thought it would be easier for you to see us this way.
It may have been Jesus you were with or maybe that is who you expected to see.
BTW I am a believer in Jesus, I just have trouble with the dogma and ceremonial stuff.

Also it reminds me of Dannion Brinkley's NDE s also. Wonderful.

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I am a big fan of the Teachings of Jesus. However...I am very suspicious regarding just about everything supernatural or paranormal. I don't doubt that there is supernatural activity(I have witnessed it myself)...but I have decided(for now, at least) that 90% of ufos, aliens, spirits, supposed deceased loved ones, supernatural activities, or supernatural experiences are not benevolent in nature...regardless of whether they seem to be beautiful, genuine, uplifting, spiritual...or otherwise. Even if I'm wrong...it wouldn't hurt to err on the side of caution. Focus on the highest levels of psychology and ethics. Be the best person you can possibly be. Learn as much as possible about everything. But shy away from actual supernatural experimentation or delving. I believe that malevolent entities are ready and willing to take advantage of us...and to ultimately destroy us. I guess I have an us vs them mentality. I know I'm paranoid...but that doesn't mean the reptillians(or whoever) are not out to get us...:sneaky2:

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What could be the motivation behind giving you beautiful experiences of a i.e. loved deceased one?

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This is good advice. Question everything. We have been thrown so much **** it over time it is wise to look through the chaff for the truth. Channelling is a prime example.

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Isn't it amazing the examples that the "good guys" use to waken those of us who are ready to listen?

When I was a teenager, there were four of us who were good friends. We used, among other things, to fly model aircraft. A new guy pushed his way into our group and I must confess I didn't particularly like his manner or the way he treated people. It wasn't too long before I dropped out of the group.

I heard some months later that on one occasion, this bloke's plane had fetched up in some high voltage power lines. Being the sort of person he was, he apparently climbed up to retrieve it and made contact with umpteen thousand volts. It seems he survived but had become somewhat of a vegetable.

Jump forward now about eight years. I'd married and was living about 20 miles from where I worked and traveled to and fro by bus. One night, I sat next to a rather odd looking chap who started telling me his life's story. He told me that when he was a young guy, he knocked around with a bunch of blokes and he mentioned their names.

I was shocked to attention, these were the guys I'd knocked around with. He then went on to tell me how they all flew model aircraft and one day, his plane finished up in high voltage power lines. He had climbed up to retrieve it but when he reached out to grab it, there was a blinding flash of white light and within it he saw Jesus.

Jesus then advised him to give up his life style and the way that he treated other people, and try to put others before himself. It was also suggested that he think only pure and loving thoughts.

Up until this time I had been very skeptical of the Bible's contents - particularly on the topic of Jesus. But having known this fellow, and what he had been like years before, I was impressed with his conviction that he had actually been spoken to by Jesus in person. An individual who, like myself, he hadn't believed in.

That night, on the bus, on my way home from work, I had a moment of revelation that changed my life and beliefs for ever. For which I am eternally thankful.

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It just seems that we are very vulnerable and guillible regarding death and loved ones. Consider the selling of indulgences...church attendance and offerings connected with 'salvation'...promises of heavenly bliss and threats of eternal torment in hell...expensive seminars on death and dying...seances...etc. My bias is that we live in a haunted planet(Google 'John Keel' or 'Peggy Kane') and that we have a spiritual war on our hands. The benevolents seem to be limited to mostly observing, refereeing, and possibly blocking nuclear or biological extinction events. The malevolents seem to have much more access to us...and that they can represent themselves as being that which they are not. I currently think we get recycled back into this madness...regardless of whether we are good or bad. My father saw his recently deceased brother in a dream, who said, 'It's not so bad to die'. These thoughts are not original...but they have stood the test of time in my mind, at least. My truth is my truth...and your truth is your truth...as 'they' say. I don't know...just be careful. Dier beware.

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Wow Brinty, thanks for sharing that.

Orthodoxymoron, how comes you value the statement of your dad's brother in a dream above the other 'dead people apparitions'? It's the same thing I'd assume?

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I don't. It was a dream. A perception of reality does not equal reality. Thinking that one knows does not equal actually knowing. I'm just saying to be careful. Think thrice before you reach down the snake-hole.

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I have been asked how can I be so sure of life after death. The answer is simple - I have (to me) incontrovertible proof. It happened this way: when I was around 17 years old, my father told me one day that in his earlier life he had been a member of the Masonic Lodge and in the event of his death, his documents and regalia needed to be returned to the Lodge.

He then took me out to our garage and showed me a black enamel metal tube about 18 inches long and a couple of inches in diameter, and said that everything that was in it was what needed to be returned to the Lodge. He then put the tube up in the rafters.

By the rime I was in my late twenties, I had developed, like dad, an interest in photography. We used to swap slides and compare cameras lenses. One birthday he presented me with a tripod which was contained in the same black metal tube.

From this I decided that he'd changed his mind about his stuff needing to be returned to the Lodge. Well, dad died when I was 37, and a few weeks after his passing, my sister and I were discussing dad and how he had been a bit of a character. She then frowned and told me that she was concerned about something.

I asked her what, and she said that dad visits her at night and he talks so loud that she's afraid he'll wake mum. I asked her why he would talk to her when he and I had been so close. It was then that she dropped the bombshell that turned convinced me of life after death.

A few nights before we were having this discussion, dad had told her that he no longer had any time for me because I had not carried out his wishes. I asked my sister if he'd told her what those wishes had been and she replied that it concerned the return of his Lodge stuff.

I suddenly remembered the episode in our garage all those years ago and said that I thought he'd changed his mind about it when he gave me the tube with the tripod in it. She said, "No, that must have been a second tube. The one he showed you is still where he put it, but he didn't tell me where that was.

We straight away went out to the garage and after a bit of fumbling about located the tube with the contents still in it. My sister duly carried out dad's wishes and returned the tube to his Lodge.

So there is my reason for my conviction that there is life after death. Shortly after this my older step-brother died and dad didn't bother my sister again. I still don't know whether this was because of her actions in sending his Lodge stuff back, or the death of my step-brother. Either way he is getting on with his life and I guess, now that my sister has joined him, they are waiting for me, because I keep getting warm fuzzies every time I think of them together.

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Thank you for sharing your so very real NDE experience with Jesus. I always include "the Love, Light, and Warmth" of Jesus Christ now in my prayers and meditation and do get a gentle energy response. Simple but powerful.

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EGG,

Thank you. I have been AWOL from Avalon for awhile now and your post really had an impact on me.

(unrelated to why I was AWOL but) Recently, I asked my Creator for some "sign posts" you might say. He did and He used you as a "sign post planter". Thank you.

HUGS and LOVE

-John aka#404

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#404: Your quote is priceless:

"I will decide what is ridiculous. I believe everything and I believe nothing. I suspect everyone and I suspect no one. I gather the facts, examine the clues, before you know it, the case is solved." - Inspector Clouseau :smoke:

Thank-you #404!

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You are welcome... one of my favorite quotes from my favorite actor and movie series. Take care.

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dear Egg, many thanks for sharing your wonderful experience with us;
even though I'm not religious, I feel very close to Jesus and I believe that is what helped me stay on the positive side even when I was young and "acting" as if I weren't,
I hope your health is well,
ciao

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Ets cannot effect the soul, only the container.

The soul is the only energy that cannot be altered.

Macros

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Citation from macros:"the soul is the only energy that can't be altered" If it can't be altered ,how do you explain reincarnation ?

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The two faces of Faith.Faith even if it means"to believe in what is unblievable" can accomplishes miracles,this is a mystery of this life.But faith has also created enormous injustices,mostly by the 3 monotheistic faiths.Ask American natives or any natives in this world;And they are still using their power to subjugate common people.

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PMH Atwater on BTO

thank you for sharing this experience!

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The processes have been allowed for 30 years,at least

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Good, clever point solitaryman :)

The soul is here to remember who it is and what it is. Only through experience does the soul become more of its truest form and remember more about its power and ability. The energy of the soul may change in its colour and frequency but the essence remains and cannot be changed.

Innit!
:)

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So,how do you define energy?

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In this case i would define energy as representing the spark, the light, the aspect that is from the creator - what is called the soul.

The soul is always connected to the source. You are god and god is you. Only difference being - you need to experience the creation of god in order to remember more about yourself "your spark" and in this way you journey closer back to the source - you become more and more of that which god is.

Onnit :)

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If you were a cityzen of nothingness, let say Nothingburg,are you real?How much energy the people of Nothingburg needs ?

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Dont quite get the last part of your question solitaryman.

To do nothing cannot be done. Doing nothing requires energy too. If you where a citizen of nothingness and was aware of this then you would still require energy to appreciate it.

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lol beautiful answer - a citizen of nothingness would still require energy to appreciate it or to be bored

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To be in in Nothingness. means Nothing.You are Nothing.How can you do something in nothingness?mostly when you are nothing?

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magic lol

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:)

Thanks RedeZra :)

:)