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Celtic_Man 12-02-2008 12:37 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Perhaps someone could recommend a commercially available Bug-out kit to start with? And then add items later.

After doing a search the amount of items needed are quite high and would take a lot of time putting it together.

Some of the 'kits' I looked at seem to be missing some items that survivalist buffs recommend.

--
Keith

Sol Invictus 12-02-2008 02:59 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
I am in shock.

:jawdrop:


No really I am absolutely being 100% honest with you.

First aid kit.
Water purification.
Fire starting.
Wood cutting tool/work tool/knife.
Personal shelter tarp and bivvie bag.
Fishing / trapping kit.
Navigation kit.
Renewable light source and emergency light source back up.
Clothing.
Food stuffs.
kelly kettle/cooking equipment and a boil cup/tin.
Anything else you consider you will need such as whistle, mirror, luxury items to help you on your journey...

Its able to be put together in a month at most - If you have the money to buy a 'commercial BOB' you have the money to make a much better and low weight BOB your self.

Humble Janitor 12-02-2008 09:27 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Wow, lots of great information in here. I'm still overwhelmed by what I'm reading as it sounds like I'd need a backpack with a very decent carrying capacity and all that.

Let me propose a different scenario: What if one could use their car as shelter? The only problem would be gas and the possibility of running out of it. However, if one could convert a car to run on vegetable oil, it could be useful.

Just a thought. Again, I can see cars being an issue in regards to bugging out. I hate camping outside though.

And I agree, sol, on making your own bug out bag. I would rather go that route and use E-Bay to find bargains on equipment that I'd need for the BoB.

Humble Janitor 12-02-2008 09:35 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 88264)
I was sold after I tried on in the woods in the pouring rain and freezing cold. Some blast match applied to wet fuel, and bang, instant fire.

Good for 10 thousand uses. I mean, theres 365 days a year..... three fires a day every day is only 1095 uses.

Double it for safety and still...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRKzdSXH34

That vid got me onto it, brought a few and do not regret it at all.

I have to admit that this looks like a must-have for starting fires, though I agree with the other ways that can start fires (lighters, windproof matches, bow, etc).

Celtic_Man 12-02-2008 07:33 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 89775)
I am in shock.

:jawdrop:


No really I am absolutely being 100% honest with you.

First aid kit.
Water purification.
Fire starting.
Wood cutting tool/work tool/knife.
Personal shelter tarp and bivvie bag.
Fishing / trapping kit.
Navigation kit.
Renewable light source and emergency light source back up.
Clothing.
Food stuffs.
kelly kettle/cooking equipment and a boil cup/tin.
Anything else you consider you will need such as whistle, mirror, luxury items to help you on your journey...

Its able to be put together in a month at most - If you have the money to buy a 'commercial BOB' you have the money to make a much better and low weight BOB your self.

I understand what you're saying. I bought a BOB for about $80 with just about everything you mentioned. I only need to all more MRE's. My main goal is to be able to get from point A to point B and settle there.

capreycorn 12-02-2008 09:42 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 88828)
A juice press?

For the love of all thats good, why?

Your going to worry about your morning cup of orange juice with your toast over the papers?
A juice press.
.................................................. .... a juice press..:jawdrop:
omfg.
A juice press.

:mfr_lol:

ok,

say you run out of water and need fluid, mouth dry, etc.. pick berries, any thing edible and juicy. press and drink it..sun-dry the remains for food later when you feel like eating again and have found water..
the same goes on the ocean in a liferaft..no water, no dew?..but caught some seafood and happen to have a juice press? too thirsty to eat? press whatever little juicy sea-critter you found, drink the fluid and sun dry the rest for later when things get better.
it`s your teamaker, when you don`t have one or your nutcracker cum cup(won`t lose a rat`s bite of nuts with it)..(your hammer, your bat to beat up someone/something: depending on the material, should be metal, mine is grandma style real sturdy metal), your soup cup to hold over the fire, your sock dryer (press/hold over the fire ((not too long!))), a place to put some hot coal to heat your little tent (just a thought)

it`s even more useful for making herbal stuff.. medicine & wound potions..that`s when this tool will be worth its weight in gold (latest then).

what else? hmm:original:
(mac gyver and jackie chan would know)

capreycorn 12-03-2008 10:41 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
http://www.fcgapultoscollection.com/Giglis.jpghttp://img.nextag.com/image/TreeHelp.../594899731.jpghttp://img.nextag.com/image/Northern.../515899009.jpg

another item which goes into the bugout bag:
a WIRE SAW (rather a couple of them)

https://www.ecamo.co.uk/images/comando-wire-saw.jpg

it comes in different shapes and sizes...but it can do more than just cut wood.. it can be used as garrote and is good for various other things..the small ones take little space and are therefore also a good barter..

ps: the small ones come in packs of about this size and shape..
http://condomblogs.com/i/condomcustom.jpg

capreycorn 12-03-2008 11:27 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
http://www.copquest.com/45-1200_s.jpg
upon opening the bugout bag, this is what`s on top:
a fishing vest (or similar) (i went for a cheap one which says "pedigree pal" on it..since it came for free with a bulk of dog food)
the vest is already fully stuffed with the little but vital items no one wants to be searching for in the big bag...(rather wear it in case the bugout bag has to go for whatever reason)..
so it`s good to have some essentials in the vest pockets (something to cut and something to make fire)..essentials..like:
little knick lights, wire saw,various knives (folding), (swiss army knife..((which is not considdered as knife in the swiss army but as tool!))), compass, little first aid kit, pen, little notebook, little flashlight, lighters & matches, thermal blanket, thin plastic raincoat, a tiny shnaps (airline) bottle of javel water, (might want to have a tiny (airline) bottle of cognac too..whatever`s your favourite) a little power booster snack pack: guarana chocolate/dextrose/rocksugar,etc., maybe a little pocket radio, little pocket survival guide, small roll of fishing line .etc...etc...

ps: the bigger the vest, the better, so it can be just thrown comfortably over whatever winter coat one is wearing...
pps: whatever space is left, stuff it with condoms* and or kiddy balloons (to carry/collect water, blow up as floatation aid..etc..,zibloc bags...etc..
*in case things get really bad and one knows, that someone else will take away all possessions..the condoms (a couple) can be used to put in the lighter and the swiss army pocket knife...and then stick it in the pooper!...somebody stop me!:sweatdrop:

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http://farm1.static.flickr.com/19/91...11f9e92a98.jpg

capreycorn 12-04-2008 12:12 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
http://www.preisvergleich.ch/pimages..._876854_40.jpg
almost as good as a machete and a pickaxe..`
strapped to the bugout bag, this typical swiss gardening tool has proven to be also a good climbing aid ...and it sure is a awful weapon and a (meat) hook in one..
http://file044a.bebo.com/12/large/20...295399278l.gif

Sol Invictus 12-04-2008 05:16 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by capreycorn (Post 90518)

another item which goes into the bugout bag:
a WIRE SAW (rather a couple of them)

https://www.ecamo.co.uk/images/comando-wire-saw.jpg

it comes in different shapes and sizes...but it can do more than just cut wood.. it can be used as garrote and is good for various other things..the small ones take little space and are therefore also a good barter..

Now would that be a twisted noose, over the shoulder or drop garroting?

As for carrying a saw, ever see n a flexible hand 'chain saw'? I have two, and they work wonders on trees up to 12 inches thick.

As for the rest of your 'ideas' placing some thing up the posterior risks a blockage, and can lead to death in days.

Sol Invictus 12-04-2008 05:23 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2366/sawtm7.jpg


Just amazing. Got one after a field demo from a guy out in the Cairngorms - it was really bad weather and he was building a big fire. Trees went down like skittles.

dagon 12-04-2008 06:59 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ing/bugbag.jpg

divers call lobster, bugs. this is my bug bag. :naughty:

capreycorn 12-04-2008 07:28 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 90673)
As for the rest of your 'ideas' placing some thing up the posterior risks a blockage, and can lead to death in days.

:zip:
it should only be temporary ..lighter and knife should form one long "stick" not a wide pack (ooouch) like with a tampon use some fishing line dangling out go for the knife if both is too much..:mfr_omg:

http://www.neuetischkultur.de/images...60100146_1.jpgthe fishing line should be attached to that little key holder hole of the knife...the rest is "up to yours" fantasy...anyhow most probably such a stunt might not be necessary due to lack of time before one gets caught...better even to "never get there (caught)"..

http://nomadlife.org/uploaded_images...,00-717842.gif

capreycorn 12-04-2008 09:28 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dagon (Post 90705)
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ing/bugbag.jpg

divers call lobster, bugs. this is my bug bag. :naughty:

"that`s pretty close to your family`s treasure!..don`t these crabs try to snap at it?"

such a net / bag is a great thing to have as well...:thumb_yello:

capreycorn 12-04-2008 11:30 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
what comes in no bug out bag ..is your mind.. mental preparedness is as some have stated before absolutely vital.

the choice of things to pack may vary from one individual to the other (not everybody needs the same things..some can go without a fire for quite a while, others don`t) it all also depends on where one lives..(island,mountain,desert,city...) the things easyest to get hold of in the bag or fishing vest should be the ones first needed...in a city it may be the gun in the mountains a oxygen bottle, ropes and climbing gear...

..any given list of items to have in a bugout bag is good to get an idea of preparedness..it`s a good shopping list/memory aid...
but everyone must make his own choice.
just for example: some would say that the tool below is great! while i would avoid it and only use it if there`s not even a good knife around..(it`s just a personal thing)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3...ltitoolqp2.jpg


another thing is that one may want to prepare a second bug out backpack or even a third and fourth little bug out bag just to have separate elements ready, in case they are needed..like a chemical warfare suit and mask is in my "5th bag" ..doesn`t mean that i`ll take it if there`s surely no need for it..

the second back pack could also contain things that seem more luxury than necessity.. or it could be just the same thing as the first bag for plain redundancy (for the spouse..or newly met partner in trouble "together" - it could be your neighbor...because sometimes together is better) since a backpack can also be carried in the front ...you could carry one front and one back...until it gets too much or you`ve met your "companion"...

:sweatdrop:

davefla73 12-04-2008 11:40 PM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dagon (Post 90705)
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...ing/bugbag.jpg

divers call lobster, bugs. this is my bug bag. :naughty:

OH WOW, you got the worst case of parsites, in you nuts iv ever seen lol JK

dagon 12-05-2008 03:24 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by capreycorn (Post 90957)
"that`s pretty close to your family`s treasure!..don`t these crabs try to snap at it?"

such a net / bag is a great thing to have as well...:thumb_yello:


california spiny lobster don't have claws. but that do have a lot of horns and spines. the nice thing about wild game is there are no hormones and such. a cleaner way to eat. better for the environment. and its a gas to go get them. its the closest thing you can get to leaving the planet. the great escape. I recommend it highly. when Im not bug hunting Im spear fishing and free diving for abalone. no real need to stock pile food. unless the water get poisoned :thumb_yello:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...g_4721_740.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...g_4718_727.jpg [/IMG]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...thcoast003.jpg

dagon 12-05-2008 03:28 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
a closer look at the california lobster.http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...07bugzilla.jpg

dagon 12-05-2008 03:43 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Invictus (Post 90678)
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2366/sawtm7.jpg


Just amazing. Got one after a field demo from a guy out in the Cairngorms - it was really bad weather and he was building a big fire. Trees went down like skittles.


where can I find one of these? should be able to make one.

Sol Invictus 12-05-2008 04:18 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
I got mine from ebay.

Just used survival saw as a search parameter. They are awesome for large branches off pine trees - just lob it up over, grab either end, move to one side and its down in less effort than it takes to go climb the tree with a normal saw.

capreycorn 12-05-2008 07:13 AM

Re: Bug-Out Bags (Survival Backpacks)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dagon (Post 91081)
california spiny lobster don't have claws. but that do have a lot of horns and spines. the nice thing about wild game is there are no hormones and such. a cleaner way to eat. better for the environment. and its a gas to go get them. its the closest thing you can get to leaving the planet. the great escape. I recommend it highly. when Im not bug hunting Im spear fishing and free diving for abalone. no real need to stock pile food. unless the water get poisoned :thumb_yello:



wow these lobsters are big!:thumb_yello:

seeing those california spiny lobsters, I
almost had to guess who catched who..:mfr_lol:
http://a.bebo.com/app-image/66099275.../70/149012.gif


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