Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

Sorry dude I wasnt saying you had got anything wrong. Finding the source of where info has been slightly changed the 1st time is always tough but usually always happens. The Deagle interview being the most major one lately.

Alex Jones actually misquoted himself :). Originally refering to Ickes reptilian agenda as the turd in the punchbowl of good knowledge but indeed on that vid (you posted) Jones himself says "when i called him the.."

Alex likes to bend the facts as much as possible without lieing to get more people on our side and to get people to do their own research.

Anyone who said he doesnt talk about the jesuits is not telling the truth.

If Alex Jones decides to avoid the knights of malta of jesuit agenda then it may be others know more than him when it comes to detail, or he may genuinely fear from what he could say despite being the front liner he is, til death he will fight etc.

Im a fan, thats all that matters and like us, his opinions gladly change the more knowledge he receives

I enjoy listening to Alex Jones. Regardless of the issues he is happy to learn and change his views as he learns more

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

[QUOTE=... fine researcher and he deserves
respect and recognition.
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yes I agree,..as a person,but work itself should be questioned and there is nothing bad or vicious in it ...

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Today, a lot of those under the 'Limelight' were eating pablum when he began his research.
Go see his site, and check for yourself.
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simple fact that he is 72 and I m 45 is nothing .. he begin earlier ...
that is GOD FOR HIM for starters...

so what if we have been eating pablum at the time ? does it mean that we should take anything served as a... TV diner? no questions asked?

and YES I had maxwell books before he has the site ... we are more than 15 years "spaciren" together ....

but that one doesnt gave me a RIGHT to preach to anybody , I just want people to research by THEMSELF.

QUESTION EVERYTHING !!


be well
GB

*****

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

I do not understand when someone is calling Alex Jones an agent of the oppressors, after listening to many of his broadcasts on the net and seeing many of his films it is absolutely clear to me that he is on our side, the ordinary people that struggles to survive in this hole NWO mess. I also do not understand why people try to make Jones Moore Cooper Icke and Maxwell out as antagonists, they are simply attacking the problems from different angels that does not automatically make them into enemies.

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

Well put.

I will add one comment about the fear aspect of Alex Jones. Yes, it is scary. But then cruel cruel hard reality often is. Look at the savanna for example.

I think people need to tune in to the fact that, as a species we really aren't very far evolved from a pure state of nature in our thinking and actions.

Best Wishes

M

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

obviously nobody here has studied the jfk assassination thoroughly or they wouldn't have such wonderful things to say about bill cooper. he used blurry old faded copies of the zapruder film to futher his theory that the driver shot jfk. it was absolutely preposterous. first, any good copy of the film clearly shows the sun shining on the passenger SS man's head is the same glare that cooper claims was a gun. Second, there was a glass partition between the connelys and the fron seat where the secret service sat and if the driver fired a shot, it would have exploded the glass in fact you can see the connellys head bounce against it when the brakes were applied.

i have studied this assassination for 30 years and consider myself competant in the subject and guys like cooper have given "conspiracy theorists" a bad personna. if he twisted the truth in other events like he did with jfk, how can anyone deem him as credible.

Namaste'

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

I am a fan of Cooper's but I am not in agreement with his thesis on the JFK assasination.

However, he was a dedicated man in attempting to get unpalatable truth to ordinary folks. He was talking about the New World Order long before the likes of Jones and Michael Moore were on the scene. His information came from the "inside", as he served with Naval Intelligence and was associated with the De Molay movement as a young man. His association with De Molay may indicate that his family may have a masonic history? (he himself believed he was chosen for intelligence work due to his prior membership of De Molay -they saw him as the "right" kind of person).

I do not believe he twisted the JFK "truth" for his own benefit but I do believe he was wrong in this instance. However, I have never seen the logic in throwing out the baby with the bathwater. This doesn't mean all Cooper's research should be disregarded and his intentions should be admired, in my opinion.

If you have studied the JFK assasination for 30 years, have you concluded that the official explanation is truth or otherwise? If you have concluded "otherwise", how successful have you been in passing on your research to folks at large?

I am genuinely interested as I believe JFK and 9/11 are the best examples to show people that governments lie and deceive (at the very least) to achieve their aims.

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

I once felt a bit of panic after first starting to listen to Jones on a daily basis quite some time ago but over time you get aclimatised to it and now there is no fear or panic and thats the same when i listen to the worst no matter who the source. Let the fear in, let it sweep over you and away, its not long before youve dont feel it any more. His style is obviously fear based but nowadays he knows the critical comments he gets so he now says, folks, I dont mean to scare you, im not fear mongering, this is the truth, im just reading news from mainstream media, which often he is.


And yeah the driver def. didnt shoot JFK, that would just be ridiculous. The vid that looked like he did was a decent theory apart from the drivers head clicking back round in one frame, and the other vid clearly showing the light that was making this seem possible when it was just light

With the JFK zepruder film, there was a great little mini doc I saw that theorised that the real zepruder film was edited and chopped together and made an extremely good convincing story, even more so when youve done video and image editing yourself. Things such as the shadows on the green and the huge size of the by standers in comparison to the car and each other. Looking forwsard to black sunshine, love the fan pic

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Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

In 'Dark Mission' from Richard C. Hoagland,

They tell the fatal shot came from the front: a shooter was located
behind a concrete wall atop the ''Grassy knoll''.

peaceful salutes.

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

I listen to Alex Jone all the time - he's on now over the internet on the refeed service. I think he looses it a lot because me gets frustrated with the whole game and he knows what's coming to us all if we don't wake up. He's been warning us for years about the way things are being driven - I'd get p*****d with people and I'm be the same has he if I were in that positon. I think that must of us here would also. Respect to Mr Jones.

Jordon Maxwell - have so much respect for this man also - some one who really knows his stuff and to be taken most seriously.

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

If you watch the video of the shooting you can just make out the man in the front of JFK's car turning and shooting him - hidden in plan sight...

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

For me....anyone who tries to use the Bible to prove anything is already discredited.

Don't blast me, I'm not 'dissing' 'the word'. The book contains some lovely ideas and parables. But they're all re-writes and edits. And I absolutely have no trust or faith in those who edited and put it together. ANY book containing as much manipulation as this would also be non-credible for me.

Actually, this whole body of research is a little like religion in the sense that NO ONE (at least, no one published) has the complete story. All of these wonderful people who do the research (my heroes) are just trying their best to tell their truth as they know it (much gratitude) and I feel like it's up to me (us) to wade through the facts to discern the truth. But when someone holds up their Bible and says "...the Bible says...", sorry....give me some facts or witnesses or something else! Right or wrong, it will show in short measure.

So glad to be here!

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

These are all people trying to incite change by spreading information. When trying to reach an audience it is often best to speak at their level. Some people that are not ready for deeper truths can still have their curiosity piqued by a Michael Moore. Making people curious is my main focus when doing 'public outreach'. Motivating people to find out for themselves is what it is all about.

So on some level these people are doing good. Of course when fabrications or misdirections get mixed in the overall value is decreased. Hopefully 'students' will realize they can only get so much from one source. However I have seen it happen many times over the past few years that once the brainwash bubble is burst people WILL develop a ravenous appetite for research.

Here at Avalon though the audience is not 'average'. So it is a bit of fun to give our opinions ranking messengers on percentage of truth presented. Most the comments here seem fairly on the mark so I'll just add a couple points of trivia.

Cory Rowe, one of the makers of Loose Change, admitted (with some embarrassment) that Moore's 9/11 movie initially motivated him start making a movie.

Down at the bottom of the list, I would put Rosie O'Donnell ahead of Michael Moore. O'Donnell has openly promoted William Rodriguez, which Moore would never have the cajones to do.

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

Moore is a dis-info agent. He makes Bush out to be an idiot to distract people from the real reallity of who/what he is. Why won't he interview?? Alex caught up with him and asked about why he didn't mention the gov/Bush/Cheney connections and he replied "that would be un-american" who's america? what version of america would that be against??
I agree none of the mentioned are 100% correct about this - are any of you?? am I?? certainly not. But Alex is screaming because he knows someone has to to reach deep sleepers. We are not all the same. I have always had the mistrust of authority (I've always been "paranoid" (paranoid people are the most alert/aware people on earth) I have been told) so I didn't require the yelling but I appreciate it. Our personal differences require different meathods to reach us.
Cooper IS the man - I believe his actions were void of the intent to profit. Icke was a student of Maxwell so you can't knock one and praise the other in their intent to expose.
Maxwell Is the man - but huMAN - as we all are.
On the issue of Alex criticizing Icke - I think he was doing what he felt he had to so as not to turn off the average American to his message - imagine yourself getting up in public and speaking Ickes message to the average joe!! or that there was a deal with ETs in the 50s!!
That's why I don't criticize what I don't know. I criticize Moore - look at where his checks came from hmmmmm
Do what you have to do to wake who you can even if it means rejection or your own risk - every day has risk what are you risking it for?

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

regarding jfk:

There were atleast 3 shooters that day in dallas and none of them was lee oswald....he was truly a patsy. there were shooters on the 6th floor of the texas schoolbook depository that day. the shooter in the dal-tex building was chuck nicolletti and he was assisted by johnny roselli. the shooter on the grassy knoll was james files. there were many people present that day including other patseys in case the plan came off differently. i could go into more detail but this forum is about other things. if you want to learn more go to www.jfkmurdersolved.com

Namaste'

Re: Michael Moore & Alex Jones & Bill Cooper
 

I'll have to disagree with you. Moore made a good point about our gun culture and how it tends to revolve around power and fear. Call him a disinfo agent if you like but some ideas, no matter how unpopular they may be, deserve to be shared. Also, Moore himself is a lifelong member of the NRA and he was also speaking as a responsible gun owner, not just some shill filmmaker.

As for Alex Jones, I really don't have an opinion. I think he has a point in regards to 9/11 but I'm not sure if I believe half the stuff he has to say.