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May I suggest that if anyone looks up the word "parhelion" in a dictionary, they will discover that there is nothing new under the sun. It's been known about for hundreds of years. :wall:

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Many of these effects are quite new to scientists, or why would they be talking about them and so
many now questioning them? Is it possible that they cant read dictionaries, or for that mater their
own text books in their studies?

Thank you for all your inputs, and while some may say these have been around for hundreds of
years, you have to ask yourself why then are scientists and all of us going OOoohhh WOW I've
never seen one of those before. :shocked:

Now when did people start to see these? Not very long ago. Thats the point.

http://epod.usra.edu/archive/images/...cent_waves.jpg

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I suggest that it is only since UFOs were brought to public attention by Kenneth Arnold back in 1947, that more people started looking at the sky - including scientists. Astronomers peering through telescopes are not interested in clouds of any shape or size provided they don't block their view.
Certainly more odd cloud formations have been reported in recent years because more people are looking up to the heavens due to the feeling of doom and gloom that is being generated by the publicity given to "the end of the world in 2012" scenario. Couple that with the biblical prophecies in the Book of Revelations, and you have people tripping over their own feet with their heads back searching for "signs in the sky."
I know, been there done that and I've got the scars to prove it. :lol3:

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RIGHT!:thumb_yello:

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Noctilucent clouds have always been around-when the sun lights up the ionosphere when all else is dark the last rays of the sun over the curvature of the earth.Diffraction occurs in the ice particles in the clouds-hence beautiful rainbows and ribbons.There's lots to meteorology-In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.

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Brinty,
This is misdirection and misinformation.
For those that have done their own research, not just reading what someone else has to say about
someone else's research, know that this has been in the "public awareness", including scientists,
for decades and even centuries before that event.

This is pure misdirection.
It is the meteorologists that have the records of strange cloud formations and the rainbow effects,
not astronomers. Care to show us all from the old text books and records what they saw or didn't
see and make reports about?

Again, more misinformation and misdirection.
It's not the peoples reports but the scientists reports that will show when these odd cloud
formations started showing up. As for the bible predictions, you will find more "signs" listed in
other bible books than you will in Revelations.

Thanks for the humorous depiction of stumblers, with such an admission by yourself too. :lmao:

Warngen
WRONG :thumbdown: As you, I like getting right to the point. :original:

Anta,
NLCs (my initials) have not been brought up as a sign of the bible. We are still getting information
about when those were first seen. To my understanding, they are not iridescent, nor do they have
a rainbow like effect, but are mostly blue. Thank you for bringing them up though. :original:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...thered_med.jpg

From here, http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/19feb_nlc.htm

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Well Norval, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :hammer: BUT!!! I think one thing we will both agree on is the old expression that you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. :doh:

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Then that horse will die thirsty, won't it? :lmao:

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Hey everyone.

I took these photos earlier today in Limerick, Ireland.

I noticed a lot of planes flying over every few mins. They were also traveling way faster than ordinary commercial aircraft but at a similar altittude.

I dont know if these are anything important but I said Id post em for yere analysis.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3762
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3761
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3766
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3769
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3765
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3764
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3771

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Sorrty Norval but I have to disagree with you. :nono: A horse will drink when it's thirsty - not when a man thinks it should. :drink_nl:

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Nice one Brinty.

Some people should learn to take there own advice!

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lets just face it everyone....Norval is ALWAYS right and theres no one on this earth that can argue with him. why? simply because he is all knowing on any topic he brings up. He is the ultimate researcher and possesses ultimate knowledge!. I bow down to you Norval. What shall I do to serve thy highness?
Please, enlighten me on all of your great knowledge, especially about meteorology. Ive only been studying it for 6 years, but my studies and knowledge does in no way compare to yours, since you were spontaneously given supreme knowledge on every topic. I need help in one particular topic in meteorology. Here is my question.

A thunderstorm approaching from the northwest creates a visible lightning stroke. There is a 5 m/s wind from the southeast blowing into the storm, and the temperature is 30*C. If you hear thunder 10s after seeing the lightning, how far away was the stroke? Please give the answer in km.
Im sure that if I know the answer, than you should to.
Thanks for your superior intergalactic knowledge that is un-surpassable.

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Ah, lets see,hmmm, ah, hmmm, ah, well, hmmm, my little tiny uneducated guess is, hmmm, well I'll let norval handle it.

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:original::naughty::lmao::lmfao::mfr_lol::lol3::wi nk2::tongue2:

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Them Dutch guys are looking in the sky for centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_telescopes

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Here is some more data on these Auroras along with a word on why they have only recently started to be picked up on:

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/20...908circuit.htm

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/20...tric-earth.htm

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G'day Brinty Sir, how are you, I have a link here that might help your horse to a glass of Guiness!
Did thoes bad ET's Norval's allways going on about kill almost half of mankind with the black death? :wink2: (ROUND ABOUT 1350 AD)

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That book they mention on this site; The Gods of Eden by William Bramley is one heck of an eyeopener. Read it twice and going for a third time.......

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You are a dark horse Swami! A well read dark horse!

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Arrow by arrow, Beau........Shouldn't shoot them all at once. A lack of ammo can kill you......

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That's a very cool link. :original:

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Why thank you, old friend!

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Bobbi was doing some research this morning and came up with these articles about sea levels that
you may find interesting.

"A serious problem confronts any researcher who looks into the question of tides and sea levels,
especially in a search for that elusive concept known as "mean sea level," (MSL) or "Zero Point
of the Sea" (as Captain Sir James Clark Ross, the 19th century British Antarctic explorer, called
it."
http://web.archive.org/web/200502210...s/2000/sea.htm

And,

"The ocean floor has got on average older and gone down and so the sea level has also fallen,"
said Bernhard Steinberger at the Geological Survey of Norway, one of five authors of a report in
the journal Science.

"The trend will continue," he told Reuters.
http://www.reuters.com/article/envir...rpc=22&sp=true


Warngen,
Thank you for the kind accolades. :original:
As an old sailor / boater of some 50+ years, I still trust my local news weather person, don't
you? Now as for your question, I have to ask, it's relevance to the thread is what? Or, are we just
seeing another aspect of thread manipulation with the motive and intent of this known tactic; "If
you can't attack the material, then attack the person posting it." I think it is quite well known I
never finished high school, thus there are no "credentials" to discredit.

While Gale and myself are getting pretty good at identifying who's who on these forums there are
others now using the same methods we do that are getting pretty good also. This too being a sign
of the times. Remarkably, another aspect is the usage of our languages and wording that just
doesn’t reflect having grown up in areas where other words would be much more normal;
hermanudics, or the "flavor" of the language comes to mind.

Another "sign in the sky's" are the crash landing UFOs of these losers of that heavenly war in our
solar system. Then there are those that are still flying around our planet and solar system to also
be acknowledge, as most of us have that post here. Knowing that these craft that have been in
our sky's since like forever, thousands of years, are ET craft for a fact, and in our more modern
times it is quite possible that we have some of our own.

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Here is a rainbow effect that I caught one day last winter where I live in the Toronto area. As you can see, the sun is to the right and it is early in the day, the sun is rising.

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OSLO (Reuters) - Sea levels are set to fall over millions of years, making the current rise blamed on climate change a brief interruption of an ancient geological trend, scientists said on Thursday.(MAKING THE CURRENT RISE BLAMED ON CLIMATE CHANGE)!:tongue2:

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Do this experiment because you won't just take my word for it... and we all know the scientists lie to us :bleh:

Go to your refrigerator and get ice cubes... put them in a glass then fill it to the brim so that the ice floats above the rim..

Let it melt...

Does the glass overflow? Or is the level now BELOW the rim?


Ice EXPANDS when it freezes. therefor as the ice MELTS the level DECREASES

The ice floating in the water displaces water... and fills the space with ice...

When that ice melts the 'hole' fills with water. As Ice takes more space than the water it displaces...

Guess what? NO INCREASE IN SEA LEVEL

Do they not teach basic science in schools these days? :roftl:

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Really? So you understand how HAARP works then? Or is this a theory?

Well here is one that ought to get ya... T-Rex in all his glory

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...Kreminski1.jpg

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Hi Gale and Norval,

I'm interested to know where you are going with this sea level thing.

I don't think we should get stranded with this - is it going up? or is it going down? thing. IMO it's probably doing both but in different parts of the world, due to magnetic changes.

So where is all the water going? that's what I want to know. you've got my attention.

norman. :shocked:

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Whatever, I'm finished with this thread, just tell the people in the Cataret Islands that it's all a hoax.

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This is the case when ice is floating in water. What about Greenland then? I thought the ice in Greenland lays on land, what if that melts? Then there would be a lot of water coming into the oceans which is sweet water. The salinity of the water changes and gets colder. Already the conveyor belt
is slowing down which could bring a new iceage.........

http://www.iceagenow.com/Growing_Glaciers.htm

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Now that's weird... what happened to my other post?

Guess I will have to do it over ARRGGGGGG

Yes the ice on Greenland is on land... so is the Ice on Antarctica... so is the ice in the Himalayan Mountain glaciers which are all melting at increase rate.

Yes THIS ice would raise sea levels, but we were talking sea ice before :bleh:

Yes this would change salinity... a side effect of that is that some ships would sink because their buoyancy is based on current salt water conditions

The SUN is getting warmer... Notice on the graph below the 1400-1600 dip that corresponds to the Mini Ice Age of the Medieval times

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...un_Temp_01.png

Global Temperatue Chart 2500 BC to Present

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...2abdf79551.jpg

The chart above does not really need any words, it is pretty self explanatory. Though we should do whatever we can to eliminate pollution and take care of our environment, the chart shows that Global warming and cooling will go on with or without mankind's involvement

415,000 Year Temperature Graph

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...temp-graph.jpg

This graph is drawn from the data gathered from the Vostok ice core samples and, unlike the tree ring data, is scientifically sound and uncontroversial. Looking at the above graph, there have been six periods in the last 415,000 years when global temperature exceeded today’s temperature by as much as nine degrees. 10,000 years ago, the global temperature was five degrees higher than today.


No in case that the sea levels really do rise to the same levels they were the last time all the ice melted... if you live in any of the following areas you may wish to learn to tread water... or buy a boat :tongue2:


Ancient Sea Levels North America, Cretaceous

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...s/wis-map2.jpg

Ancient Sea levels North America, Jurassic

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...seaway_900.jpg


Here are a couple world maps..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...eomap_Cret.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...eomap_Quat.jpg


Still looking for a good ancient sea level map for Europe

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Well okay you want signs in the sky?

I have a great collection... {and added more from this thread, thanks :thumb_yello: )

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie..._Cloud_010.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...20070906_1.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...0070906_6a.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie..._Cloud_014.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie...Cloud_004a.jpg

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Noctilucent Clouds

This one is looking back at you :shocked:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancie.../Petersen1.jpg

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You are spot on Zorgon. If all the ice at the north pole melts, sea level won't rise because the ice is floating on water.

BUT! it is quite a different story at the south pole where Antarctica is a continent with ice cover that can be kilometers thick.

So, if that ice melts, you better either move to higher ground, or learn to breath under water. :original:

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You are absolutely right!!!!:shocked: These rainbows are formed by a heavy concentration of Dihyrogen Oxide... I can prove that... :thumb_yello:

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Such pretty "iridescent" clouds, thank you Zorgon, but as they are asking about what they have to
do with and why, I guess I should explain?

What was the earth like before the flood? Yes, covered in clouds. We were protected from
radiation by this water in the form of clouds. After the flood gates of the "heavens" were opened
and the rains stopped we had no clouds as before. Besides our life spans dropped drastically.

Our thoughts are that we are seeing these new rainbow like effects because of much more water
in our atmosphere these past couple of decades. The water is evaporating into our atmosphere
causing these new rainbow effects. There yah all have it.

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I have personally been of the opinion that before the flood there was either never any rain, or there was perpetual cloud cover. My reasoning was that God was supposed to have put a rainbow in the sky as a covenant that he wouldn't bring on another flood.

Leaving that theory to one side, that rainbow must have been a first. We all know that sunlight refracts in water droplets giving us a rainbow. (As an interesting aside, everybody sees a different rainbow). At the end of the flood there was obviously water droplets in the air so the only new thing happening at that time was uninterrupted sunshine.

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yer learning, , grins

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???

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Swami,
If, possible, can you find a picture of what it would look like with the oceans receding by 50 - 100 meters
and post that?
Thank you.