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Magamud

11-07-2008 02:01 AM

Re: Holographic planes vs the real thing?

Woh bro, were you the one who thought of swamp gas illusion for UFO's. Umm nevermind:smoke:

dataeast

11-07-2008 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Magamud (Post 73054)

Woh bro, were you the one who thought of swamp gas illusion for UFO's. Umm nevermind:smoke:

So, how does one produce a hologram in the open air on a sparkling clear sunny day, that produces a radar return?

:wink2:

EDIT:

I gather you never actually visited or viewed anything that was posted. Very telling.

Magamud

11-07-2008 02:18 AM

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Ya im a retard and please disregard everything I have suggested. Wild fantasy really. You will need scientific proof of such things. This place is a tyrants technocratic wet dream. A tyrant could always keep you in the dark by hording scientific knowledge. Keeping one step ahead of you.

Good luck

feeler

11-07-2008 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dataeast (Post 72767)

Here's the overall WTC area:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/FEMA...parts-full.jpg

A piece of the lattice/facade with a wheel embedded into it:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-70...panel-full.jpg

The link with more debris images:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/aircraftpartsnyc911

Ground Zero:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/grou...lssortingopera

The main page "Links for 9/11 Research":
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home

From the same disinfo site [wtc7lies] dataeast provided: In Figure 7-69, why was the person's right foot photo-shopped out?

Look at the missing right foot of the person in white shirt, black pants, carrying a black hand bag.

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http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69...tor-s-full.jpg

Note: dataeast, I will not retract my prior description of you [i.e. a "shill"].

-feeler

Magamud

11-07-2008 04:48 AM

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Nice one Feeler. The way Dataeast was responding was like some coverup agent trying to stop people from investigating. Weird. Man I just dont get it sometimes, with all the NWO deceit you would think people could synthesize the huge amounts of information and at least be able to speculate the possiblity/probability of Sci Fi holograms. Thinking on it has allowed me to see the incredible deception media can do and understand deeper the power of this MATRIX.

A weird perception to point. The more I come to see the planes as holograms the easier it was to see that they actually were. Another metaphor is with the towers falling. The more I got into the demolition perspective the clearer it was to actually see it was demolition, to the point of DUH! Im breaking my goddamn brain washing. Free your mind and your ass will follow eh?

samncheese

11-07-2008 05:02 AM

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Let me make one thing clear, there has been a lot of hoaxes on both side of any of these issues. To find the truth we all need to look at the evidence with the best analisis that we can give it and let the truth lead us, no mattter were it leads us.

Planes/no planes there is still some very odd things that look like an inside job, at the WTO.

Be at peace

samncheese

11-07-2008 03:04 PM

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Dear feeler: feel sorry for someone that can't tell the hind end of a woman with her toes pointing forward...black slacks with black shoes form a leg. when the butt of a person is facing the camera it usually means that the toes are pointing the other way....

Portofino

11-07-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Callidon (Post 72162)

Sweet lord of mercy people really will latch on to anything regardless of how ludicrous it is.

"What proof can you point to in supporting the use of planes? None of the video I watched convinced me of real planes. The plane holes on -both- buildings were located on the computer floors, ideal locations for the black op team to rig the exterior columns with explosives to create plane-shape cutouts."

Honestly the single most ridiculous thing i have read on here, and perhaps, anywhere, ever.

It boggles my mind that people think this. The planes were tracked independantly via radar, there are thousands of eyewitneses, the physical evidence from the vids/pics/wreckage of the towers supports the inclusion of the planes.

Agreed, the manner of collapse and explanation that it was the planes that caused the actual collapses is highly suspect, but to think people would make light and fantastic claims over a serious world shattering event like this makes me not only deeply concerned but horrified and sickened.

The beliefs/views i have on the 9/11 event do not try to trivialize it in any way, they do not try to make it into some fantastical magical mystery of lights and sound. Its deception over the truth of the manner of collapse, and the evidence of who was really behind it.

Lest not you forget that hundreds of people, people with families, some of which may be present on this very forum, died onboard those planes and thousands more in the buildings. I cannot countenance anyone making claims that trivialize the pain and misery brought upon the victims families on that day.

You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves, and get back on track with the disclosure of the real issues.

I think the victims families would like to know the truth. If there is evidence that the planes were not real they would want to know that. Didn't you see the early version of loose Change where 2 of the planes were still flying by the seial number on the tail. The idea of saving the families from more misery was used to stop an investigation of 9 /11 in the first place. The groups representing the victims are not telling anyone they should be ashamed of themselves for bringing forth evidence. They want it all out. There is probably as much evidence (including Operation Northwoods) that there were no planes.

samncheese

11-07-2008 04:30 PM

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Well put...You talk about victims, but were they killed in an explosion or murdered by our gov? A guy comes forward and says holograms...ok but he didn't dot all the i's. I don't think for a second that if the gov was willing to kill a few thousand for this and let him talk freely without an accident befalling him. Come on folks let's wake up and use our heads.

The man that called home just before his plane went down, I am refering to the "let's go guy" that the movie was made around, I saw him in vision 9 months before it happened and believe that was a real hijacking situation. I also saw large winged missles hitting the WTO in the same vision. visions can be very enlightening but are not hard evidence.

No, the real truth is still out there and we need to keep looking.

MusicLover

11-07-2008 06:05 PM

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Either way this is pretty interesting.I kinda feel bad now for thinking John Lear was a nutball.
True or not....this was done by The American Government.Its just a matter of finding out how the hell they did it.

feeler

11-07-2008 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 73561)

I don't feel sorry for your not being able to tell the right leg of the person, through photoshopping, has been shortened, rounded, and blurred at the end. -feeler

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69...tor-s-full.jpg

feeler

11-07-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 73222)

Let me make one thing clear, there has been a lot of hoaxes on both side of any of these issues.

Make yourself clear. What hoaxes have you been exposed to on both sides? Provide two lists, one for each side please.

-feeler

samncheese

11-07-2008 08:52 PM

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There are more people putting up on the internet fake photos of aliens than alpha-bet agencies taking them out of photo's. The fact that you can't tell which way a little old lady is facing shows how important it is to really Think about what is being said and then testing the science behind it. Your supposition dosen't hold up, and it has no validity to your claim. For all anyone knows the photo is from a plane crash somewhere else.

You are hell bent on it being holograms, there for any evidence to the contrary is false, this is not science or seeking the truth, it is a witch hunt. Feeler I implore you to just seek truth and let it guide your path. I have stated that something is not right with the WTC collaps, but logic says the true answers haven't been disclosed yet.

Be at peace

dataeast

11-07-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by feeler (Post 73188)

The woman has her back to us, why would you expect to see her foot when it has been foreshortened?

I would not place any faith on your perceptual abilities if you cannot discern the front or backside of a person.

Might you be the misdirection artist?

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Originally Posted by feeler (Post 73188)

Note: dataeast, I will not retract my prior description of you [i.e. a "shill"].

-feeler

That's a compliment coming from you and of course it's innuendo, unless you regard anyone else who challenges your arguments as a shill. I would not even credit you with misdirection in the above case because I sincerely think that you believe your own BS. Instead of trying to assassinate my character which works against you btw, why don't you come up with another line of tact, like say a worthy argument?

Getting emotional isn't any way to form an objective viewpoint.

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Originally Posted by Magamud (Post 73207)

Be careful in whom you believe, verify everything.

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Originally Posted by feeler (Post 73901)

Make yourself clear. What hoaxes have you been exposed to on both sides? Provide two lists, one for each side please.

-feeler

You haven't provided any conclusive information as to holographic planes, nor have you demonstrated that your perceptual abilities are on par with even the casual observer.

Why don't you work on some basic social skills if you want to continue fighting for justice?

indakaz

11-07-2008 09:59 PM

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hello, for all who are interested, check out my new 5 part documentary called the hologram conspiracy on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D9B4C6547CD073

enjoy!

Magamud

11-07-2008 10:45 PM

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Cool stuff indakaz.
My question is why do people suppose that they would ever understand the tech being used by the "Elite". Would not a smart dictator use tech that people could not comprehend? Circumstantial evidence would suggest that holograms is the answer. It would fit the inconsistencies, mssing planes, different planes, lack of wrekage, tampering with different news media and being engulfed in the towers.

I personally have had experiences seeing morphing technology and it is a wonder to see. I saw a fireball turn into three star lights and inpersonate a flying plane. We are hypnotized and live in a matrix. I suspect the law to have all tv's high definition quality is to increase this HARMonization.

Godspeed

dataeast

11-07-2008 10:45 PM

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Could you provide a brief synopsis or outline of the documentary?

Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by indakaz (Post 73987)

hello, for all who are interested, check out my new 5 part documentary called the hologram conspiracy on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...D9B4C6547CD073

enjoy!

samncheese

11-07-2008 10:54 PM

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Indakaz; Hi, that is great you raised a lot of good questions, What was your take on John Lears prediction that the hologram invasion would be fall us before the elections? do you think CNN did this to open us up to the idea of holograms or is it something more?

I would like to make this clear I started this thread to learn more about the subject because it is still clouded in smoke and mirrors. I don't want anyone to think I am calling John Lear a liar, I don't know him from Joe the plumber, I don't know if he is getting disinformation and sees it a credible. So I wished to start a discussion on the topic to raise my understanding of these events with the vast knowlege base that is Avalon. Feeler I am not saying you are wrong I am saying it is foolish to look at one photo and discribe the entire world from it.

Thank you Dataeast...

peace be with you

feeler

11-07-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 73925)

The fact that you can't tell which way a little old lady is facing shows how important it is to really Think about what is being said and then testing the science behind it.

Did I ever state the person was facing the camera? Quote please. Hint: Why did I even bother to use the term "right" in "missing right foot" in my questioning?

Do not avoid my prior point: "...your not being able to tell the right leg of the person, through photoshopping, has been shortened, rounded, and blurred at the end." -feeler

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69...tor-s-full.jpg

samncheese

11-07-2008 11:54 PM

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Sorry, it looks like an old person standing on old stubby legs to me, shadows and all. I didn't claim to have any answers, in fact I claimed to not have enouph. You can print this picture everywhere it still does not address the issue, it does point out that something is wrong. Which I think was my point from the beginning. Do I think the answer lies in the fussy end of some womans leg? well that will have to be argued by someone a whole lot smarter than I.

You claim to see it, ok. What sort of camera was used?
What lens?
What light setting?
What film/ digital/chemical?

I do know a little about photography and what you call photo shop mistakes can be reproduced by many tricks of light/ angle of veiw/ and combinations there in. Without the original pic in hand for study you are standing on a limb that all you can do is point to and say " this looks wrong to me, what do all of you think?"

Where is the original? Can it be found for comparison? yes some times I am stubborn on insiting that real hard evidence be found.

I will tell you what else bothers me about that pic, the person who took it made sure he owns it " Charles Marsh" If that pic has been doctored then it leads straight back to him. Who is he and does he stand by the photo here on the net?

feeler

11-08-2008 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 74110)

Do I think the answer lies in the fussy end of some womans leg? well that will have to be argued by someone a whole lot smarter than I.

I hear the same message from the shills again and again: "DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES! LET SOMEONE SMARTER DO IT FOR YOU!"

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 74110)

You claim to see it, ok. What sort of camera was used?
What lens?
What light setting?
What film/ digital/chemical?

If so much "relevant" information of the photo is missing/unknown to the public, why is this photo being used as evidence to convince the public that real planes were used to bury themselves into the towers? -feeler

Photo: MISSING FOOT

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69...tor-s-full.jpg

samncheese

11-08-2008 12:58 AM

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Feeler that is a good question...Why this pic?

samncheese

11-08-2008 01:13 AM

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found this very interesting:http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=91920[/URL]

dataeast

11-08-2008 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by feeler (Post 74156)

...

If so much "relevant" information of the photo is missing/unknown to the public, why is this photo being used as evidence to convince the public that real planes were used to bury themselves into the towers? -feeler

...

Nobody but yourself has claimed that the image is fraudulent, so the onus is upon you to prove it, else it remains just a claim or opinion.

EDIT:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/112/2...d1e30b2bde.jpg

feeler

11-08-2008 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dataeast (Post 74218)

Nobody but yourself has claimed that the image is fraudulent, so the onus is upon you to prove it, else it remains just a claim or opinion.

EDIT:

Photo: MISSING FOOT

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/7-69...tor-s-full.jpg

samncheese

11-08-2008 03:05 AM

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This reminds me of that drawing of the old woman and if you sqwinted your eyes another way it was a young woman.

I am sorry Feeler I don't see anything wrong with the picture itself, but I will keep an open mind about it. I have been searching for the originator of it to see if we can find out who exactly took it, but that may take some time.

feeler

11-08-2008 05:54 AM

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I've never seen a more contrived image of a proof: an engine standing in an upright position with the "MURRAY" street sign in front of it. Is this an exhibit or something?

-feeler

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/6310...12271-full.jpg

samncheese

11-08-2008 06:02 AM

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Wow, a close up of it too, The only thing this proves is your stuck in your own reality...

feeler

11-08-2008 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 74386)

Wow, a close up of it too, The only thing this proves is your stuck in your own reality...

Proof of real planes.

:roll1:

My reality is not the one created by Philip Zelikow; that's for sure.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Airc...tswtc-full.jpg

samncheese

11-08-2008 06:16 AM

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That is so clear thank you for patience with me.

Be at peace

feeler

11-08-2008 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by samncheese (Post 74406)

That is so clear thank you for patience with me.

Be at peace

You are welcome. Enjoy the exhibit photos.

-feeler

Magamud

11-08-2008 06:26 AM

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How do we explain the plane/holograph not having a shadow?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0ROZEt0ugw

samncheese

11-08-2008 06:38 AM

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Hi magamud: very compelling.

Magamud

11-08-2008 06:59 AM

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Howdy Sam,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqEpuTGc98s

I really like this guys take on it and his series. Showing media tampering, coordinated camera shots, nose in nose out evidence, missing planes, inconsistencies, planned scripts, planted witnesses, cuts in tape. This whole event was a military exercise in the Sci Fi extreme. God help us all.

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE3hvucKsRM
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovB-Mrwn0fY
Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocgm_a22l00

Inconsistencies with plane trajectory. Different shaded planes, edited tape, edit audio, different backgrounds, different broadcasts from live to evening news. Missing planes, planted evidence of debris, inconsistent plane reports, demolishion of towers, coordinated planted media reports, withholding video evidence, numerous witnesses working with the media establshiment.

How could one not think there is a possibility of holographic planes and shut the door to it?

This is the guys homesite i believe, great info and good luck!
http://www.livevideo.com/socialservice

Marcus Knudsen

11-08-2008 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by feeler (Post 74384)

One of the guys project camelot interviewed said that this engine and some other stuff was planted there but that they did a huge mistake and used the wrong kind of engine... But there are not many people who know enough about engines to be able to tell.

Magamud

11-08-2008 10:49 PM

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Ya Lear saids they are not the right engines with the planes. Anyone no more?

feeler

11-10-2008 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Magamud (Post 75010)

Ya Lear saids they are not the right engines with the planes. Anyone no more?

Magamud

Here's the link where Jon Carlson makes his case:

South Tower Flight UA175 Dropped
WRONG Engine In NYC Street

http://home.att.net/~south.tower/STengine1.htm

-feeler

warngen

11-11-2008 05:15 AM

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Feeler,
About the photo of the woman's missing foot.
Lets think about this in a little more deeper sense...FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
The people in the photo are going about as usual; as if there weren't a cameraman, let alone the debris, infront of them. If I was there, I would be looking at it and AT LEAST paying attention to the camera man. IMHO, I believe that the image of the wreckage was copy and pasted into another image of people standing on the street corner.
Does anyone know WHEN these "photos" were taken? If this was right after the incident, wouldn't everything be covered in dust.
Actually now that I look at it more carefully, the ground is wet in the photo. 9-11 occured with no clouds in sight, meaning high pressure is dominating. NORMALLY, incoming rain is announced by upper level clouds, such as cirrus type clouds. As the rain gets closer, the clouds begin to form closer to the surface. And NOT 1 CLOUD WAS IN SIGHT!

P.S. Can someone find out the first time it rained in NY AFTER 9-11-01?
Thanks.

mattjb

11-11-2008 10:57 AM

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i think the evidence points clearly to dummy planes. light weight shells (in particular wings) that were designed to disintergrate on impact.

feeler

11-13-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mattjb (Post 77097)

i think the evidence points clearly to dummy planes. light weight shells (in particular wings) that were designed to disintergrate on impact.

If your hypothesis is correct, some other means would be needed to create the wing-shape holes, such as ground-based particle beam weapons. -feeler

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