Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Milkandhoney, that was a very good post and I agree, we need to assess and think about what we are being told even from alternative sources.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Just for the record this is my first contribution to any website.

I am 47 years old and come from a very traditional family and business background. Having arrived at this point in my life and having experienced much of the world in it's overt form I started to ask questions. Much of that which I have discovered, at first, disturbed me. However, the more I learned the better I felt.

What I find frustrating and sometimes difficult is the attitude of others to what I try and open their minds to. Generally I can get away with it because people repect me for what I have achieved etc, but I am often left wondering if these people think I am crazy.

Talking to people you know well or otherwise about these issues is a little like telling someone diagnosed with cancer that they should not do chemotherapy (and by the way, I do know a lot about that subject). We are brought up to think in a way others wish us to think; doctors who are essentially God authority figures must be correct in their advice etc etc. Many people find it very hard to break this conditioned way of thinking.

I don't want to bore anyone here, but those of you who are reading this are doing so for a reason. Remember why you have arrived at this point, because you are already 90% of the way there. Yes, there is a huge amount of content out there for you to digest and learn more about, but your inner self will tell you what is real.

Regards & Best Wishes To All.
Ian.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Hi King Lear,

Just want to add that when billy Meier said all others are "liars". It was a mistranslation. This was only realized last year on the Figu forum website after some discussion. Obviously the mistranslation has not been corrected in any previously published works, and there is no guarantee that it won't appear again in future editions unless people check specifically to prevent that.

Billy only writes in German -- a form of Swiss German. The error occurred, just as it often does in Japanese (which I experience here in Japan), because the German word (I'm sorry I don't recall it) just like the Japanese word "uso" means "not the truth". The concept of intent, or intentionally saying an untruth as to mislead, as in "to lie", is not included in the original German word or the Japanese "uso". There is no word for liar carrying "intent to deceive" or knowingly saying an untruth. That and untruths are all just referred to by the same word, and this was unknown at Figu and with Billy. Billy Meier is also not the one who translates his writings into English, of course.

Similarly with the translation into "insane" or "mental illness". What we might call wild imaginings, or imagination run amok, or delusionally believing the imaginary to be real, this is what he is usually referring to as these other mental conditions in the original Swiss German.

On the topic of "no other contactees besides him". Billy was also initially shocked to receive this. The meaning of "contactee" for the Plejaren (and now Billy) is, however, and I'm paraphrasing "one who has open meetings and discussions with human ETs". So 1. there must be discussions; and 2. the discussions must be with humans from other worlds. This does not include androids, and Billy Meier has said that at least certain Greys that have visited us were androids, meaning bioorganic robots. These are not human, as they do not possess a spirit/soul, which for the Plejaren and Billy is what determines "human". So anyone contacting Grays are not contactees according to Meier but they may be interacting with some thing ET, but not human. In addition there must be discourse between the two for real contact. Also, he has said some Grays are manufactured by our military or powers on earth and that these Earth creations have been used to abduct people, so people contacting these android Grays also cannot be called contactees by their definition, as 1 they do not have a spirit/soul and 2 they are of the earth; and also 3. usually there is no open discourse.

This may not completely clear the air on these issues but it should help to shed some light.

BTW in a question I put to Billy about the Roswell Grays he said they were actually androids coming from Zeta Reticuli on a mission (for their masters presumably) but something went wrong, which again differs from what Kerry and Bill are concluding to date.

Two other questions I put to Billy Meier follow:
1. Who made the Roswell biological androids?
Answer: "Human beings from the Zeta Reticuli system."
2. Why are they here, or what were, or are, these androids doing here, and have they conducted examination contacts?
Answer: "They were on an excursion and a very long time on the way because they were travelling with sub-light speed.

Finally, while it doesn't reveal much, this is an alleged discourse between Billy Meier and the Plejaren Ptaah on Roswell:

Billy: And what about Roswell, do the beings foreign to earth, which were bioorganic androids, belong to you as well?

Ptaah: Of course, not all so-called UFOs were spaceships of beings foreign to earth, because the majority of all observations of such objects were and are still today based on earthly things, for example on electromagnetic or atmospheric phenomena but also based on other natural occurring happenings, like swarms of insects or birds, dust formations and so forth, or on meteors from space. Apart from that, there were and still are many objects of futuristic forms of secret, military origin belonging to different countries, that were and still are described as UFOs or extraterrestrial flying craft by earth human beings due to a lack of knowledge regarding the origin and construction of these objects.
What has to be said concerning Roswell is that we and our federation and all beings foreign to earth, and who were flying into earth's space, and then joined our federation, did not have anything to do with this incident. There had been five visitors foreign to earth, which joined our federation. In another case, this was not possible because we were not able to contact them. ...those we could not contact and have remained foreign to us. The thing about Roswell is another and special case, because back then bioorganic androids were found.

Best to all.
cpl

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Thank you Bill. I am very skeptical when it comes to people with military or secret service background since I believe that both agencies have the ability to mind control people and block or erase memories, besides giving false documents.

Although since I don't know Mr. Lear's statements that much (I've watched the camelot interviews twice), I have to give a little bit more of my trust to William Cooper (and yes it is because of "the hour of the time"). It's just my emotion based opinion.

By the way, sorry for my ignorance but what is "UFO disease"?

Thank you once again for your post and care.

Peace and truth for all.

Ps: Very good posts "milk and honey" and "Ian".

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Dear clp1516,
first I have to say that WRITTEN Swiss German is in fact German!
In written words there are no differences, it's just vocally.
Because in the German Swiss (70% of Switzerland) people speak two German dialects: 1. Hoch-Alemannisch and 2. Höchst-Alemannisch

The largest part of the German Swiss speaks Hoch-Alemannisch and down in the south to the French and Italian border they speak Höchst-Alemannisch.
In south-western Germany people speak Alemannisch, so for southern Germans it isn't very difficult to understand Swiss Germans verbally, but all Germans can understand the written words.

I'm sorry for being a smartass:wink2:


And now back to the statement of Billy, i heard it in an interview he gave and i read it in the original german contact note everyone can read on the BillyWiki. I will look up the sources again to show you the evidence.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.





P.S. The word you couldn't recall - is it "unwahr"?

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Hi -- there's not much more to tell than what I already said and wrote on our Camelot blog...

The craft appeared to be 'one of ours' meaning that I would intuitively classify it as being made on Earth... It was however exceedly modern/high tech, black and very large... somewhat flat in appearance from underneath it...

No I did not report it to Swiss flight control although we were contacted by several others in the Montreux area who reported seeing several similar crafts over time.

Kerry

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Dear Kerry.

Please buy a camra phone so next time You get to share it ;)

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

evidences clp1516:



Look up this video-interview http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...om&hl=de&emb=1

at 9:20, 53:00 and 56:28!!!

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

It's not being a smartass to share what you know about Swiss German.

According to a German friend here, and others, Billy's German is not any usual form of German, but a kind of uneducated/self-educated form. Of course, Germans can read and understand it, but it's a bit unusual, isn't it? In the sense that an English country farmer's English is a bit unusual from a non-English person's perspective, even when written.

I never really did take note of the original German word, though I'm sure I read it in the discussions. I was more intrigued with how it echoed completely what I experience on a near daily basis here in Japan with Japanese. The folks doing the translations from German to English who really brought this to notice are the Gaiaguys duo, Dyson and Vivienne. If I get time I'll try and find their original post on it, if you are not familiar with their Figu forum posts already (a search there will probably bring it up under Translations thread).

One of the complications here is that, of course, some do intentionally deceive (liars) while others do not. So one word will not suffice for all occasions which is the whole problem. There are so many references it requires going through all the published works and looking at each referenced case individually then checking each of those again with Billy. Figu folks would like to be able to check with Billy that the German word/s they have in each instance is correct and what he intended. I'm not holding my breath while they get around to that considering there is so much new material still left unpublished and literally thousands of pages waiting their first translation into English, and that Billy is in weakened health and now an aged man.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

FWIW, the OP was not offensive in any way. His avatar could be considered quite offensive, but only Lear knows for sure. Is this Lear? Or a friend?

The question was a legitimate one, and answered quite well by Bill and Kerry.

elirien poses an even better series of questions.

Furthermore, Who is gov ops? And who is straight up? And who has been brainwashed?

Lear himself said this is what happened to Lazar, although perhaps he has recovered???

My own theories of "ufo and alien life here or there" are only just a small part of the equation, so it matters not, but I firmly believe in them RIGHT NOW. I am sure everyone else feels the same.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

We can overcome that he speaks a kind of rural-"uneducated" variance of German - yes.
For example he uses old-fashioned words like "Gemüt" which no German under 50 uses anymore.

But the written word he uses is standard High-German.

No, I'm not familiar with this.
And yes, you are right, translation work isn't so easy, even on two so much related languages (germanic and Indo-European) - but some words are pretty clear.


A few days ago I saw a lecture of a FIGU member in America, probably Billy's proxy, together with Wendelle Stevens and another guy.
And my impression was that the Swiss proxy, who hold his lecture in English, did not really understand/speak the English languge good enough.
That was pretty clear when the audience started to ask questions to the panel.

And he (the Swiss proxy) also told the audience about the translation problems, that almost every word which is translated, Billy criticises.
And by this he is right and also wrong, because some words do have several meanings but some are pretty definitive, like "Idioten", "Lügner", "Schizophrenie"....

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

“FIGU Bulletin 002 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...U_Bulletin_002
As the only true contactee of the Pleiadians, I have been approached by no less than seventy-one individuals in writing, by phone and FAX over the past twenty years, who contend that they, too, were having contacts with the Pleiadians, namely with Semjase, Quetzal, Ptaah and some Pleiadian fantasy personages. Such claims are pure, unparalleled nonsense, for the Pleiadians/Plejarans have vehemently denied these assertions. Among these liars was an American millionaire, an American movie actress, certain doctors, engineers, a priest and many others. More than 30 of these 71 individuals claimed they were designated by Ptaah, Quetzal, Semjase, or somebody else

FIGU Bulletin 008 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...U_Bulletin_008

At that time we were suddenly being exploited by dozens of delusional people, liars, frauds, deceivers, and charlatans who claimed we had or were having contacts with them. The irony of this scenario is that these sick and dishonest people with their delusional, deceitful and fabricated stories, are being accepted as telling the truth by practically all UFO groups, although their fabrications bore not one iota of truth

Contact Report 357 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Bil...act_Report_357


54. An unbelievable number of deceivers, swindlers as well as liars assert that they are in telepathic, personal, or perceptible or some other kind of contact with extraterrestrial intelligences, whereby, however, as a rule, everything is only pure invention, corresponding to profit-making, a delusion or effective schizophrenia.
54. Unglaublich viele Betrüger und Betrügerinnen, Schwindler und Schwindlerinnen sowie Lügner und Lügnerinnen behaupten, mit ausserirdischen Intelligenzen in telepathischem, persönlichem, empfindungsmässigem oder sonst irgendwelchem Kontakt zu stehen, wobei aber in der Regel alles nur reinen Erfindungen, der Profitmacherei, einem Wahn oder effectiver Schizophrenie entspricht.

55. Quite especially in regard to us Plejaren, respectively Pleiadians, as we called ourselves in the terrestrial German language at the beginning of our contacts, very many lies, swindles, deceptions and frauds are put into operation on the Earth, and indeed through male as well as female Earth humans.
55. Ganz speziell in bezug auf uns Plejaren resp. Plejadier, wie wir uns in der irdischen deutschen Sprache zu Beginn unserer Kontakte nannten, wird auf der Erde sehr viel Lug, Schwindel, Trug und Betrug betrieben, und zwar sowohl durch männliche wie weibliche Erdenmenschen.

56. Actually, however, with the exception of yourself, from all our peoples of our great federation, which encompasses a measure of distance of 48,000,000 light-years, no personal, telepathic, perceptional or other contact at all with Earth humans exists in the form that they could be perceived, whether consciously, subconsciously or unconsciously.
56. Tatsächlich jedoch existieren ausser dir von allen unseren Völkern unserer grossen Föderation, die weitenmässig 48 Millionen Lichtjahre umfasst, keinerlei persönliche, telepathische, empfindungsmässige oder sonstige Kontakte zu Erdenmenschen in der Form, dass diese bewusst, unterbewusst oder unbewusst wahrgenommen werden könnten.” King Lear.



"...no less than seventy-one individuals...", "....dozens of delusional people, liars, frauds, deceivers, and charlatans...", "...these [emphasis mine] sick and dishonest people with their delusional, deceitful and fabricated stories...", "...An unbelievable number ...", "...as a rule..."

These words do not in and of themselves indicate every alleged contactee on the planet, though they have said so more recently, qualified by their definition of "contactee".

If dozens of these people were delusional that may not make them "liars" by our understanding but it might by the Plejaren who are using German, and who IMO are really quite cool and logical in their thinking and speaking manner. I sometimes feel the Ps are a little weak on the feeling side, and Billy had to pull them up once on not expressing their emotional/feeling side enough. It's easy to ask, "Where is their compassion for these "delusional" ones, then?" But I'm not in their situation and cannot answer for them, so I cannot really judge. Unfortunately we cannot discuss this with them to find out for sure. It seems to me that their position is that they have to help Billy just bring the cold hard facts to the public and the public can like it or lump it. So for the most part they lump it.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Hey Bill & Kerry, you guys rock...k that's out of the way, had to do it ;)

I was wondering what your guys' take on Montauk is? I've seen/heard Dan Burisch's account, you hear David Wilcock's account from his sources, and Preston Nichols. I have noticed that these whistle blowers all sort of take credit for the same events including other stories like the aiding of an EBE through a stargate. I asked this question in this thread here about Preston Nichols but I wonder; Are these multiple stories from the same facilities that have similar results or is there a proverbial shell-game being played with all of us here (find the real montauk "heroes" under the shell!)? Or are the stories we hear about the employee uprising at Montauk/S4 actually a group effort but no one mentions each other to avoid implication?

Thanks, rock on...

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Thanks for sticking with that refutation King Lear. You've amply demolished the assertion that Billy Meier was mistranslated on one single word. Assertions like that, and other partial truths, often go unchalenged for the want of one person who knows their stuff. Thanks again.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

When did Project Camelot interview Billy Meier?? is it new or am i just reading things wrong??

I think Bill and Kerry are alot more aware then we believe because frankly they are living it and breathing it.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

I did not say that they interviewed him yet, I just took him as a strong example of an "insider" who calls other "insiders" disinformed,liars and lunatics!


Well, some people say these contradictions and different versions are just because every "insider" sees the elephant from a different angle.


But i think there are some liars indeed, and we as truth-seekers have the task to know who.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Two bickering our a fight to win you must lose its up to yous

Love brothers love

:roll1:

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

This is a perfect example of how human beings can start a conflict over nothing.
Since Bill clearly wasn't offended by the question, then neither should anyone else.(after all it was directed at him)
It can be hard to tell what frame of mind a person is in when they post a comment as there is no tone of voice or facial expression to go with it.

Remember the negative path should be avoided at all costs.

Peace and harmony to all (please)

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

I agree completely. I was in the midst of a bad day, saw King Lears post and thought he was being a smartass.
I took the bait and now im stretched out at the fish market!

Lesson learned, actually i wanna thank King Lear for teaching me a little bit more about myself. :thumb_yello:

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

That I never doubted. That piece of information is like gravity itself in my humble opinion. You don't have to prove that an apple falls down neither do you need to prove the stars you see mathematically.

Re: Dear Kerry and Bill do you believe everything?
 

Do you really mean it LNL?

Because, I really hadn't bad intentions, and if you really mean this serious I would like to reach you the hand of forgiveness, peace and friendship mate.:original:


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