Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 87252)

You ought to be kidding, St. Clair! I have seen plenty of media slander on Obama, to put it mildly. It tells me that slander is standard fare in all of our media these days.

'Oecumenical Christianism' is not a very precise term. I seem to remember that Leo Zagami claimed that Oecumenism is run by the Vatican and the Jesuits, and that their meetings have weapons trading as a side show.

What I know about the Oecumenical movement, is that it has the Roman Catholic Church as a driving force. The Vatican regards all protestant groups as heretical, lost sheep that will understand that the Pope is their one and only shepherd.

Originally Posted by Heretic (Post 87142)

I have been following both sides of the Obama issue since he and Hillary were in the spotlight together

I watched the Sinclair stuff emerge, and wondered why Hillary didn't take that and run with it. Even if it were all LIES he backlash alone could have won her the nomination.

I saw the Muslim accusations go by and nuthin

and then this birth certificate thing, again nuthin coming from the political arena

folks these are the same people who tried to connect him with terrorists organizations to win an election

yet nothing on such a simple solution as his place of birth

this issue that has seen tons of legal action throughout the election by various groups yet all were legally blocked left and right, and it is rather odd that one would desire to withhold showing their birth certificate in such an time as an election when just showing it would stop all these inquiries and accusations in the first place

even more strange is the complete lack of interest in the opposing team that has no problems saying "he rubs elbows with known terrorists"

either he has adequate credentials and they have been checked and accepted by those who would see him fail


Which is the stance many Obama defenders take, and they may very well be right and maybe there is just alot of believable dis-information floating around which is natural for a election year, we cant count out the possibility of error when emotions are high, political events such as elections are engineered to heighten people's emotional state; so personally I accept this as a possibility, and in this case Obama's actions confuse me...so I can see the propensity for suspicion and if Obama was not your pick for the presidency then of course you can compound that suspicion towards conspiracy theories; seems natural


OR


"They" are aware of his fraudulent credentials meaning there must be an agenda going on in which the opposing team is participating in as well


and if the latter is the case, then we have good cause to worry because then we are all witnessing another staged event to get someone "chosen" into office, not that this has not happened over and over already

I just read the "voice of the white house" over at tbrnews.org today. I read an aticle called A Knife in the Dark and learned that some of the angry hard core GOP "criminals" are going out and funding racists and or Obama opposing organizations to get them to do their dirty work for them by promoting deep resentment against Obama, and perhaps even pulling a trigger



The Klan is experiencing a major resurgence and the economy and other current domestic issues are contributing to their anger and conviction not to mention that the white race may not be the dominant race in America in another generation.

Wouldn't it just be the kicker, that the assassination of the first black American president, was already planned to be used to send everyone over the edge and create a need for the martial law they so seem to want, and all the actions that follow which we have already considered in other conspiracy theories

it would also be a great blow for internet censorship since the internet was used to incite many hate crimes, giving them a reason to further their internet regulation schemes

Hate crime legislation would be called for as a solution to the increasing tensions between black and white, the same hate crime legislation we see as conspiracy theories today

come to think of it, it could move their agenda ahead a great deal in many areas

were he assassinated it would send this nation into absolute chaos, perhaps even worse then Kennedy

we all know order comes from chaos, an order that could be viewed as salvation by the sheep?

and if they character assassinated him before the nation by removing him due to a supreme court ruling on his birth certificate, that too could suffice into sending this nation into absolute chaos as well

enough for martial law perhaps?

I'm not saying I like the man, but look at his following and the effects he has already had in the geopolitical arena, and determine the backlashes of a blow like this

all the while the people who were REALLY meant to be in office got to move in finally as originally intended, and you can tell from recent MSM news on Hillary she is already frothing at the mouth over the Sec. State position and has probably already moved her desk in the office without even having the title yet

I agree that there is alot going on here, and the birth certificate thing is a huge deal, but I think there are bigger things happening here and this new presidency is under NO such scrutiny so far, better to be asking why Palin or Hillary didn't jump on this. Palin, bless her heart, was probably pulling her hair out to keep from saying anything about it if indeed there is a conspiracy here

Suspect Obama ONLY if you will, I suspect the whole damn thing, and I am more suspicious of the WHOLE group of people who have also not called his credentials into question more than just an agenda in which just a president elect lied about his place of origin

Paranioa?

Originally Posted by StClair (Post 87237)

Dear Friends...


EagleSpirit is correct with the statement here.





Look friends, Bodhisattva is correct too, and if she has the courage to point out the elephant in the room that everyone wants to pretend does not exist, then I salute her for that fortitude. She is one of the few who does not hesitate to do what is right.

Excellent points made by HERETIC in his/her post.

I would like to add to those who keep repeating the lies about Palin that Mrs. Palin is of an Oecumenical Christianism type that has nothing at all to do with what she was accused of. Everything the media made up about her has been debunked by now.

Let it rest now. Ask yourself only this: If the mass media (controlled by you know who) attacked and smeared and slandered the Palins in such blatant ways, does that not tell you something?

We had a member here in the early days who knew the Palins for decades and he wrote about it and I posted it in threads that were deleted. Also if you know what Lindsey Williams stated about oil worldwide and oil in Alaska and connect these dots you ought to get the true picture without me stating the obvious.

I agree we can move on. Lady Bodhi, you agree? We move on? Let them figure it out....

If you want to keep goin and find out more, you can count me in to back you up. I think McCain and Palin have signalled we can let it rest, things will sort themselves out in the most surprising manners soon is all i can "predict"no pun intended...

Peace

Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 87307)

Oh boy, bodhishattva! I think people know why they are here and when it is time to go. I think what is keeping people here is the hope of an open exchange of opinions, this is what the idea of a democracy is all about.
Do you feel that those who disagree with you should not be here? That is what one may call a democratic deficit.

Originally Posted by bodhisattva (Post 87311)

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

Originally Posted by bodhisattva (Post 87311)

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

Originally Posted by John aka#404 (Post 87393)

[mod hat off here]

Bodhisattva,

I just wanted to say thank you for standing up for what you question in life. I too have been questioning this whole "BO" thing since the beginning of this year. I have made varying posts elsewhere on this forum about this issue, but will not deter here.

I understand that many folks out there will hold on to the first glimpse of hope without questioning intentions, agenda, etc. And guess what... it looks like "tptwb" (the powers that wanna be - lower case intentional) have created the perfect "problem-reaction-solution" here (ie. Bush/Neocons/et al -> get the masses in a tizzy of despair -> accept the first glimpse of hope).
[the opposite can be true too... BO and team are really white knights of truth (ie. keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer) -- if so, would they play the same games as those they oppose? and if they are... does that feel right ? Not for me. We all are much better than that.]

Unfortunately, in today's world this whole matter being questioned has of course included the race card and really... we all are much better than that. Why can we not question all of these blatant cover-ups ? The FACT that reactions occur so quickly should be the red flag. Something is up here.

I also want to say, ignore those that want to badger on about moving on or "who cares". It is not about disrespect - it is like Bodhisattva has said... let's be "... totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog." This is how we should all be engaged here (and the forum as a whole). Some folks, however, feel it is their duty to throw stones here and there. Let them... and ignore them.

Thank you Heretic and Michael for your input on this issue as well.

peace, love and HUGS all around.

-John
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Originally Posted by Lotus (Post 87487)

Ask yourself a simple question, do you think Obama's worried that some people on a forum think his birth certificate is fake?

This issue was trumpeted on right wing blogosphere and he still got elected.

Berg's lawsuit was thrown out.

What's all this complaining supposed to achieve?

Look how long we've been inundated with reams of info about the 9/11 conspiracy, and what's happened officially? Nothing.

So dream on.:sleep_1:

Originally Posted by broken arrow (Post 87589)

the cat and mouse live in the house.

how many mice can one cat scurry?

why do they run in such a hurry?

this is a hunt not a stunt.

who bears the brunt?

confuscate the constitution.

therein lies the final solution.

if ye be bold thou shall be told.

the cat is fat and it is old.

all the bubbles, toils and troubles.

the mice do thirst and the cat doth burst.

full of this and that 1,2,3, too much fat.

had enough?

what's the skinny?

need more cowbell?

ding dong clang.

join the gang.

Originally Posted by bodhisattva (Post 87507)

Nope, I don't think Obama gives a rats ass about our opinions on this forum....but I suspect he is a tad bit concerned about what the Supreme Court might rule.

Originally Posted by Lotus (Post 87557)

Don't have to be psychic to predict they will throw it out!

Originally Posted by broken arrow (Post 87613)

Myra,

i do LOVE your avatar. been meaning to say so. been waiting for the opportunity. :original:

peace. :wub2:

Originally Posted by Myra (Post 87610)

Oh I get it. The Extreme Reich-Wing is so desperate for an Obama sabotage because none of their other bogus attempts worked, so they are depending on their illegitimate wishes to be granted by a Bush-stacked Supreme Court.

Whining sore losers....

Originally Posted by Lotus (Post 87487)

Ask yourself a simple question, do you think Obama's worried that some people on a forum think his birth certificate is fake?

This issue was trumpeted on right wing blogosphere and he still got elected.

Berg's lawsuit was thrown out.

What's all this complaining supposed to achieve?

Look how long we've been inundated with reams of info about the 9/11 conspiracy, and what's happened officially? Nothing.

So dream on.:sleep_1:

Originally Posted by bodhisattva (Post 87311)

No, I am referring to the people who post comments like, "who cares", or "move on"....I am totally open to open minded, informed and intelligent dialog. Heretic, is a great example of that. My comments were directed at people who don't seem to care about this issue, and I question why they would bother with their comments in the first place. When I see posts I don't care about, I don't take the time to make a "who cares" comment, I do move on.

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 87914)

The fact that you are stuck on something that has been disproven countless times, is proof that you need to let it go.

If you don't like the opinions of other people, then you shouldn't be posting topics like this. It's an open forum and opinions like "who cares?" and "move on" are opinions too, that as unfavorable as they may be to you, are often the opinions of people who are sick and tired of this forgery thing being dragged on.

Since when did this become a forum for nothing but baseless speculation and tin-foil hat theories?

The more you drag it on, the more negative energy you create and nothing gets done.

Originally Posted by Heretic (Post 87993)

I find it ironic that those who are wanting to "move on", and "not care" keep coming back here to post nonconstructive comments. adding nothing but disapproval and criticism And I thought constructive conversation was the point of these forums. To add to a thread, and not detract. To walk away with tolerance and not defame with criticism and contempt, a thread you find you may disagree with is the very basis of this forum.

Originally Posted by Lotus (Post 87557)

Don't have to be psychic to predict they will throw it out!

Originally Posted by davefla73 (Post 88173)

JUST like they will Throw out the rest of you rights and the small parts of the constution thats left! glad that dont bother you. ......Do i smell sheep? hmmm:wall: