Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

It is still our own; free will. this issue of sacredness is at question.

This is yet what is missing from all your comments in defining what provides or delivers us into the way of free will. where is it that honor can be part of the process if morals of Love for all concerned are absent?

The personal skill to hone free will is being relearned. the inner technology of peace is the only way out of what is termed "manipulations" of the will. The technology is not remembered much at all for many many eons of generations so we can barely sensory inner truth without higher benevolent assistance.

This is being given us as an opportunity by the FOL now!

I must emphasize that we have a limited time frame from which we will be allowed so direct this intervention that humanity has cried out for in spirit. the time is now. ask for help, yet command it upon your ego to step aside and receive the assistance. if you have chosen to become awake and you do not feel helped right inside this now -with energy flowing down from above and filtering directly into your crown as you attempt discerning truth, you have not asked.

I call for PEACE held. Peace is needed within so that peace out here can be achieved and maintained. we have to rely upon our planet to keep us safe from those that are no longer inside the vehicle to hold such a space.

I call for calm of spirit with the temperance of a trust that we are all free to choose now that Babylon falls -the veil that held illusion together.

please visit this site and attempt to hold peace not fear


http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5527

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

you get a kick out of the truth?


now, regarding anybody who doesn't think we have free will...i'm not really following. your argument is that we are being manipulated, therefore we don't really have free will? i don't see how. you can only be manipulated if you choose to let other manipulate you, hence free will. likewise, if you choose to ignore the truth, you have freely chosen to ridicule or ingore those who speak the truth. to say free will doesn't really exist just completely blows my mind. if free will doesn't exist, then why has this discussion even arose? surely some people have decided to go against the majority and express the free will we all have. just because you don't express your free will doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

I've been thinking about the same thing. The spaceship was also supposed to be visible for 3 days. From what I found out October 14 was a 3 day full moon cycle. Now that's two "coincidents" :bleh:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

goody8504

Who speaks the truth?

Who tells the lies?

Do you know the truth?

You "will" can be "free" yet conditioned, yes, very conditioned. That's my point. -feeler

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Our free will exists as part of the rules of the universal game of polarity integration nowdays playing in this planetary schoool...
But... Yes, but it has been manipulated for millenia by the reptilians... They have "taught" us to choose what they want us to choose ...
It is time for us to dismantle this mental programming...
Freedom of choice ( with all the implications and responsabilities that come with it ) is what we, as cocreators of our own reality , is what we need to learn to use to manifest our choices in our every day life...

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

I'd still like David Wilcock to answer that question I rose, thank you David, in your own time. :original:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Tuza

The above is your question, I believe. Let's wait for an answer. -feeler

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

thanks yall!
yep, this is what i had in mind:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4034482/
(ingo swann`s "penetration")
:cup:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

wait, you need to see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPkc-jhepGI

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

While you are waiting for an answer.... consider that you chose to be here to experience all this. This choice and the dynamics of it may well be unknown to your concious ego/mind at this time, but do you think that this "free-will" choice never took place?

I think a central point that a lot of people trapped in the cycle of re-birth fail to see, is that free-will extends beyond our concious minds and into our higher-selves. Decisions might be being taken without your ego's permission! Isnt that ok? Cant you see that this doesnt violate free-will?

The ego is some of the problem and many spiritual seekers invest quite a lot of effort putting an end to it.

A..

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Thank you Anchor,

I agree with everything you said, especially about ego and the rest, maybe DW could take note, being the totally spiritually aware and uplifted person that he is, I will note that it is therefore probably okay to diss another person over the radio (re Bill Deagle). Yes, that was very spiritually in tune.

So agreeing with your free will and all the rest I still would like my answer from DW which was very simple and only a few words, read my first post on this thread. If it is too hard for him to answer, well I will understand, trying to be spiritual and all.

Once again thank you Anchor.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

The will is yours but the influence is not necessarily the case.




The "will" of FOL can hardly be considered "the free will of the overwhelming majority of people on Earth."

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Well said.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

I am quite sure that our unconscious mind (i.e. our higher selves) do not "will" the alien abductions of children.

Re-posting...

- It's NOT the free will of the children to be kidnapped and be the reptilians’ daily supplements.
- It IS the free will of the vast majority of human adults to see the children of the earth grow up and have happy childhood.

This is a blatant violation of our free will. This is hypocrisy. -feeler

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Brrr, Brrr, Brrr, Brrr"

Hello, oh, ok, 'phone call for David Wilcock'

DW: Who is it.

Reply: I don't know sir, someone from Australia.

DW: Oh, Okay......Hello DW speaking.

Me: Kindly, nicely, asking see first post by Tuza in this thread.

DW: ...............click.

Me: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh, it was only a little question.:zip:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

If someone can get any credible evidence that October 14th was a data mining op we may put this one in the bag. Every computer can be watched and tracked just imagine google earth but it shows servers and connections now send out some crazy information and note the key areas in which it spreads - to suppress those people and see where and when.

Events like this from behind closed doors can offer up valuable sources on contacts, if blossom goodchild is telling the truth and she really did hear the voices it could be blue beam.

I thought we were all on board about this?? aliens are so overrated for good cause - to keep us thinking and not acting.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Our free will has nothing to do with an aliens free will.

I honestly have no clue if bluebeam is made by us or them all the talk about alien technology seems like a GREAT cover for people constantly putting myself and yourself in danger to create insane technology.

Aliens are such a scape goat and i of all people HATE to carry the gavel on this one... How many people have i met under complete mind control under Majics ******** (pardon my french) but its just .......... bah!

I know life forms exist on other planets but only about 3 to 5 % of all the alien stuff is real, if we can grasp that it throws so many whistle blowers stories out (now you tell me how many whistle blowers or research contradicts?) and us in our ignorance say "not one person can understand it all", keeping the circle moving.

I see people on here out of their god damn minds and i may get flagged for this but who cares, i get in trouble for you being crazy?? how does that work!

Now im not calling you anything feeler because frankly it would be judgmental but rather a little slab of what i call my reality.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Can I ask where you got the 3 to 5% of alien stuff is real please. Thanks.:original:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

JohnWdoe


I invite you to go through every single one of my past posts to locate any indication of my belief on an Oct 14 event.

Actually most people, including you, have seen technology at work that was out of this world, but without recognizing such. The majority "saw" collapses of buildings when in fact each tower was disintegrated into dust by particle weapons.

Do you know how many posts I wrote challenging Miriam Delicado's account of her alien contact? I even wrote to Bill to alert the two hosts that careful discernment is necessary in dealing with Miriam Delicado.

As a matter of fact, I am here questioning David Wilcock's claim that aliens have much respect for our free will; yet the same group just sit on the side line and watch our free will being compromised by alien intervention.

At any rate I appreciate your input; reality check is healthy and constructive. -feeler

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Good point, now to the crux: Did you believe it was even possible to happen? Doesn't seem like it. When the Blossom announcement came, there was so much scoffing and indignation that many were revealed (to themselves) to be NOT READY for such a significant event.

Being hopeful isn't enough to create reality - you have to learn to get out of your own way to experience it.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

80% of "UFO's" are 'critters'
15% are ours (ALL the triangle)
5% are visitors

IMO of course based on my research :bleh:

Re: Blossom... Possible scenario...

She had real messages... faithfully recorded them..
But on the 14th we shifted time lines and it didn't happen in this time line

Now my only problem is to find out just exactly WHAT is causing us to hop from one to another. When I figure that out, we will have something...


Disclaimer: Yeah yeah I know yawl think I'm nuts... but that's okay. But maybe, just maybe someone out there has the answer I need and for that I will risk lunacy :bleh:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Squeptikal

I didn't believe with 100% certainty that it would happen, but I certainly believe that it was possible. I was ready. My quote:



A later quote expressing my neutrality towards Blossom:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

The problem with your argument is that you dont seem to compare like with like. Just because the forces of darkness "get away" with free-will infringment, doesn't mean that the forces of light are exempt from the rules.

Emotive arguments that bring children suffering into it are all well and good, but you simply throw up even more barriers to being able to see the big picture.

A..

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Anchor

If I see a person lies to a child, encouraging the child to engage in a dangerous/deadly act, I will show myself and tell the truth to the child. I will not hide in a corner and "respect the child's free will" thinking I might scare the child.

Am I missing the big picture, the grand scheme of things? Please discuss. -feeler

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Depending on the circumstances that would likely be your duty. Children do deserve special care and attention.

I wish you had been around to sort out my parents about that whole Santa Claus/Father Christmas thing. It wasn't until being massively humiliated at school I realised that I was the last one of my group to know the truth AND that I had been lied to. Oh the pain... It took years to get over that they had lied to me.

Since you are asking me, I will answer - but I feel that my answer may be perceived as challenging or condescending - I dont mean it. This is abstract debate, I dont claim any kind of superiority in it, quite apart from the fact that I might even be wrong :)

Basically, I think you are certainly missing some of the big picture. You seem overly concerned with the day to day drama of the 3D consensus reality in which we find ourselves. By grounding your arguments therein, you cannot see the wood for the trees!

Taking your example further - If I see a child (or anyone else) being assaulted in some manner (not necessarily physical), then I will be likely to intervene. However, the manner of my intervention will be guided both by instinct and intuition. It might be physical intervention, but it could simply be the manifesting of love, protection, peace and calm. Either way I may end up praying for the abuser to see the light, and for the child to be protected whilst the complex catalyst it is experiencing works its way through.

If it is a really serious emergency, I might be calling for some heavy duty backup either in the form of 3D police, or a few legions of angels!

We all, without exception, have that power.

That is why we are going to prevail.

--

For the highest and best good of all, may the light of love be manifest in the hearts of all humans, and may peace descend on earth.

A..

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

[QUOTE=feeler;55042]Squeptikal

I didn't believe with 100% certainty that it would happen, but I certainly believe that it was possible. I was ready. My quote:

Neither did I believe that it would happen. What I was trying to say was that this is why I didn't believe - the rest of the crowd made such a blasphemy out of it that believing was tantamount to moon-bat stupidity. Emotions were blocking the potential and that, combined with logic, made manifest the impossibility of it. Hoping wasn't powerful enough to overcome the self defense mechanism we've been programmed to obey foremost.

I'm not sure that I'm ready. I've seen things before that defied my logical explanation and recently, my young son and I were witness to metallic balls at Norfolk, VA airport. Having his calm, rational observation matching my own now stands as my own individual realization that these things DO exist.

Since we were at an airport watching the skies for aircraft, our expectation was to see things in the sky. What we weren't expecting was that we would witness aerobatic impossibility performed by two non-aircraft. Since there was no threat nor any emotion to cause our automatic self-protect mechanism to kick in and prevent us from witnessing the sighting, we allowed ourselves to believe in what was there.

Quite possibly this is why out of multiple potential witnesses only some actually report seeing something like this which challenges our normally comfortable understanding of what we can see. They were not only ready, they weren't threatened into filtering it by their own minds.

This is one of the reasons that pilots, astronauts, and air show spectators, I believe, see things more frequently. Besides the obvious requirement of looking into the sky as a part of their focus, they expect to see other things in the sky. Perhaps there it a threshold of characteristics that cause a self-defense filtering of this observable phenomena.

This same threshold might also exist for lack of a better term as the reason that "we aren't ready" to collectively witness mother-ship UFO's. Consequentially, we remain held down by the PTB who's control system might be fatally struck by such a mass sighting.

:zip:

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

:roll1:David Wilcock:roll1:

Yes he's in the know:roll1:

People stop to listening to such a fraud!
He knows nothing, just making money in constructing an aura of a "prophet" or something around him.

But his historic knowledge is sooo minor that I hardly can believe that such a person got a college degree.


And just looking a bit similar to a deceased socalled "prophet" does make him a prophet, otherwise Elvis has come to earth in the bodies of thousands of peoples. Because there are so many Elvis inpersonators who look really similar to the king.

And besides, there are no proofs that Cayce was one, nothing he said came to reality.

Folks stop being credulous!






Hopefully this was not "too offensive" for you "love-spreaders" out there - just a critique.;)

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

It certainly was needlessly offensive, if only mildly so. You bag him with a few subjective and insulting statements for the sake of making one argument.

However, I like your post for it is redeemed in that one argument! I agree Regardless of who is the messenger or what qualifications/history they have, no-ones word should be trusted unconditionally - with the single exception of ones own self.

Thanks!

A..

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Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

I don't buy the whole "Aliens are here and waiting to talk to us" bs. Sorry.

I think that if Aliens were truly here and wanted to help us, they would be helping us, either through secret government contact or some other form of help.

However, none of that is happening, which tells me that:
-Aliens don't exist or if they do, are simply not on earth yet.


Any idiot can say anything he wants, and that is precisely what this entire story is. Just because you "believe" something does not make it true and unfortunately, people WANT to believe something because we are all in such a hopefully state of depression or wander aimlessly due to a total lack of purpose in life. That last point is why so many people have put on Suicide Vests in recent years.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Take it from someone that delivered 3 messages from the big guy each followed by a disaster of biblical proportions...

Telepathic Communications are real...
Mediums that contact Spirits are real...

being a messenger in todays world is tough, being a Prophet, impossible...

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

i think that only pure and lasting empathy invites the aliens. fear, stress, grudge or being scared of aliens as well as hostility are all NO-GOs.

If you`re inclined to worry, society sure has given you a good selection.
-Mark Twain-

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Something bothers me about a conversation like this. So what if spacecraft did show up in our skies on Oct 14th? What could it prove? One thing only. That whoever was the source of 'Blossom's' message was also responsible for the 'UFO' fly-over. That could be anyone including terrestrial powers who have UFOs and other technologies to pull a stunt like that.

Secondly, even if it was 'aliens', their appearance in UFOs would prove nothing about their motive and intentions, regardless of what was said in the chanellings. People who believe otherwise need to sober up and seriously examine the various possibilities.

Here's a good article with a few insights in that regard: http://www.montalk.net/notes/overloo...alien-presence

My own understanding is that there are no plans for positive spiritual beings to show up in UFOs in the event of a massive disaster scenario. These adepts do not operate like that. I believe they have advanced spacecraft but because they are beyond the need for them -- they can transport themselves by the power of their spiritualised mind -- they hardly ever use their craft. They certainly do not flaunt spacecraft to humanity as their spiritual ID and credentials. Why would they when even terrestrial criminals have advanced craft? Why muddy the waters for us?

The message of the true adepts is not overly concerned with our origin (or theirs) on other planets and star systems but with our origin in the spiritual plane. That is more important. Their message concerns the personal spiritual path of each soul and as Theresa said earlier, identifying and separating the lower- ego from the real- Self.

To that effect, the true adepts act from the inner planes and subtley influence the mind/emotions of human beings to help clarify our choices. Sometimes they identify themselves as the source of that inspiration (but not always) and the people who recieve their influence are free to reject it if they choose.

This planet and it's people have a heavy karma which has been building for ages. It is due and is manifesting as all the woes that have been described by various sources. The only intervention possible at this critical juncture is the relationship which i described using the discernment of our own spiritual- self to distinguish the spiritual adepts from lower astral entities.

In any event there is no external intervention on offer in the form of a revelation and landing by 'positive aliens' in UFOs. It's not going to happen and whoever turns up like that claiming to be our 'savior' is not. That includes but is not limited to a 'Jesus character'. He did not leave in a UFO and will not return in one.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

From what I've seen and read on Wilcock's website, by far the most interesting stuff is the 'consciousness science' he has gathered and presented which seems to definitely prove the existance of a homogenous field of consciousness being at the root of all manifestation. His three free e-books are of a world class level of rigorously backed up and referenced science, literally proving that the material universe is a function of and maniifestation of intelligent awareness. Thus, we have a rare opportunity to experience compelling scientific evidence that our collective intent, if harnessed, is capable of building any world we choose, and in fact has always done so.

Wilcock's website is huuge, and issues of prophecy don't seem to reflect his raison d'etre. I feel the main message from Wilcock to us all is that the latent power of man the creator is much greater than most of us have realized - and this is the greatest secret of the PTB.

Whilst we endulge in endless speculation regarding the occluded, mystery filled issues of control groups, UFOs, and future timelines, the PTB isn't that concerned, as we are playing safely in an area of reaction and anxiety. To maintain an attitude of us vs. them necessarily keeps us down, and the dance we have danced from the beginning shows no sign of abatement. The PTB are in truth in power positions because they represent our own 'dark side' - and as any person who hasn't yet faced their own dark side is subject to the reactivity and self limitation of the parts of themselves which are not exposed to the light and integrated, we are all as a group faced with the same situation.

The Ra of Law of One fame once offered the tidbit that in order for one man to move a mountain using purely mental means, he would have to be purified of all distortion. Yet a large assemblage of persons acting in concert could hold a significant degree of distortion yet be able to move said mountain. I believe this speaks to the situation at hand, and the latent power of man.

The main game of the PTB is keeping us from finding out about our power to potentially instantly choose to use the power of consciousness to move into a place where they are totally irrelevent as a negative force, and in fact to transform this world into the next stage of evolution - a place where love rules. Many will tell you this is pie in the sky, and for many it is. Yet for those interested in knowing the absolute be-all and end-all of worldly secrets - that one understanding which the entire game has been about keeping from you, it's as simple as preventing as many of us as possible from realizing that humanity has such amazing powers, right now already, and always have. We could literally in the blink of an eye fundamentally change the world, right now, if enough of us got together with this knowledge. All starvation, poverty and want would literally disappear instantly, if we so focused on this outcome.

This is the great secret of the ages - of those who have enslaved you.

It's as freaking simple as that.

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

milk and honey

Thank you. I provided the two quotes below contrasting each other. Again, I acknowledge that the will is ours and free; however the free will is lacking under the current circumstance.

Hopefully, from the discussion among our fellow members thus far, we have a better sense as to whether David Wilcock's statement is logical, valid, and applicable to similar prophecies in the future.

A UFO appearance would get people thinking outside the constraint of the Bible and other religious doctrines. It doesn't mean the ET's are benevolent; it doesn't mean the visitors are necessarily real ET's. Even if the crafts turn out to be back-engineered, it's still an indication/hint of the original source - UFO's.

The quality of our free will is greatly compromised, if we by and large operate and make our choices out of blind faith, propaganda, lies, and half-truths. Perhaps a limited appearance would be a good starting point to motivate people to step out of their conditioning and explore the truth. -feeler

Re: Oct 14 event canceled due to “free will” per David Wilcock
 

Sheesh
wilcock is a dingle berry
and the whole thing was a lame psyop to get y'all whacky yakking

lol


-->the aliens you encounter are the aliens you choose to experience<--

if you BELIEVE that fascist lizards are going to descend from spacecraft,
then that will happen for you.

If you BELIEVE that Greys and Zeta Ridiculans and shape ****ters
infest the planet, then they are under your bed.

Nancy Leider and the J Rod eloped last night.

There is no question that alien societies exist
with technologiocal superiorities to Earth ,and these alien star systems
are probably just as fascist pig as the International Criminal Clown War Puppet Masters
on Planet Earth.

so what...?
even if they ... "took over..."
humans still have God Consciousness
and the Angel Within.
Mankind's history is rife with conflict and war and aggression.
The neo con tyrants want to create a space weapons race.

Maitreya is universal.
Kuan Yin is a presence of Compassion.
and the Lotus Blossom fractalizes into infinty


the Mayan Jaguar came to me in a dream
and flashed with his eyes the universal sacred geometries
into my third eye with just a glance.




Alien presences of higher benevolence are experienced on a higher plane of consciousness.
Interdimensional contact is not by spacecraft.


It is by Experience.

wilcock is a distraction...:trumpet:


Creators of the the designer Solar System
have no "mother ship".....
they don't need one,.

:lol3: