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Bleep! 10-30-2008 01:44 AM
good question
 
Self Bleep!

Tuza 10-30-2008 01:50 AM
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I hope if Kerry is coming she is allowed to bring her beautiful cat and dog, can't leave them behind - they must love her - she is easy to love - they would miss her.

Now what other items do I need in my suitcase - Tuza looking.

Pomguymguy 10-30-2008 02:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Ryan (Post 64854)
Hi All:

Thanks to all who have registered their personal interest. That's a lot of people, and we'll get back to you all soonest. Give us a few days!

A comment about money. It's used to buy real estate of any kind. For anyone planning to up their roots and relocate anywhere - whether it's Ecuador, Panama, Costa Rica, Brazil, Argentina, British Columbia, Australia, New Zealand or Switzerland - you'll need financial resources at some level or another. It's an unavoidable fact.

Remember also that every one of us is in a separate life position. Variables include age, skills, health, marriage, children, jobs, relatives, language, nationality, financial assets. All of these come into play in some way or another. It's all a complicated equation, diferent for each of us.

Those with funds are not always the most free.
Those without funds are not always the most limited.

The entire Avalon site is dedicated to providing the maximum amount of information to everyone, whatever their position. Each of us can select whatever we feel is useful or valuable, and apply it to our own individual circumstances.

As a comment to Bleep (hi there! :original:) - our information comes from a very well-informed source who is in a position to accurately assess certain risks and probabilities.

Nothng to do with fear. The individual spearheading this project is one of the most unafraid people I have ever met. Many people would also not easily label Kerry or myself as afraid. :original:

If I go to Australia, it won't be because of fear: it's because it's a great place to be compared to many others, and if I'm part of this community it'll be because it sounds like a wonderful place to live.

Very best to all, Bill

Bill is quite right ! We have ALL choosen the individual path that we are ALL on at this moment in time. We have all decided that even though things are going to get complicated, we are here right NOW - YOU can change the situation - there will be many other safe havens on the planet - So see what YOU can do ?

Snakes, Redback and Funnelweb spiders - Croc's, Shark's, 50 Trillion Blowflies all choose to be here in Australia too.

Without Bill and Kerry being in a certain place at a certain time line most of us would still be clueless about any of this information. We would not have had the opportunity to join a few dots.........

Actions speak louder than words... :welcomeani: to the FORUM

Paul R

Anticomuna 10-30-2008 02:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stefaan (Post 64831)
Australia is a nice country.
Australian are nice people.
So nice, they had to close the door.
Nobody can get in, unless...

You don't stay to long.
You bring a lot of money.
You have some precious expertise.
You mary someone over there.

Damn Australians.

How come Kerry & Bill feel the need to relocate.
What do they know that we don't?
Are they more fearful than we are?
Exercise discernment they always say or write.
Just relocating because it's a nice country with nice people?
Or believing some whistleblowers that urge them to move?
Better be save than sorry?
Prepare for the worse, hope for the best?

So far the whistleblowers seem to speak against each other.
How can you decide which one is nearest to the truth?

I'm trying to understand their motivations.
Relocating is not nothing, not a small thing to do.
You must be very convinced.

Dude, whenever I see a message from you I picture someone singing it.

Pomguymguy 10-30-2008 02:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuza (Post 65373)
I hope if Kerry is coming she is allowed to bring her beautiful cat and dog, can't leave them behind - they must love her - she is easy to love - they would miss her.

Now what other items do I need in my suitcase - Tuza looking.


They will have to do a spell in Quarantine -:tears: (like two other cats we flew over from U.K.)

I think it is only for a month though - not sure about coming from USA?:welcomeani:

Paul R

m00g 10-30-2008 03:07 AM
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Yes with the pets you will have to get some cert's prior to relocation from a certified vet then once the animals are over here they have to spend 28 days in a FEMA camp which quite surprisingly does'nt cost too much considering it the Gov and all. That's a loose account for helping my partners sister migrate here with her dog this time last year.

I'm intrigued about our government working with other nations for OZ being a safe zone? Bill or Kerry do you have any more info about this you would kindly share?

All the best!

pilot 10-30-2008 03:34 AM
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I think it sounds really cool, go for it you guys!

Starlah 10-30-2008 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Reunite (Post 63936)
Hey friends,

The easiest way to immigrate to Australia is through work sponsership. If you have expertise in a particular field an Employer will consider sponsering you for a work visa that could lead to permanent resisdency.

Here is a link in regards to Australian Immigration
http://www.immi.gov.au/

If you are single come over here on holiday and sent out vibrational energy of love and excitment. You could meet a fellow aussie who might pop the question.

:lol3:
Your idea only works for the Youngsters! They don't allow us SENILE oldsters in that are occasionally afflicted with DEMENTIA!
I guess I'll have to "hold my hand out for a second marriage" to get down to OZ..although next time he has to get down on bended knee, hold out some lovely flowers, and speak to me on the subject of "unconditional love"...forever and ever...
Thats a tall order for most men.

________________________________________
Kick at the Darkness until it bleeds daylight...Bruce Cockburn

master yowe 10-30-2008 07:43 AM
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Hello Starlah, not all us blokes are like that. I live in Perth West Aussie and you can marry me if you like, but it may cost you plenty of dough :mfr_lol:
My suggestion to you is take a holiday down here and then just dissapear:mfr_omg: You can come and stay at my place if you want. We'll
look after you darling, not a problem. :wub2:


LOVE AND COSMIC CHRIST LIGHT TO ALL

Leadman 10-30-2008 08:23 AM
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[QUOTE=Bill Ryan;65233]What a stupid, small-minded, ungenerous and misguided series of remarks.



Bill,
I can see this getting in to a "sticks & stones" thing here, I have obviously pushed a few buttons.

Firstly, I salute you for the work that YOU & Kerry do, without reservation.

Secondly, my post was not supposed to be a personal attack, far from it, it was aimed at getting people visiting this forum to THINK SERIOUSLY about the POTENTIAL coming events and be practical about what they are realistically able to achieve, based on their own situation.
As things are now, there are those who only want to take from others and I feel that those who have had the foresight to prepare will run the risk of being mugged by those who have not, by force if neccessary. Or to look at it another way, the French Resistance would not have been able to survive if they had all grouped in one big village.

I wish only the best for you, I hope when you finally decide to settle, that it all works out well for you.
You are an eternal traveller Bill, I think you always will be.

Bon Voyage!

stefaan 10-30-2008 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anticomuna (Post 65390)
Dude, whenever I see a message from you I picture someone singing it.
That would be nice. Why not?
Let's all start singing a little more often.
Very efficient therapy to lift up our spirit.
Good idea, Anticomuna

"Anticomuna", you're against community?
Hope not.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anticomuna (Post 65390)
Dude, whenever I see a message from you I picture someone singing it.
Maybe, it's because my english is limited?
It's not my native language.

arcora 10-30-2008 01:22 PM
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dataeast 10-30-2008 01:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcora (Post 65626)
What's funny is that what is going to happen on earth is more like a controlled demolition.

The controllers of the demolition will make sure that the 'ark' is also destroyed.

Unless, of course, the 'ark' is filled with 1,000 of their own. Hmmm.

Where does one get fuel for a personal nuclear power plant?
Australia supplies Japan, Russia and China (and anyone with the money) with gold cake. We've got tons of the stuff "outback". We have the worlds largest reserves.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf48.html

I wonder what kind of reactor it is because it would be worthwhile in investing in a "meltdown" proof one like the German "pebble-bed" design reactor. There is a working model in China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s1854362.htm

...Although it would be infinitely better to get off the uranium trip altogether.

arcora 10-30-2008 01:52 PM
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dataeast 10-30-2008 02:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcora (Post 65638)
Are you saying that I can just call someone in Australia, wire them a little cash and they'll fed-ex me some enriched uranium so I can build a nuclear power plant in my back yard?

Think.
No, that was a casual reply, I didn't realize that you had something so specific in mind. So, what do you think or are thinking of? Please, enlighten me about your conspiracy.

arcora 10-30-2008 02:09 PM
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gordon 10-30-2008 02:10 PM
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Quote:
Are you saying that I can just call someone in Australia, wire them a little cash and they'll fed-ex me some enriched uranium so I can build a nuclear power plant in my back yard?
Kevin07 wouldn't care which country is buying that stuff... I'm sure if a country paid enough $$$ Kevin07 would do just about anything! I mean just about _anything_ for more $$$. Pauline Hanson would of made a better (Prime Minister - President) then Kevin07. Atleast she couldn't make things any worse then what is already happening.

dataeast 10-30-2008 02:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcora (Post 65648)
It is no conspiracy per se.

Think about who is allowed to power a nuclear plant - certainly it isn't average citizens (no matter how wealthy).
Oh, yeah sure, that I can agree with. I generalize when I think the question is a general one. My mistake...:naughty:

Although, the truly wealthy may have channels that are above the laws imposed on ordinary citizens or "enemies," but in the context of the "Ark" which might be a futurists social experiment, such ideas are not out of the question, at least as I see it pertaining to this example. My point being that Australia was formerly a "nuclear free" country (can't remember that exact date of its change of status, maybe some time in the eighties) and the only nuclear facilities were scientific in nature (Sydney?). The pro-nuclear status might encourage semi-private facilities, such as the "Ark" because it "incidentally" is pro-nuclear which might be an aim in itself. Projects like this are still under regulation by the government.

arcora 10-30-2008 02:33 PM
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dataeast 10-30-2008 02:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gordon (Post 65649)
Kevin07 wouldn't care which country is buying that stuff... I'm sure if a country paid enough $$$ Kevin07 would do just about anything! I mean just about _anything_ for more $$$. Pauline Hanson would of made a better (Prime Minister - President) then Kevin07. Atleast she couldn't make things any worse then what is already happening.
It was the Liberals (Conservative Right) who sold off government assets to begin with. The government is only a regulatory body now, I mean who owns all the utilities in AU? The Tel Co's? And who introduced statewide sponsored gambling and other mind numbing and socially degenerative institutions. Who was kowtowing to Bush as the buildings fell promising coalition support without any consultation of the people of Australia? It was certainly a stroke of genius to push a free trade agreement with the US at that time much to our detriment.

Pauline was dropped even by the Right of which she represented and was surely used, but she created even more division in labor whose constituents were immigrants or first generation immigrants because she wanted to re-enact the White Australia Policy that we exorcised in the 70's. Her popularity polls never warranted the media attention to begin with and now she's "Dancing With The Stars"--unbelievable. No failed political figure has enjoyed such media success.

She helped to serve the Liberals (Conservative Right), but her policies or lack thereof were overshadowed by the fact that she embezzled funds from her own party(!!!).
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/c...59-952,00.html

In light of this Mr. Rudd appears as a savior in this bipartisan plot.

dataeast 10-30-2008 03:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcora (Post 65661)
Bingo. And government approved, no?
Yes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by arcora (Post 65661)
How conncected must one be in order to acquire approval for a personal nuclear power plant?

Aren't all nuclear projects worldwide monitored and controlled by the UN?

Wars are fought over this technology.
Yeah............. very good questions.:wink2:

Depends on what the UN represents, hey.

Harper 10-30-2008 03:38 PM
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Wasn't it understood and accepted by the founders of this forum that "going underground" was not the right path. Regardless of any personal opinion, wasn't it insinuted that the trouble makers of the future were the people who went underground .................It would take too long to look at all the vidoes again to find that statement but it was there.

Agree or don't agree with any of the future predictions, if someone who has the ear of most on this forum does an aboutface should they give you a clue as to why. No malice meant to Bill he has the right to live wherever he wants but this doesn't seem to make any logical sense based on the former ideas being presented.

bill7907 10-30-2008 03:56 PM
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Bill Ryan is just moving to Australia.
Is the Ark an underground base?


From what I have heard there are only a few who will have access to those underground bases ; the priviledged people in other words.

Robert Dean said he has a "ticket" if anything happens to hide in one of the underground bases in the USA.

Kate 10-30-2008 04:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bill7907 (Post 65729)
Bill Ryan is just moving to Australia.
Is the Ark an underground base?


From what I have heard there are only a few who will have access to those underground bases ; the priviledged people in other words.

Robert Dean said he has a "ticket" if anything happens to hide in one of the underground bases in the USA.



The 'ARK' is a metaphor..a nickname from what I understand from Bill. It is a 'vision' as such for a future 'intentional' community. This place has the infrastructure prepared and is now at the stage of attracting interested people looking to invest.

There are many intentional communities around the world and we can all get inspiration to create our own if this is our desire.....

peace
kate

gordon 10-30-2008 04:49 PM
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Kate whois a Mod from the UK...why would she wanting to post in a thread that has nothing to do with her and the Uk. Sorry, I am just wondering. Australian's Only!

m00g 10-30-2008 05:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuza (Post 64269)
It doesn't matter if your above the ground, under the bloody water, up in a gum tree, hugging a koala or running from a brown snake, if your meant to be around you will be and if your time is up it's up.
.

Tuza, You hit the nail on the head in one eloquent sentence ;)

I live in Melbourne now with an alternate unplanned place in central vic to retreat to but in reality no one knows what the ultimate scenario will be. In saying so we have one fact and that is that humans are running a muck on this great energy ball known as earth with little care. Australia has been so damaged by the Banker System in an environmental sense its damn sad.


As Tuza said "It doesn't matter if your above the ground, under the bloody water, up in a gum tree, hugging a koala or running from a brown snake, if your meant to be around you will be and if your time is up it's up."

Stop worrying about ppl have this or that, it doesn't matter.... Its just a ride ;)

Love and all the best!

mooger ;)

Merlyn 10-30-2008 05:06 PM
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=
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Harper (Post 65719)
Wasn't it understood and accepted by the founders of this forum that "going underground" was not the right path. Regardless of any personal opinion, wasn't it insinuted that the trouble makers of the future were the people who went underground .................It would take too long to look at all the vidoes again to find that statement but it was there.
Harper,

Extract from Bill's post at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...3374#post63374

Quote:
The 'Ark' is currently envisaged to include a shielded underground facility with hydroponics, technical and craft workshops, exercise and recreation facilities, a school, a comprehensive library, communication facilities, medical facilities, the most advanced water recycling technology, its own micro-economy and democratic structure, and (believe it or not) its own very clean mini nuclear reactor which will generate enough self-sufficient power for at least fifty years.
I think Bill and Kerry questioned the wisdom of going underground if certain
scenarios occurred.

=
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Bleep! 10-30-2008 05:06 PM
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bleeped!

m00g 10-30-2008 05:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gordon (Post 65781)
Kate whois a Mod from the UK...why would she wanting to post in a thread that has nothing to do with her and the Uk. Sorry, I am just wondering. Australian's Only!

Hey mate,

Check out her profile ;)

Maybe you missed the part where 'her location' is stated as being " looking for somewhere in the next 12 months" or something to that accord ;)

All the best Gordon,

m00g 10-30-2008 05:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleep! (Post 65796)
Not to mention the refinement, processing, etc.
and all the water to cool the plant... And the expertise to maintain and operate it. The list goes on.

Confusion, but that is to be expected here.

What are you guys hoping for?

Bill and Kerry came out and made a statement which they felt good about, you are no different to them, as am I or any other piece of matter in this univerese.

Bill and Kerry have served in waking people up along with their interviewee's. It doesn't matter what their financial situation or location may be, just like "you" they will ofc try to find a place which resonates with their being at the present time.

Its not the time to be worrying about what money will buy you to be frank, its about your kind heart... something money cannot buy and never will be able to buy.


Its all OK ;) ;) ;)

moogercake

Harper 10-30-2008 05:33 PM
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Dear Sm Neill or Merlyn :-)

Yes I did read the announcement but what I was referrig to was in a video interview, it was a witness who said that the good nordics or whatever you would like to call then, tall blonds etc... did not go underground, that it was the current PTB that went with their tickets and it was not the path to follow.

Anyone else remember this or am I now always dreaming :-) Just wondering - no judgement, they can come live on my roof if they wish, I would like to know why they are changed opinions, if in fact they have

Kate 10-30-2008 05:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gordon (Post 65781)
Kate whois a Mod from the UK...why would she wanting to post in a thread that has nothing to do with her and the Uk. Sorry, I am just wondering. Australian's Only!


Ohh? I wasnt aware that I had to be Australian to post here? :shocked:

Jeeez...and I was only clarifying something! hardly a crime eh? :wink2:

shybastid 10-30-2008 05:54 PM
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Good Thread..

In my opinion...Preparing safeguards for the future is just plane logical.
If you have the means to choose where you want to live over the next 5 year transition,with a little more security and/or at least some Peace of Mind,
Way to Go.
Out of all the "whistle blowers" Ive read,George Greene has been the most accurate about coming events.Deacon is just a darn good read.
Too many others speculate with no real back up.
Everyone, however, cant ALL be wrong.Their not ALL right either.
Pick and choose.
Thats why Im here,to help me pick and choose with a "little" more sense of reassurance.
I HOPE I dont fry by Nuclear War...I HOPE I dont die by a planet coming too close.
I HOPE that 2009,2010,11,12 AND 13 go by without any Global Catastrophes.


Peace Out

Bastid

sunflower 10-30-2008 06:06 PM
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Develop a Macroscopic View - a 'Spiritual' view and you will find that there is no need to run away to safety. Wherever you go, you are always 'here'.

Thanks, Bleep, for the reassurance. That's exactly what my husband and I plan to do. Work on the heart chakra and be there for family and friends and pet. I realize there is a reason why I am here at this time and hopefully it's my last big mental, spiritual and emotional test.

This is not 'sour grapes' but I don't exactly fancy ending up underground for an unspecified amount of time. I love the outdoors too much.

dataeast 10-30-2008 07:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by m00g (Post 65811)
What are you guys hoping for?

Bill and Kerry came out and made a statement which they felt good about, you are no different to them, as am I or any other piece of matter in this univerese.

Bill and Kerry have served in waking people up along with their interviewee's. It doesn't matter what their financial situation or location may be, just like "you" they will ofc try to find a place which resonates with their being at the present time.

Its not the time to be worrying about what money will buy you to be frank, its about your kind heart... something money cannot buy and never will be able to buy.


Its all OK ;) ;) ;)

moogercake
Actually, I did the work to wake myself up. And that was not a personal criticism of anyone here. Please don't confuse what I have not said, feel free to review what I have posted.

This has to do with the "Ark" and the type of reactor and how it operates; the infrastructure; the expertise; and potential danger related with its use.

A conventional nuclear reactor (PWR) operates like a prolonged bomb explosion and in a planned environment there needs to exist the infrastructure to support it, so to some degree dependency. One major problem is that without that expertise it will not necessarily go out with a fizz, so it binds you towards a particular future, there are the long term aspects to be considered, for instance, when the occupants no longer are aware of the underlying technology that has been taken for granted. Ask yourself whether you are capable of fulfilling all the aspects of survival given the knowledge you have now. What I am asking is whether nuclear power simplifies life or complicates it, particularly when the location is also suited to other forms of power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressurized_water_reactor

Why I mentioned the pebble reactor was because in the event of failure it operates in roughly an inverse fashion, so is relatively safe, it has passive safeguards based on the actual physics of the reactor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor

But as Bleep! suggested there is a whole lot more involved than just flicking a switch that makes it "dirty" if the project aims at being independent and long term.

Again, to be clear, I have no criticisms about the choices that people make about where they live, but also what I outline above is the reality of nuclear power and not meant to insult anyone or offend one's choices.

:wink2:

Brinty 10-30-2008 08:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dataeast (Post 65687)
It was the Liberals (Conservative Right) who sold off government assets to begin with. The government is only a regulatory body now, I mean who owns all the utilities in AU? The Tel Co's? And who introduced statewide sponsored gambling and other mind numbing and socially degenerative institutions. Who was kowtowing to Bush as the buildings fell promising coalition support without any consultation of the people of Australia? It was certainly a stroke of genius to push a free trade agreement with the US at that time much to our detriment.

Pauline was dropped even by the Right of which she represented and was surely used, but she created even more division in labor whose constituents were immigrants or first generation immigrants because she wanted to re-enact the White Australia Policy that we exorcised in the 70's. Her popularity polls never warranted the media attention to begin with and now she's "Dancing With The Stars"--unbelievable. No failed political figure has enjoyed such media success.

She helped to serve the Liberals (Conservative Right), but her policies or lack thereof were overshadowed by the fact that she embezzled funds from her own party(!!!).
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/c...59-952,00.html

In light of this Mr. Rudd appears as a savior in this bipartisan plot.
I agree with all that you say dataeast but I doubt that gordon could understand :nono: because you use some big long words with more than two syllables. :sad:

Brinty 10-30-2008 08:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kate (Post 65829)
Ohh? I wasnt aware that I had to be Australian to post here? :shocked:

Jeeez...and I was only clarifying something! hardly a crime eh? :wink2:
Don't worry about his comments Kate, he's inclined to lose his place on the page when he forgets to take his medication. :naughty:

dataeast 10-30-2008 10:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brinty (Post 65958)
I agree with all that you say dataeast but I doubt that gordon could understand :nono: because you use some big long words with more than two syllables. :sad:
I had expected a rebuttal, now I know why.:original:

Cheers

Dantheman62 10-30-2008 10:47 PM
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Ah Brinty, once again you make me laugh,lol!,oh s...t, I'm not from Australia I better run,see ya!

Tuza 10-30-2008 10:49 PM
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He is dry isn't he.:original:


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