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msv 11-28-2008 07:52 PM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
The battle that I see happening is that the "elders" are stepping up to the plate to take back their long lost authority and planetary guidance after generations of damage by younger souls whose need for power, dominance, greed, division, etc have left a wasteland physically, mentally and spiritually in desparate need of restoration. Young souls aren't happy about it ...good! It has been so painful to sit back for over 50 years and watch all this happening and be powerless to do anything about it. I though the Cuban crisis was the doorway to restoring balance, then the hippies and after that it felt all was lost, but here we are on the threashold of that restoration of balance and authority back where it should be with the sto "elders".

sleepingnomore 11-28-2008 08:42 PM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Love is indeed a powerful force but it will not neutralise the threat of all other forces. A force can be transformed if it cooperates. Some forces need to be dissapated. Food for thought.

conjuredUp 11-28-2008 08:52 PM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greybeard (Post 87779)
Spiritual war is not possible.
You can make war on people who are endevouring to be spiritual but war is an imposability between two truly spiritual people or groups or whatever as the main principals are love and forgivness

Spiritual truth does not need to be justified or defended it just is -- absolute.

Bravo!

LOVELOVELOVE,
C

Frank Samuel 11-28-2008 09:01 PM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Having the courage to step into enemy territory with the heart of love and forgiveness is not welcome but when found to be genuine it melts the hearts of your worse enemy. I seem Iraelis and Palistanies embracing each other with genuine love, knowing that hate and revenge is not the way. Few can forgive the enemy let alone learn to love your opressor. As Mandela and Tutu taught us this heart melt the hate and mended the wounded hearts of a whole country.:wub2:

efields 11-28-2008 09:05 PM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 88175)
Thanks. You blew my mind with this response.

Perhaps I have been looking at this the wrong way.

Yeah he definitely nailed it..

The what are called the negative responses are really always out best friends. They are showing us where we are still asleep. It something brings us out of our bliss it shows us we need to give attention to the response that this 'barb' was able to 'move' us. Thus the need to respond to attack shows us areas we are still asleep. We have areas of ignorance in our own consciousness that need awakening for surely there is no response that should have the power to move us from our center of Bliss. So all 'upsetting' energies are our best friends as they offer the opportunity for us to Grow past the faulty response that would cause us to 'argue' the position at all.

Whenever we are suffering, we are asleep. It our task to awaken. When we come across a challenge that upsets us, and makes us unhappy or we perceive that we are injured, we have 'forgotten ' our true nature . We have lapsed into the condition of 'sleep'. 95% of the collective is asleep most of the time. How does one know they are asleep? They 'suffer'. When we suffer we have been given a great gift. We have been shown an area of our being that has 'forgotten', and needs to be brought to awareness. Thus awakened the pain is transformed to Love with our awareness and we become a more powerful light to shine on the 'forgetting' of the world. Our job in this incarnation is to remain Awake as much as possible. This has been termed Enlightenment. How does one know if they have achieved Enlightenment? They have ceased 'suffering'. This the great need of this world. To have the collective Awaken. To have awareness. To cease the needless suffering that ensues as they are sleeping... ...

efields 11-29-2008 12:28 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
It would be great if we could awaken before the harvest. To have as many wake up before that is our greatest goal and importance.

deb003 11-29-2008 12:42 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Sorry, I mean this one. :original:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfYMI97ksdg

conjuredUp 11-29-2008 06:09 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Circlewerk (Post 88172)
What is that force?
And is battling it the same as being a rock, trying to battle a river, by throwing itself into it?

I used to agree totally, Janitor, I used to think that all it took was love. I do adore me some good love..

However, I am finding that once I label something, be it love or hate, I have given power to not only that thing, but also it's opposite.
They exist on the same stick, although polar ends of it, making it unclear as to which is which or if they are even different outside of their man made names.

What if, we observe life unconditionally, with no emotional attachment such as love or hate..what then?
What if, we are that force that we battle, by labeling and thinking everything is or must be known?
What if, in an objective, neutral place, we realize we are the force and that surrendering to it, is all that is necessary to harmonize?

The mind wants to compete, to challenge, the mind wants to identify & think that it knows, the mind thinks in terms of becoming, as if now isn't enough..

What if the real beauty of oneness, beyond the egos, beyond time, is in the humility of uncertainty?

War is desire. War is fear. War is insecurity and shame and belief.

And they are all illusions that house the man in his mind, away from his highest vibration, that river that flows regardless of the rocks, without consequence.

What we know of love, probably pales in comparison to it's enormous, unfixed truth.
Can we be okay emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, where the unknown is what is?
I have a feeling there is no war there.

Peace~
CW


My gods, woman.
As if I could have observed you more...

macrostheblack 12-03-2008 12:14 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
There is no spiritual war here as far as I can see.

Just a large group of spiritual people.

We all have questions and concerns dont we.

Were all here on this site to help, assist and heal.

Macros

Machinamentum 12-03-2008 01:22 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
I would like to say that a majority of us here all have something in common, whither you would consider it to be an opposite side or conflicting view. I feel that if your on this forum, we all share a common idea or feeling. Somewhere along the line we all encounter experiences separate from one another. Paradigms are many and we all have free will.

So we all need to share a common respect amongst our self's. To be able to comprehend most any valid argument here and debate it means, somewhere you need it one way or another from whom ever that may be.

Resistance is sometimes necessary to strengthen your personal spirituality. If you feel like your loosing a debate think about it (you only want to better yourself and have joy) you can't be stable with broken ideas.

Which brings me to another point.

I've sacrificed far far far more that 12 Mother Fu#kn dollars a year to get my ideas out to people, to teach and empower, to the best of my ability and for people who need it the most.

I am not in any way trying to defend the complete idiots. :smoke:

taadev 12-03-2008 01:40 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 87811)
Yes, there is.

What about those in the battle on the streets?

Are there just too many to support unless they've some alien/abductee/ storyline?

These people can be usually identifed by their casting what's going on negatively via metacommunications. i.e. Mental illness, foolishness. Curiously, just like the mainstream media.

Metacommunications are their number one tool. Eye rolls and other hints that only fools would believe what the witness has said.

davefla73 12-03-2008 02:03 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
same thing happens on any internet blog type site , people always have to Flame eachother, over the stupidist ****.

taadev 12-09-2008 11:51 AM

Re: Is there a spiritual war going on in Avalon?
 
Yes, this is indeed a microcosm of our political culture complete with people playing the role of the 'Generals' in our completely corrupted media, supported by 'officers' watching for potential threats and ground 'troops' that take various actions against same.
It's far better to nip 'threats', in the bud, lest The People catch on to their known leaders being 'killed off'. Metaphorically speaking, of course.:winksmiley02:

In one roll, ever smiling, the 'Generals' gathering credibility from their audience by various proven, and layered methods, and, as required, casting doubt on key truths by throwing negative meta-communications, seemingly aimed at one target, when in reality they are "speaking", indirectly, to the audience.

Also, stealing the time of some lest they have time to find the pearls buried in the completely concocted garbage heap of 'knowledge'.

Recall the eye-rolls when Ron Paul was spoken of on the main stream media? Just one example, meta-communicating those that believe in the single candidate with integrity are just fools?

Another key emotive phrase with which, I've come to learn, is indicative of something needing further research is 'anti-Semite'. (ie. as with David Cole whose sick mother was threatened when he dared to research the Holocaust and found very information very unpopular with those that control our media.)

In psychology we learn that most people are of good heart and the rare manifestation are those we call sociopaths; those without heart, or are just 'doing their job'.

Thank G-d they are indeed rare, but do we not need to learn to identity them and their indirect tactics, so as to know when we've likely just heard the truth? Do we have time enough to do otherwise?


Is this a war? Of course it is, it's a war against truth, where, just like in battle, the best defense is a good offense, and is best done with help, except instead of wounded soldiers we have wounded truths.

Bottom line, of course there's a war going on, a war of mind share, against truth seekers of limited time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rareheart (Post 87802)
Yes.
In a way...and it's been said before...this forum is a microcosm of the 'real' world. What we are seeing here is a 'miniature' representation of world politics and opinions.

As far as "war"...hmmmm... I don't think so. (my opinion)



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