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So heres what.

Religion is a means of control. All organized religion.

norval you are no more a prophet than anyone else here.

The last translation of the bible came from an emperor with an agenda. He was barbaric and so is the bible. This fact is well documented.

ITS A NOVEL!!! I do not live my life guided by a 2500 year old novel.

Anyone heard of George Carlins thought on religion?

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You dishonor me, and yourself, in thinking that this has anything to do with religion. :sad:

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No, ive no dishonor. I am true of spirit and deed.

You are engrossed in a novel. There are many texts you will never see as they do not fit the many agenda's of the roman catholics.

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Norval,

i notice you often save yourself the trouble of responding to the substance of what a poster has written by picking ONE WORD or phrase out and using it to dismiss their entire post because of it. It's most probably just a program you've got running that your ego can hide behind because it must always be right.

Once a person comes to an absolute position on some matter his ego will insist on it to the exclusion of all assertions or evidence to the contrary. This reminds me of the catholic bible thumpers of the 16th and 17th centuries who insisted on their own unassailable interpretation of scripture. The only difference between their mental box and yours is that your rigidity is based on a different interpretation. Understand, i am saying that truth has nothing to do with my point. I am speaking of a state of consciousness. Could you have been a catholic insisting on a different interpretation of the bible a few centuries ago? Your words are different from the old catholics but to my ear, the music sounds the same.

My own views are informed by the bible and other books and by my own interior spirit. I go through a process of external and internal education in order to come to an acceptance of truth. But i am always open to new information in case my perception is incomplete.

Try responding to the substance of my post with just one word changed. It is bolded and capitalised below.

Also Norval....

Every fundamentalist insists that progressive revelation is invalid. Yet even though that is the process upon which most of the bible was written over many millenia, they 'believe' it all stopped 2000 years ago and will begin again in the future when the witnesses and Jesus returns. Consequently, and very conveniently, they can thump one book in the present and deny the spiritual validity and source of anything else since the 1st century AD. So nothing can add or take away from their interpretation of the old and nothing new can add to it. They're boxed in. I'm simply pointing out the closed mindset of fundamentalists of all stripes and saying that the same thing can happen to anyone who comes to a single interpretation of that multi-layered compilation of books, the bible.

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I have lurked Norvals threads now for a while, and I have made the same observation.

I do not intend this to be an attack of any kind, just a simple statement.

I hope that you, Norval, can take some time to think about how you could better present to people your theories, without invoking the bible all the time.

Unless you are just a bible researcher, or have you also researched other topics, that you perhaps came in to via 'bible studies'?

..


Thought provoking stuff anyways, thanks for time spent here.

And everyone reading this, please do what the title of this thread says, calm down..

Or as I like to put it,

DON´T PANIC! :biggrin2:

:trumpet:

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This thread is about the Bible and just reading it as a document; a government document. Years of researching the sciences, history, mythology, legends, language, sociology, you name it and this research has landed us both knee deep into it; Norval particularly as he was into this research long before I met him but since then this research, with verification and re-verification comes right back to, it is all right there in that document.

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I understand that.

I was asking for something other than "it is all right there in that document", for more reasons than one. For example, it´s very easy for people to discard your general theory of the greater picture if you only cite one source. Even if that one source happens to be a collection of multiple sources.

Why not bring up cross referenced information from other so called 'holy' scriptures? Or contemporary work for that matter?

Or are you just blowing your own pipe with this information and thread?

Sincerly,
Xammy

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no offense intended here, but is there any chance of anyone posting some actual information in this thread, as opposed to arguing semantics? its an interesting topic, and i for one would like to see where it goes. right now it seems to be going nowhere.

(yes, i realise that by posting this i am contributing to the mess, but it needed to be said)

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Great title for this thread. That is what all people on this forum should do.just calm down and read it. The Bible that is. I think, (and that is a danger in of it self) that mostly all people that are looking for truth, as in what is truth? totally miss the Big picture of what the Bible is all about. And this is no way in any offence to those of great intellect on this forum. There is a simple message written, and in such a way, that all people should be able to get out of the Bible that do not. So simple that even the blind,dumb,lame and deaf should be able to get, but there heart is fixed on something else. The Bible,both the old and new testement, are about a people that had and are still having a relationship with the creator of all that is. The simple story that most miss is that, God had a Son that he loved so much that he wanted to have a family just like Him and that if you can find it in your heart to exept his Son you are excepting the One that sent Him, and if you deny his Son, you deny that there is One that is able to send One in his likeness. Yep, that's the story, as well as, you know like when His Son set up the ministry,(that still is in the world today I add) starting from the twelve and then you can read of them sending another 70 out in to the world to meet with those that were like minded in heart and spirit that meet in the home. Those that were willing to turn away from false religion and opression of the like that still is on the earth today. And He said "I will come and receive you unto myself". So, the call has always been "come" and inherit the things I have in store for you since the foundation of the world. He will come! The question is, will you come or are you dumb, lame or can you not hear or see? ET's ?? hahahahaha p.s. please go easy on me as I am only a child

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Sorry, maybe I should not laugh when people talk about ET's because it does say in 1st Co. that there are bodies celestrial and bodies terrestrial.

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whoops, , grins

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The question is not, what will I know tomorrow, but will I forget?

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The manner in which you condescendingly refute people's comments about your work, the way you twist people's comments to suit you, and just the outright disdain in your comments to others on this site make you either an angry old man, a disinformation agent, or a narrow minded angry old disinformation agent. You pick. I would love to give you respect but there is none due with the way you project yourself on this site.

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You took the words right out my head on that one ......:biggrin2:

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OK Norval,
Would you provide a sample piece of information that you have gleaned from your research, along with whatever line of reasoning caused you to think that you were making the correct interpretation, that we might discuss here? I'm not saying you're not potentially right but really, no one knows for sure.
When I try to read the bible, much of the the language is so coded that I really have no basis for how to even begin to interpret a lot of it with anything even approaching certainty that my interpretation is correct. And, forgive me, but your interpretations seem to be unlike any that I have encountered before. I can ,in the new testament, find many instructions for living that make sense (love your fellow human, don't judge, do unto others... etc.) But I know that the Bible has been heavily edited from the beginning according to the designs of those who would control it's message and the lives of those under their control. Just calm down and read it doesn't really give me much more to work with in order to evaluate your take on the whole matter. Why not be more forthcoming about your methodology so that one can have some sort of basis for further investigation?

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We are all striving to remember what we already know...

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Norval-

Thanks for the message yesterday, I have enjoyed your posts as well. Obviously you are quite knowledgable, however may I humbly suggest you may want to take a different approach with some members of this forum.

People on this site are from all walks of life, and all faiths and/or non-faiths. Many are just getting involved into exopolitics and conspiracy research for the first time in their lives.

i guess i am just saying be gentle with the audience, though i know there are many disinfo agents out there as well whom you wish to discredit, rightfully so.........

I myself have never read the bible. I have skimmed bits and pieces of the book throughout my lifetime, however I am not familiar with many of the stories contained within its text. Regardless of this, you were impressed with my posts, and therefore provided me with a wonderful compliment, which frankly was a great boost to my confidence, and is much appreciated.

From what I know of Edgar Cayce and the Holy(Rollers) Book, it is my understanding that humans were orginally androgenous yet were split into male and female by the ET's. The male human crop hated the women, and vise versa. This was the first step in the seperation of the original third density crop of earthen humans. Does this correlate with any of your vast resources or beliefs?

Thanks again for your contributions to Avalon........

L/L 13

*******************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

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Well said Old Dood, :lmao:

We are out painting the boat and enjoying the wild life here, not to put you all on hold, but this boat work has got to get done. The rains are coming. I would hope only for your patience. :original:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/a...&pictureid=760

Thanks.

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huh?

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http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...&postcount=108

That should help some.:original:

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i like the above post norval. glad to see you are starting to let some more info out to us all. thankyou.

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I agree is there nothing better to do or discuss, lets get with the program.

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BIBLE
Basic Information Before Leaving Earth.

I quote from here,
One of the coolest aspects of knowing about the bad ETs here amongst us and on the forum is
how to identify them. I ask you all to calm down and just read what the bible says. No codes, no
secret passages, no mysteries, just read the book. If you cant understand what it says, I mean
after all you are reading it in your language, right? :original:

Norval L. Cunningham

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This thread is precisely why religion or the bible is not the answer. Can't even get a long on a forum where we are coming together to help each other. Where is the love brothers?

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Some time back I was asked about this movie from this guy so blame this post on him.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=395 :original:
Zeitgeist Addendum,

Ok, They threw out the baby with the bath water.

I wonder if they would rethink their understanding with acceptance of ET / UFO bible connection
knowledge?

Many great points in the movie, except their religionization of the bible. I am in full agreement
about religions, bad governance, national attitudes and that we should become one as knowing
our true humanity. With comprehension of a much bigger picture than just our world mankind is
also on the brink of the ET / UFO disclosure. That then puts the spin to how about mankind
learning about ET governance and social acceptance in the galaxies? The bible, it's not about
religion but about an intergalactic oneness that is already established. You may want to read it.

To add to this I have to appreciate the technological references made as we all give thanks for this
wonder of the internet. It is also what blew the lid off the research Gale and I were doing. One
will not be able to accept the bible for what it actuallly contains without modern technological
comprehension. That is the only key we know of for comprehension of what the bible has to say
about mankind and the galaxies inhabitants of sentient inteligent life. Technology has unlocked all
the bibles words to investigation by searches of topical importance and with great speed. Try it,
you'll like it. Love is what the Good ETs up ^ there have done for us, and are about to do more. :original:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

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If there is any truth in what Norval is saying. Shouldnt we all just stop bickering and pay attention. This could be the guidence we are looking for. The answers we are all searching for, could be there before us.
But Noval, with respect, I would say to you we have not the time to go and read the bible, to decipher the codes, to understand the meaning and direction we need to take. So please help us here.
Please heed, the insight you bring, could also be quite disturbing. Remember we have been led to see what they have wanted us to see for so long. With your vast research and knowledge it would be more benificial (instead of getting lead into silly disagrements) to actually share with us your findings.

Love, peace and courage to all.

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It seems this thread is causing quite a stir, many are thinking on the same lines that the bible holds some truth but not everything can be trusted.
The bible has been corrupted it's true teaching mislead by the ones who have worked so hard to keep it's true meaning hidden from the masses.
It is full of idol worship, ritualistic sacrifices, adultery and corruption.

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Norval-

How will the Good ET's know when the right time for a mass appearance, or when mass contact should be?

Will they read the etheric recordbook of the planet to find the exact right moment?

Do you believe there are negative ET's living among us or underground on this planet right now? If so, are they primarily in contact with the US Government, another Gov't, or the Vatican/Jesuit Order perhaps?

Thanks again for all your contributions....

L/L 13

****************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

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Hey there, Norval.

Do you believe the Koran is sending the same message as the Bible?

Regarding the bible, How can such a simple message be covered up for so long do you think?

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Golden Lady,
Thank you, well spoken, good advice too. We thank you. We hope that we are doing this for the
most part. :original:

Jacqui D,
Everything has it's meaning.
Thank you.

Love/Light13,
It is wrote, that the "time of the end would be cut short, , , , " it will happen like a "thief in the
night". I have answered the other questions in my previous posts.
Thanks, and keep reading, and keep looking up. Why? Because King Jesus "returns in the
clouds". :original:

Beauwalton,
When it comes to other writings that are used by religions, and you mention the Koran, I will say
this for Islam. When they built the Dome of the Rock, some time around 650 AD, on the temple
site it effectively stopped all sacrifices there by the Jews. A fulfillment of bible prophesy? Yes, at a
very high probability.

Jesus gave us a warning that the Jews would "be trampled by the nations till the last days." History
shows us that the Jews were given "Israel" as their national lands back in 1948. Israel then
showed that they were no longer to be trampled on in the 1967 six day war. They are a 1st world
power with atomic and other weapons. In 1993 the last of the countries of the world released any
Jews behind their borders to return to Israel if they so wanted to.

We have two dates in history concerning the Jews, 1948 and 1993, that are known by all to be
true. Now when it comes to the exact date that the Dome of the Rock was built, there isn't one.
That is still up for discussion by researchers. There is another bible "prediction" that gives light to
this information.

Daniel was given to know that from the time that the sacrifices were stopped, there would be
1,290 "days", and happy would be those that made it to the 1,335 "day". Also keep in mind the
"day for a year" passage. Now, some simple math shows us this;

1948 AD, minus 1,290 years, equals 658 AD. Our money is on that date as the date for the true
final construction of the Dome of the Rock that stopped the Jews from ever sacrificing there
again. Then 45 years later, the 1,335 "days" ended in 1993 when the Jews were released by all
the remaining countries to return "home". Our research shows that of all the attempts to
understand this prophesy this to be the most probable fulfillment. Do your own research though. :trumpet:


The best place to hide anything is right in front of you. Just "cloak" it with religious mystery and
rituals, until we had acquired the needed technological comprehension to accept the fact that "we
are not alone". :yikes:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

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Hi Norval,
I just want to thank you for posting this info. I'll just say growing up in NYC in an Italian family and rasised Roman Caltholic it wasn't easy for me. at a very young age I just felt that the bible wasn't being presented the right way to the people. since I didn't belive this i kinda of pushed it away and lived my life pretty much believing in they way you see see it. I always felt that God , the Lord what ever you want to call him was an ET. everytime I mentioned this people thought I was nuts :mfr_lol: they still do. but since seeing your post I have started to read the bible the way you suggest as a Government document. it's dufficult at first trying to break down the religous wall while reading but it makes a lot of sense. thanks agian, at least i know i'm not alone.:thumb_yello:

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Daniel was given to know that from the time that the sacrifices were stopped, there would be
1,290 "days", and happy would be those that made it to the 1,335 "day". Also keep in mind the
"day for a year" passage. Now, some simple math shows us this;

1948 AD, minus 1,290 years, equals 658 AD. Our money is on that date as the date for the true
final construction of the Dome of the Rock that stopped the Jews from ever sacrificing there
again. Then 45 years later, the 1,335 "days" ended in 1993 when the Jews were released by all
the remaining countries to return "home". Our research shows that of all the attempts to
understand this prophesy this to be the most probable fulfillment. Do your own research though


Great stuff Norval, another piece in the Revelation to John puzzle!

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A short story that may help. Although I was raised in a very structured religious environment, family circumstances were such that I didn't actually start to read the bible with any understanding until I was 15 years old. By that time I had been thoroughly enthralled with science fiction. Almost immediately upon reading the bible in study groups, it hit me! The bible, to me, was a very good science fiction novel. I had very big issues with religion (all) because of the blatant hyprocrisy I found everywhere and in everyone I met - including those in our church.

At 19 I threw the baby out with the bath water and refused to have anything further to do with churches, religion, spirituality, whatever title fit. I forbid any religious material in my home or around my children, other than the exposure to their grandmother. One day my five year old daughter asked me this question after visiting with my mother. "If God created man, who created God?" My response was "That's a very good question. I don't have the answer, but this is what I believe. We are here on earth as a science project, a laboratory experiment. We are being monitored and tested, just like a lab rat - tested to see what abilities are inherent in all creatures. I don't know who started it all but I believe there is a higher power, I don't know his name, I don't know where he came from, I don't know why he's doing this, but until I do, I'm not going to drop to my knees and 'worship' him. Let's just wait and see what happens."

I have based my entire life on one scripture from the Bible that I felt was the most important to me and would, in the end, allow my heart to be read for the person that I am. Jesus once said that whenever you give to the least of my brothers, you are giving to me. Therefore, everyone - and I do mean everyone - has been treated as a decent person - UNTIL they prove otherwise.

Decades passed and a few tribulations later and a few more tests and I met my husband, who opened up the floodgates. NOW I knew the "Why". I had always believed in aliens since I was a child. I just never put it together with the bible. WHAT AN EYE OPENER!!!!!!!! I'm still catching my breath, but what I can tell you is that a new peace has settled within me since that time. I now know I have a job to do and when the time comes, I will gladly oblige.

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Nice story Bobby and I never realised, you are Norval's lady, what a lucky guy!

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Yes, she is quite the gal, well, she puts up with me anyway. :mfr_lol:

Her allergy to BS helps alot in our research. :thumb_yello:

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This information and knowledge does restore ones sanity in an insane world.
Whereas, lies breed confusion, confusion breeds insanity.

I have to say; Bobbi has a good heart and is a good person, I am very thankful for her help with this research.
The kids and I, with my daughter’s boyfriend Evan that has Cerebral Palsy, the result of multiple births, went camping for a weekend in July of 2007 with Bobbi and Norval at Friday Harbor. Last Christmas, the kids and I visited Bobbi and Norval on the boat and was fortunate to be there for their marriage.

:welcomeani:

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Yes, I FULLY understand your first statement Norval. ;)
(and the second one too...hehe)

What little I know of your lovely Bride is this: She 'salts' her words.
She speaks when she has something to say. I admire people that can do that.
This tells me Bobbi is thinking before leaping.
To find a spouse that 'works with you' is rare indeed.
Love is Work. No getting around that. It took me most of my 25+ years married to Mrs Dood to finally understand/grok that. :)

Now that doesn't mean Mrs Dood does not call ME out on my BS. haha!
However, we have learned to love one another even with our differences.
Learning to love is a major key in a relationship.
(communication is #1 in my book)
When I got married so many years ago I realize now that I was pretty clueless on what love really is....

I am still learning...

I apologize for going a tad off-topic Norval.
I know you do not care for that.
I felt it was necessary to share my thoughts openly with you and other members here...please forgive me.

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I don't think it off-topic at all.

Love is something you do. Not something you feel or talk about. It manifests through actions and goes to the heart of the subject matter.

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Bobbi and I wanted to make sure many others saw this picture taken yesterday morning.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/p...pictureid=3265

I called it "The Mists of Avalon"
The Swan, the Heron at middle right, the Seals at middle left.

Love is expressed in many ways. One of those ways is self sacrifice and seeking the advantage of
another, in other words, help someone accomplish what they want to do.

Even our enemies are to be shown "love", but not to give them bullets for their guns, just
sustenance. We have even won the respect of some of those that we call agents. We have come
to realize that there are reformed former bad ETs also and acknowledged their positions in all of
this at this time.

Then there are the highbred, GMOs, ones with adopted DNA from mankind. Even they are loved
with a provision for continued life. We know that the bible expressly states when the ETs left their
positions and came to earth and "mated" with women, also from the abduction experiences, men
too. They are not to be killed, as in times past, but are afforded the same amnesty based on their
"heart", integrity, honor, and so on, just as mankind will be judged worthy of life, or not.

Remember, Jesus came from up ^ there, became one of mankind and went back up ^ there to be
crowned as King of the Universe. His "sacrifice" also covers all sentient intelligent life forms that
will avail themselves of this provision of amnesty and forgiveness. Yes, love is being shown
beyond our highest expectations. :trumpet:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

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Inspirational stuff Norval, thanks.