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historycircus 11-03-2008 03:11 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
This site is fantastic!

Keep it up!

Pomguymguy 11-03-2008 03:11 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work (Post 68574)
This forum is perfect, whole and complete
Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates

Everything is Dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled.
By Correspondence :welcomeani:


All natural effects are from spiritual causes. All is spirit


To be here is a privilege for me, on Bill and Kerry's 5* Forums. I got here from doing extensive research into health issues. My wife of 36 years has been dealing with a life threataning illness - so I wanted to know why there was not a 'cure' - I found answers, lots of alternative treatments that have been available for years and years- this lead me onto other cover-ups - and here we all are - all looking for the truth ? ( some maybe not so!)

We have so many people with expert knowlege in specialised area's that others are (were) totally clueless about. Many diffrent levels of being 'awake'
at many, many diffrent levels of 'Knowing"- I have not yet been able to upgrade my 'Knowing' to be able to have an OBE - many have. We all have that potential, so much work needs to be done.

There has been much Tit -for -Tat Ego Bashing going on - that is because we still have lots more to learn to get anywhere near the level we should already be at.
Don't forget we have been kept in a dumbed down state in so many area's of our lives. Lots of catching up to do, to be able to see the BIG PICTURE.
I have personally found so much very informative information here that I am sure you would not find in any other place on the net.
Maybe it would be a good idea to take a couple of days to reflect at where you are now, compared to when you first got to know about Bill and Kerry.

Some of the postings still seem rather silly, e.g. When someone makes comment about the 'Government' - So what 'Government' would that be then?
Do you mean the 'puppets' we see in the mainstream media ? - or do you mean the 'controlling forces' that prod the puppets with sharp sticks when they want them to jump ?

All the diffrence's of opinion just show how many of us are at various stages of learning who -what and why.

I just say to Bill and Kerry I am honoured and humbled by being able to be here in this moment and know that there are a few like minded souls (and not so like minded souls) bothering to pass on their knowlege, so we can all put into practice the real reason we ever came here on planet Earth at this time, and past times too.

If you are not sure what that is - then you too do not know 'everything' and need to do a bit more homework...

I am going back through some of the information I have "pulled off the Camelot/Avalon forums and it just blows me away !:mfr_omg: But my overall perspective to life on Earth, and beyond, is very diffrent to how it was just a few short months ago.
I appologise to the one's higher up the ladder of learning, but us 'lower ranks' will all get there in the end, with each others help - thanks a bunch - ALL of you

Paul R time for a :cup: :zip:

WineHippie 11-03-2008 03:23 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 68450)
Thank you members. Keep it coming. This will help the Mod team and
administration know how you are feeling. We want your stay
at Avalon to be a rewarding experience.

i wasn't gonna complain, but since you asked....
i try to be as compassionate as i can, however
the volume of christianity posts is wearisome as
are the bash-the-candidate ones. I would be
hoping to see more real solutions and less ego gratification.

J_rod7 11-03-2008 06:12 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
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Hi Kevin, and Warmest Greetings to All,

I voted choice 'B' = Satisfactory, and could be Improved. I was a little Surprised to see that this is the Majority Opinion. :shocked:

IMO, the Forum has been spread too thin, with a proliferation of Sections and Threads. This has created a 'Jungle' for anyone trying to navigate to appropriate areas of common Interests.

There is a need to gain some 'control' of this Proliferation. Consolidate various similar Threads into DEFINED Format Sections. Any further postings should then only be allowed to go into appropriate Established Sections.

In other words, No New Threads. Post in those Sections already 'Fixed' for the desired Topic. Moderators may Close sections, or Create New Sections from time-to-time, as the interests of the members may change.

My Two Cents :naughty: :original:

Peace - Out :wub2: :wink2:

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arcora 11-03-2008 01:26 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I am tired of seeing posts that I don't agree with and don't interest me. This forum needs to be about me and me only. When will all the other members learn that they are here to serve me and that when they post information that I am not interested in it makes me mad and all I need to read is information that confirms what I believe and makes me feel good about myself.

:)

Oneworld719 11-03-2008 02:05 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Hi Kevin,
Great question...I love it when ever anyone asks 'how do you feel' I myself have enjoyed greatly the information that is here, and as posted by others have gained so much knowledge and information. I also look through all the posts and take what is applicable and move on if not. I love the fact that this forum has such a variety of people from all over this wonderous plant. Whew, it's awesome to know I'm not alone in the never ending search. Having such varied thoughts, opinions,and beliefs helps me see we as a people are amazing. My hope for all of us here is to finally move to a unity of consciouness, a unity of humanity. To all: your insights, wisdoms and feelings are greatly appreciated by myself.
Thank You
Namasta

alternative-answer 11-03-2008 02:33 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topper (Post 68481)
AA, check out the thread, America's greatest fear not yet realized. I would like your take on it.

Will do, I'll come back to you.

Norval 11-03-2008 03:12 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I am still thinking about this as well, , , sooooo, unsure? :naughty:

Jenny 11-03-2008 03:18 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Hi,

I am the mod who moves all the election propaganda to Off Topic.
It is propaganda, not serious political stuff.:original:

Serious political stuff has a place here..imho.


and I feel this is a great forum. And it should be a free of charge forum as well.

Jenny

raulduke 11-03-2008 03:22 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arcora (Post 69059)
I am tired of seeing posts that I don't agree with and don't interest me. This forum needs to be about me and me only. When will all the other members learn that they are here to serve me and that when they post information that I am not interested in it makes me mad and all I need to read is information that confirms what I believe and makes me feel good about myself.

:)

I know what you mean.

:lol3:, but seriously I do. We're here to make connections and exchange info right? Not glorify our egos......checking our "reputation counter" frequently.
I'll climb back up on my high horse now, to say that I just noticed that this even exists as an option after reading this response in the "Will you leave if the Forum becomes paid" thread, from a PA researcher w/ some thin skin I guess.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle (Post 69069)
I will leave if Avalon doesn't become a paid service.

In fact, I already did.

The poll suggests that 81% of the respondents have no business
posting at Avalon, as proven by the porn tantrum thrown by
excalitber last week. Just because I left, doesn't mean I wasn't lurking.

Some suggestions for the administrations discussion

-If technically viable, Avalon remains available for all comers on a read
only basis. This way no one is denied critical information.

- paid subscribers are held to a higher standard leaving the food fight of the open forum and entering a classroom/library environment. Serious participants only. I left when I was attacked
personally for voicing my opinion. Attacking the individual rather than
the argument is inappropriate. I can find this behavior at any roadhouse bar. Mods, please see my reputation counter for documentation.

That is my opinion. You are welcome to attack it. Attacks directed at me personally will not be tolerated.

I understand the need to address personal attacks, but from what I've seen they're not extremely frequent, and much of the time members can work these spats out before the mods decide to jump in.

IMO it's worth trying to civilly address those who "attack" you, and try to get to the heart of their problem. Give them a second, third, fourth, chance.
I've learned much here from people that I respect, but still disagree w/, but only because of much dialogue.
If they remain childish and refuse to respond civilly to your questions then.........guess what.......you can ignore them........who cares what random people say about you on the internet. Honestly. If we continue to ignore the irrational posters, they will find some other outlet for their tantrums and need for attention.

And really, who checks thier "reputation counter", or even knows how to?

gordon 11-03-2008 03:36 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I edited my post.

Suriel 11-03-2008 03:40 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Thank you everyone for your participation in this thread.
The majority believe that there can be improvements.
I believe that your thoughts and feelings should be
considered.

I hope that the Mod team and admin look at this thread
very closely to see the issues that cause some
discomfort.

And those that want to leave the forum probably
have personal reasons. But overall, it looks like
Avalon is on a productive path. We just need to
make a few tweaks here and there.

I plan on leaving this poll wide-open. Please continue
to share your thoughts and feelings.

Peace,
Kevin

Altered Species 11-03-2008 03:46 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I think it's a great site. I was worried when the Camelot forum was closed and I'm still worried about it becoming a pay site, but I think the site is very well organized.

gordon 11-03-2008 03:51 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I edited my post.

Suriel 11-03-2008 04:02 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Hello Gordon,

Good question. I am a little concerned about some of the members leaving if Avalon becomes a paid subscription website. I hope that Bill and Kerry take this thread into consideration.

Peace,
Kevin

gordon 11-03-2008 04:04 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I edited my post.

bilderburger w/cheese 11-03-2008 04:05 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
the following problems should be addressed:

- make one thread or sticky only about water, another only about food prep, etc., etc. to clear up the whole ELE/war/avian flu/whatever preparation mess that is all over the board. we need to put all the information together so that there is no more need TO discuss it again and again. consolidate it so its findable. too much time is being spent on these topics when we ought to be discussing the handbook and internal preparations.

-we have people here that are just beginning the journey of waking up and we have very advanced posters here that know almost everything. id like to think that this forum is the most advanced forum with respect to obtaining the truth. if you want to go the political route, go to the prison planet forum on the alex jones site. thats all they discuss there-- theyre spiritually devoid for the most part, and most dont believe in the alien stuff.
the icke site is okay, but again, theyre not nearly as into the george green/paradigm handbook stuff. IMO, the icke site is like the jones site with the alien knowledge. lastly, youve got the mtsar forum which primarily discusses symbolism, psychic vampirism, and society. its small, but has a group of sharp individuals who post there. lets make this site more george greenish (with some deagle influence) and cut down on everything else- thats our niche here. the wilcock followers have the divine cosmos board for the more passive 2012 approach.

the newbies need their own section to catch up with the rest of the more advanced people. debating whether mccain or obama is better and whether fluoride and vaccines are good or not simply causes board traffic. besides, we are far beyond worrying about that stuff.

lastly, the social groups arent being under-utilized.

id like to see this board become 80% spiritual-oriented and 20% physical preparation. headlines and news updates are easily found on other websites, like rense. why repost anything thats readily found?

ghglenn 11-03-2008 04:06 PM

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If it has to become a paid site, some forums have a "paid-member" area that has things like a live-chat, extra content... just a thought.

gordon 11-03-2008 04:18 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I edited my post.

John aka#404 11-03-2008 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69188)
Kevin, we know that you are really BILL...please stop faking it.

Gordon,

Kevin is not Bill. I know this for a fact. I am not clear on why you would think this, as well as assume that Bill would do something against his own guidelines (see "Cloning").

-John aka#404
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Myplanet2 11-03-2008 04:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69199)
If only Bill and Kerry could pay for real Mods...

:ban:

shybastid 11-03-2008 04:34 PM

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Im going to have to agree with almost everbody.A Little of this a little of that...Mix it up..what do ya have..? A little more knowledge.
Keep the threads we already have,in an organized,consise manner.
People that have already read almost everything posted here,may just want to reference a topic that has been added too.
Added Ground Crew discussions are extremely valuable.Id like to see how other Groups in other Locations are defining their mode of operende without giving away too much security.
Do you know the difference between Paranoia and Someones out to get you?
I DO:lmfao:
Overall,Im reading the General concensus is..Dont make us pay for our own contributions,Categorize by Topic Specific without duplication,and find new ORIGINAL material to add to what is already here.
Of course, Mother Earth,Spirituality,and Peaceful Survival are a gimmee to people that wander to this site.And for that,I am truly thankful.

gordon 11-03-2008 04:34 PM

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I edited my post.

John aka#404 11-03-2008 04:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69158)
Avalon NEEDS a porn sub-forum, I would 100% comein to there...

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69171)
Kevin, why the hell would the members would want to PAY $$$, when they could easy enough goto other sites like ATS and Armageddon Online? There is also Wikipedia website with the same basic c.r.a.p...

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69199)
If only Bill and Kerry could pay for real Mods...

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69216)
Myplanet2, maybe you could "Research" for those Mods?

Gordon,

By review of your posts, my guess is you clicked on "C. This Forum Stinks - I plan on leaving".

Let's stay on topic and stop the Avalon staff badgering please. Consider this a warning.

-John
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Kerry Cassidy 11-03-2008 05:13 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69188)
Kevin, we know that you are really BILL...please stop faking it.

Hey there,

No way is Kevin "Bill Ryan" if that is the "Bill" you are referring to -- Bill Ryan would never use a fake name... he stands behind everything he writes.

Kerry

gordon 11-03-2008 05:23 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I edited my post.

David 11-03-2008 05:30 PM

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gordon, it sounds like your upset with something. Whats wrong?

gordon 11-03-2008 05:32 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I edited my post.

unsynapsys 11-03-2008 05:38 PM

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I agree with earlier comments regarding there being too much input which does not really add anything to debate. A narrower field in which to comment would be better, with instructions to stay strictly within the confines of the topic.
When I first signed up I was a regular visitor, now I find myself going back to P. Camelot.

freespirit 11-03-2008 05:48 PM

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I am happy and contented with everything !
And as for disinfo agents they can say what they want, but they can't change the reality.

freespirit

Suriel 11-03-2008 06:05 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Hello Everyone.

I assure all of you that I am not Bill Ryan. I do not have a british accent.
I don't like wearing hats.

I also stand behind everything that I write. And I am very honest.
My name is not fake. I am not fake.

My name is Kevin Dellinger. I am a composer, writer and artist.
I am married with 2 kids and I live in the United States.

I enjoy the paranormal and spirituality. I also enjoy being
a part of the Avalon forum, although it can be challenging at times.

Peace,
Kevin Dellinger

She-Ra 11-03-2008 06:07 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I'm going for option B.

The forum started off great but members quickly started over zealously self-moderating or seeing the chance to be the prefects that they perhaps missed out on at school.

I read more than I post on here and have noticed that when people post threads about the reality we live in their threads and character get ambushed with accusations, warnings and 'telling off' for being fear mongerers, negative or a bad influence. It's like members are not allowed to think for themselves or have discussions. Now fair enough, I agree that we should always try to better ourselves ethically and spiritually, 'raise our vibrations' as many say on here and endeavor to have a positive influence but for many that also means addressing the reality we live in head on rather than thinking we have to keep quiet about it lest the mention of negative things ensures they happen. Sure having a positive focus is a good thing but ignoring the negative isn't always constructive and to be treated like there isn't a choice on this forum 'for our own good' is going past good intentions. I've noticed many posters who want to address these issues have started posting disclaimers in their threads that specifically say things like 'I'm not fear mongering or being negative but...' just in case they get jumped on by the very people who are trying to spread love and light or start unnecessary friction. Conversely, calling people 'hippies' or 'new agers' is hardly helping.

This forum was apparently started to address physical issues and networking due to negative situations in the reality we live in. I think the spiritual, mental and emotional input is wonderful and provides a good balance, but instead of balance we're getting conflict because people are not showing tolerance for each other and the different approaches people have to addressing and tackling issues. As long as there isn't unethical behaviour, there needn't be so much tension amongst each other.

I also dislike that many posters are being labeled as having 'victim mentality' and 'well if you choose that or let them do that to you then it's your fault' - that's hardly encouraging is it? We live in a reality (or false reality) where we are being influences by so many things both internal and external whereby yes we do make our own decisions and have to accept the consequences, we have to try to be mature and try not to make mistake or consciously negative decisions in the first place but we are also surviving in a web of deceit and manipulation so many of us are both victims and victimisers. We have to acknowledge that and not blame the victims instead of the victimisers or entirely blame someone/thing else without evaluating ourselves. It's hard to be strong or vigilant or positive all the time, have some sympathy - we can't all empathise with each other but a little sympathy can go a long way.

We're all on this board together, so we have to learn to share it or many of us will likely get pushed away.

Just a note - I'm not against self-moderation, it just seems that there are some distinct wedges appearing and hopefully that wont turn into anything akin to pack mentality.

norman 11-03-2008 06:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bilderburger w/cheese (Post 69189)


.......we have people here that are just beginning the journey of waking up and we have very advanced posters here that know almost everything.......


........the newbies need their own section to catch up with the rest of the more advanced people. debating whether mccain or obama is better and whether fluoride and vaccines are good or not simply causes board traffic. besides, we are far beyond worrying about that stuff...........



AGREED ! I'd also add that I wouldn't like to be in B&K's shoes right now because this forum must be so NOT what they anticipated. Ultimately it's got to be a choice between exclusivity or heavy policing. - The problems of running things don't change much, do they?

I think I would prefer exclusivity but with an open option to view. If that means I'm excluded, ( I don't use PayPal ) then that's ok. I was quit content/thrilled! to watch PC interviews and brows Open Minds Forum until the 'debates' here got me 'hooked' and I registered here recently.

If it is decided to make this forum 50//50 'spiritual/ascension' // 'Greencrew Kibbutz' I'm OFF to consider my options on my own.

:sad:

David 11-03-2008 06:37 PM

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Norman, you do bring up a valid point about newbies and more advanced people. Maybe there should be a library section that is for viewing only?

Interesting article.
#@*!!! Anonymous anger rampant on Internet

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/11/03/a...net/index.html

THE eXchanger 11-03-2008 06:47 PM

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xxx

Norval 11-03-2008 06:49 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Kerry, Bill, Colin, Moderators and Avalon members;
While many here at Avalon may not have the experiences of forums that many of us
"old timers" do, this needs to be said! From having operated and moderated several
forums the methodologies and tactics being used here are the very ones that will tear this
forum apart. Which is exactly what is happening. Are we to think that this is being done
for a reason? What are your posters and readers thinking? Obviously, you are trying to
find out.

Those of us "old timers" to the forums are just shaking our heads and sighing over what
has been done here. Obviously someone forgot to read the "Forums, How to Manage
One." instructions that are all over the net. It causes many to ask just whose advice is
being followed on how to run the forum? And, why?

It looks like about two thirds of the readers and posters have left. We have to ask why?
There were some great minds that first came to this forum and they are gone now. I am
not talking about the "stars of the show", but about those that had something constructive
to add in the way of thoughts and ideas.

Personally I am here now just to watch what happens next, to answer any questions
concerning the research Gale, I, and others have done, and to try and help people keep a
level head in their responses. There are many of us that hope this will all work it's way
through and help the people waking up.

Sincerely :original:
Norval L. Cunningham

TruthWillSetUFree 11-03-2008 06:55 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
It it not surprising that in asking how we feel about the forum you would get a manifestation of what is going on in the forum ....
Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69236)
Why would I be upset? it isn't my fault that certain people can not stop attacking me for no reason at all.

It is precisely this type of energy that brings a 'negative' influence into the forums.

Is it wrong? No, it is life. This forum depicts not only what is going on in the world but also what is going on with each and every life on the forum.

The positive and negative, to navigate through. Choosing what we can spiritually discern as "ours" or not and to use this energy to practice detaching ourselves from it emotionally. I believe we will have much negativity in the world in the very near future.

First things first.

Gordon, what has you feeling "attacked" is what YOU are putting out there. You obviously do not see this as it remains in your shadow. Look into your victim archetype. You victimize others, eliciting a response from them, so you, your ego, can 'be right' about being attacked by others, again feeling victimized. You do not see that you are creating this yourself; a never ending merry-go-round of upset and turmoil.

Until you are responsible for what you create, you will be stuck within its confining walls of resentment.

What I hear is someone who is angry and wants attention by taking it out on the world. Underneath your anger is fear. Only you know or can access where this fear is coming from by going into the darkest recesses of your soul.

There are people here willing to love you, don't be afraid.

What we all need to realize is who is doing the posting on here is our ego's. Some have a predominant ego, others are more in tune with their spiritual selves which reflects that in their understanding. Most of us are in somewhere in between, many have hurt egos who are resigned to hurting others to feel better.

I would suggest to all those who feel the need to negate others to use the forum as a tool to get in touch with your deepest emotions as a way to uncover ALL THAT IS NOT YOU. Consequently, finding who you are.

This is the quickest and surest way to help the world. As you uncover all that is not you, you help the collective uncover their own, as in the 100th monkey syndrome. It always begins WITH YOU and ends with you, as we are all each other.

Gordon you are an aspect of all of us who is hurt and angry. As an aspect of all of us you can find your healing from within yourself and within our collective whole.

And that, my dear friend, is up to you.

Herein lies our transformation as a whole.

So to answer the question,yes, I feel the forum is a valuable asset in one's life as a teaching/learning tool and a place to make like-minded friends.

Accipiter_Phi 11-03-2008 06:57 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
["AGREED ! I'd also add that I wouldn't like to be in B&K's shoes right now because this forum must be so NOT what they anticipated. Ultimately it's got to be a choice between exclusivity or heavy policing. - The problems of running things don't change much, do they?"] -NORMAN


This forum is basically a microcosmic societal study that directly reflects the dynamics of society as a whole... not too mention the social dynamics that will quickly manifest in any given "ground crew" habitat.

I believe that the issues/dynamics raised within this forum will help address issues/dynamics that will rise in ground crew communities...

There will be love, yet fear. "helping hands" yet competition... compassion yet ego struggles.... a "leader-class" will probably have to emerge to combat self defeating infighting due to experiential levels (and their related personality types) in various fields; including weapon, health, infrastructure, spiritual specialists.

This forum is priceless in revealing/predicting the inevitable psycho/social dynamics of proposed ground crew habitats... and how to ameliorate various conflicts. There are no easy, external answers to these problems.

One may quickly find oneself dealing with issues that the "illuminati" ruling class has been dealing with for millenia (without the Luciferian slant, though).

Nothing is as easy as it seems when tools, weapons and egos are involved.

Pomguymguy 11-03-2008 07:32 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
:wall:As many of us here still attempt to scratch each others eyes out
please note: The Universal Mind ( of which we are ALL a tiny part of) knows far more about how YOU feel than any human being could possibly know.

Every THOUGHT is ENERGY - ONCE AGAIN we see a lot of useful ENERGY being wasted on trivial b******t instead of the job in hand - which is ?:nono:

MANY OF US HERE APPARENTLY STILL DO NOT KNOW !

Average Joe 11-03-2008 07:49 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eXchanger (Post 69272)
quoted text removed at quotees request

I feel this forum would be a better place if people would use the full width of the page.


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