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The way I see it, pursuit of spirituality and creativity, my inspirational sources of harmony, are much more prominent focuses when I'm not scrambling to 'survive'. Sure, survival is the root, on many levels, for some awesome poetry, but we have a lot of that from the past to read. It seems to me this is exactly what the 'common' people, like me, are waking up to in the US regarding the problem/reaction/solution oriented fix the Fed and Treasury have begun to implement, which is: ~ namaste ~ |
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Is not the buying of gold the "reaction" in the problem/reaction/solution paradigm that we have all been force fed a "reaction" that keeps us part of the malevolent equation? Can we not place that next brick to focus our path in whatever direction we choose? Especially now?
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Can the purchase of precious metals now somehow alleviate the financial collapse of the future? For those with short term visions, are China and Russia in talks over returning their currencies to a gold standard? Will that happen?
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My thought on gold is similar to what history-circus posts above; it is just another "currency" which the majority has agreed has value. However, you can't eat it or use it to shelter so, to me, has no REAL worth. However, I would concede that going back to a gold standard may be a transition step in our search for a better way of doing things. I really hope that we can transition ourselves out of this mess rather than experience a total collapse. Time will tell but with guys like you on the team, my spirits are high. I wonder if we could take this discussion further - on some kind of virtual conference or some-such medium? I sense the beginning of a prototype community amongst the posters on this thread... |
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everyone might already know this, but for those that don't, Socialism (which Obama promotes) is the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism. i'm no fan of Capitalism because it's just the first step towards Communism, but i'm also not a fan of government or economics in general. if we are indeed going to have a "spiritual revolution/revelation", then economics will cease to exist - there is NO need for an economy, or government for that matter, unless you support materialism. :thumbdown:
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Hi Gentlemen,
It is a tremendous privilege to share your company on this Forum. I am glad to see that the discussion has meanwhile gained some even more quality. I would like to begin with the observation of Zynox, for it is seems to me to be the core of the issue. Survivor. Why should the Life of a Human Being be reduced to a matter of pure elementary, physical survival? Is Earth not generous enough? Is there not enough food, water and the rest for all Humans? Are sciences and technologies not providing us - through the hard and noble work and dedication of magnanimous scientists, who, most of the time, do not care about money and live a modest life - with means to eradicate most of diseases and improve the Existence of each and every Human Being? But what is the current and real state of our affairs? Allow me to quote a post i placed on another Forum, dealing with slightly the same issue: "Some people, may be even 2/3 of the Earth population - our own fellow Humans - have every single morning to fight, to look for food and drinking water; those things we, in other parts of the world, take for granted. I think that this situation is a painful and blunt illustration of the degree of disbalance in which we brought our societies, for the state of World Affairs is such that, in one part of the world, food and other commodities are being wasted, harvest being burned(to keep the prices high/make profit), huge resources are being invested in the military and the conquest of the space, while in another part, a piece of bread and a glass of water are a matter of daily survival and people can hardly keep their Human Dignity; Humans die here of diseases and other 'simple' bacteries, while the remedy is there long ago found - but not made available(also regarding the price) to the needies. It is a shame; our ways of doing things are below Human Dignity and contain no trace of the Spirituality, which is supposed to be our genuine essence. We need another, a completely new world order and the teaching of Herr Meier indicates the path to be consciously built and followed." I would truly appreciate your thoughts on this. My stance is that it could be a good begin if the elementary means of survival(education, shelter, medicine, food, water...) are made accessible to ALL Human Beings - i would leave the question of the ways and means to reward those producing these commodities for their work to the discretion of the Forum. Another point. Overpopulation is a fact. But it would be, i think, appropriate to distinguish between two sets of problems: - overpopulation, as a real and urgent problem to be urgently and wisely solved - certainly not the way the so-called 'Illuminaties' see it! - and the change of The Human Society and the possible models for the future, which question we are here specially focusing on. (No need to remember you of the 'solution' of the power-to-be or that of those from the shadom!) In other words, what would be a rational, wise path forward? Should be carry our past along? Some of the structures being currently issued? Some of those achievements - or as Historycircus put it:"Can we not take what has worked (in terms of economic behavior), what has been valuable to our existence here, with us when we cross the threshhold of whatever is coming? Must we throw the baby out with the bathwater, or is that a terrible way to conceptualize our potential situations?"? Is it reason concevable to begin from zero? How would we make it through the first - as a rule, always most challenging moment - steps without that 'backup'? It seems to me that poverty and misery would arise from the second question only if we choose to stick to the status quo, to the current economic model(s) and the modes of production, distribution and use of created and/of natural resources, which precisely brought us into the ongoing tragic global situation. The world we now live in is, after all, the world we ourselves created. We can always change, adjust or reject the reality we set up. There is nothing that forbides us to wisely and with open arms welcome New, never tried Ideas, make some room for them in our Weltanschanschauung, use our creativity and the generosity of Mother-Earth to elevate ourselves, while sharing the opportunities we have with others and hence allowing them and ourselves to realize oneselves and the potentials we all carry within for the good of the New Society and Humanity as a whole. It is hence a matter of choice, openness, solidarity, wisdom and management. Bying gold and the like at this stage could be a good, pragmatic move, were the current structure to completly collapse the way Mr Green sees it: it would just be a matter of survival(once again!); a duty we all have towards ourselves and the Higher US we all carry. We should first survive in order to begin anew. Regards, RaKaR www.futureofmankind.co.uk |
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The producer/consumer dichotomy is in fact one of the main reasons I started this thread. "Reward," as you put it does not seem relevent to the future that many here on Avalon expect. But it is a fair topic to consider, as I have stated elswhere, for the "radiant zones" may not end up being uniform (see the comments of Marcia Schaffer). Some pockets may not end up being "radiant zones" at all. Just for the record, I do not believe in extending the "isms" for the "isms" sakes, but within in them might be efficient methods of production and distribution if entered upon with the proper mindset - time should not be wasted reinventing the wheel.
For those who don't anticipate the need to eat or drink in the near future, and who really won't miss fine wines, comfortable chairs, or the beautiful moan of the bass clarinet, the decline of materialism will be a good thing. But for those who like such things, who do not believe in having stuff for the sake of having stuff but believe in having stuff that is fun and socially lubricating, a future where we sit quietly and contemplatively in enlightenment, after a fun day of hoing weeds and cart repair, does not seem like much fun. We are material creatures. Is that bad? Can the "radiant zones" have agriculture and enlightenment, and a good bourbon still operated to the tune of a well played banjo? Overpopulation is a topic that should be discussed, but I would ask, are we really on the brink of a Malthusian collapse? Or is that propaganda? Is it really our behavior, not our numbers, that has led to the dire environmental circumstances we find ourselves in today? |
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RaKar,
In the last 24 hours I have been deeply impacted by remembering the conscious language, through a post by Michael St.Clair. This information, words, energy, has keys for self transformation. My entire perspective, and assemblage point has shifted most wondrously. I have moved from a mode of discretionary survival preparations into a being of enthusiasm and new energy. I have remembered how to be telepathic, and the world feels much warmer and connected, to me. I still feel there is a purpose for metals in transition, and potentially much different purposes for them after this current transition. In other posts, I had noted that I didn't seek or intend to live off the labor of 1, 2, 4, 8 or any multiple of survival slaves (no disrespect intended using this phrase, this is the condition of much of the global population), in '3rd world' locales, or those in the US. Now, I more fully grok what I meant by my own words where I stated I was seeking a micro footprint ... my focus has shifted and now there is no doubt remaining, for me, it is all about communion in love, connections across the ether and my survival energy has been transformed to 'what shall i create today' energy. I don't feel that overpopulation is fact, i feel it is a meme ... i feel many folks would prefer a lesser population to have more share of pie. I have traveled a few great expanses on the globe that could support current populations, and feel our distribution is simply a matter of agrigarian tenancies followed by industrial tenancies (reference Jarrad Diamond's "Gun's, Germs and Steel") ... if we find a balance and focused use of space on the globe, we will do fine. To get there, requires extensive equalization and horizontal / rhizome structures ... inhabited with wisdom and love, gaia is here for symbiotic nurturing, of us, and we may be, also, for 'her'. Sovereign Choice ... and using our power to convert sea water, tap etheric energies, etc. Maybe here, or maybe we phase shift, I DUNNO, especially as I feel phase shifted already, now, today. For HistoryCircus and others, I suggest that we have powers beyond metrics and when tapped, even that glass of wine may feel a touch stale or sour ... there are some interesting 'alternative' bliss paths, my friends ... and maybe we intend great wine, for kicks, and it manifests ... many capacities to be imagined, and created. for those curious: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3451 ~ namaste ~ |
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Publius,
That is what this thread is about - figuring out what to replace it with. How will enlightened economics operate? How do eliminate inequality in a system that both requires and seeks to reproduce it? Is economic inequality really bad? Is a more tribalistic, exchange/gift based system a possibility? The one thing I find interesting from a historic perspective, is that no form of economic production, exchange, commerce, or consumption has ever survived without warfare. That brings me to another thought - possibly unrelated to economics, but I tend to think all violence has its roots in economics at some level. Many of the Camelot witnesses argue that there are many races of extraterrestrials, and we have been been visited/exploited, and they tell of conflict in our galaxy. Even the enlightened, technologically advanced races know war. Why? Over resources? Over the soul-beings that we have become? Has our world become our galaxy's Iraq? Souls or oil - its all the same. If intergalactic, time traveling enlightened ones have not yet shed war, why is it concievable that we will do the same because of a change in vibration, etc.? Your thoughts? |
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Hello there,
Zynox, overpolulation is in my view a relative concept: The number of Human Beings currently of Earth could be seen as a state of overpopulation in the specific context of the current mode of production - of should i rather say, 'exploitation' of this Planet and its resources - that is, this wild, agressive Capitalism driven by greed alone. Were the goods, other life sustaining commodities, the product we ourselves produce or gain directly from Earth, our aims in this existence spiritually more elevated(instead of the sole accumulation of money and material items), there would be no question of overpopulation; for Mother-Earth is able and willing to take care of her Children - and does still do so. But in the current structure, our number puts lots of stress of Earth and its resources, for everyone wants still more and more and, as we all know, there are no limits to the 'accumulation fever' and greed has by definition no boundaries. Besides, Humans are not the only inhabitants of this Planet. There are other Life Forms having the same rights to be and to develop, Life Forms, which are dear to Earth as well as we do: Flora, Fauna. We are building factories and other human production facilities on lands, that should normally be reserved to agriculture; destroying forests, polluting water and air... Flora and Fauna are being persecuted by us; i read recently in a scientific paper(i do not recall the name) that honey bees are disappearing in horrifying huge numbers and sorts(and we all know the great role they play for the balance of our eco-system); the ice is dramatically melting(due in part to human irresponsible activities, like atomic and nuclear weapons tests onderground and in the atmosphere!!!)... A couple of months ago, two ice-bears swam the whole way to the west coast(fjords) of Iceland, hungry and in despair, for there is no more ice they could live on. They got shot down. So, friends, we bear a lot of guilt here. Let's try to make amend for some of it. Regards, RaKaR www.futureofmankind.co.uk |
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There is nothing wrong with curbing corporate behavior. Criminal law, for example, prevents employers from executing employees who do not perform to their expectations. The question is not whether businesses are to be regulated, but rather where the line is to be drawn. I am all for business and for capitalism, but I do not approve of the corporate free-for-all that has been raging with ever greater intensity since the Reagan administration started cutting the reins on the big boys. Efficiency in the use of resources is not a legitimate basis for screwing the pants off the very people an industry is supposed to serve. But it isn't that way anymore - now it is the customer who is to serve the business. Very dangerous stuff. On the other hand lies the social-liberal - a cutesy euphemism for the socialist - who generally advocates that government be in everybody's business. Few appear to be interested in the middle path where corporations make their happy profit and the individual retains his full liberty. This can be achieved, but the parasitic politicos whose real agenda is power need to be removed from the equation. I'm all for ignoring them, but have no compunction to kill them if need be. It seems to me, and I may be way wrong on this, that the world of humanity is rapidly approaching a nexus where we will have to decide what we really want: freedom and the acceptance of its requirements, or slavery and the corresponding price the illusion of a free ride exacts. And what will really be interesting is the conflict between those wanting the latter and those in favor of the former. Can they coexist? I doubt it. |
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http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/reflexio.../f240908i.html Around 35,000 Cuban health specialists provide free or paid-for services in the world. Furthermore, some young doctors from countries such as Haiti and others among the poorest of the Third World are working in their homelands thanks to the assistance provided by Cuba. In Latin America, our main contribution has been the ophthalmologic surgeries that will help to preserve the eyesight of millions of people. Besides, we are assisting in the training of tens of thousands of young medical students from other nations, both in and outside Cuba. I would also point out that, as even mentioned in mainstream media, it is rare for anyone to die in Cuba due to hurricanes, even though the island is often hit by serious storms, because the government cares enough to provide an efficient system of evacuation. Before I left for Cuba, I spoke to someone who had made several visits to Cuba and I asked him why he had gone back so often. His response was quite enigmatic at the time. He said he needed to be reminded what it felt like to be a human being. After a few days there, I knew what he meant. |
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I do appreciate the gardening and seed comments made on this thread. The Cuban situation should be considered by those who read this thread. However, one cannot deny that while positive aspects in the Cuban system do exist, it is propped up by a dictatorship that is notorious for executing those who simply ask questions. Nevertheless, the Cuban example is worth studying, and was not aware of it before you posters began your discussion. For that I thank you - my journey now includes learning more on that topic.
With that said, perhaps we can envision a future where subsistance concerns are not collectivized. I can see communities where organic, household production is the norm. Perhaps, yet I am not totally convinced, that is indeed the best way. Although I would ask this: what happens when rapid influx to these future communites outstrips the household-centric nature of such a system - especially in a cold season for those existing in temperate zones? "Radiant zones," or safe zones will be what John Winthrop called "Cities on a hill;" initial production levels should take into consideration that many who have not labored will soon arrive - whether they ever do or not. This inspires another question: at what point do economic concerns - planning, production, consumption, exchange - bleed over into the realm of political? Is not the major concern of political systems the regulation of economic activities? Should we be considering our political futures alongside our debate about the future of the micro-economies? By the way, this thread has been a lot of fun because of the quality of the posts - thank you all for keeping it positive, fun, and informative. |
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I have read several good and balanced biographies of Castro - years ago I was fascinated by his politics. But he had a dark side, as a child and as a revolutionary leader. Cuba hasn't executed many people over the last couple of decades, but the two decades after the revolution were pretty rough for dissidents. Che G. might take issue with his benevolence as well.
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I'll share with you a quick story. I paid a visit to the Museum of the Revolution in Havanna, which has, among other things a life size mannequin of Che with a bad hair piece, which would have seem painfully pathetic had not our guide spoken so proudly of it, thereby reminding me that revolutions are about more than catchy displays. On a serious note, one of the exhibits included photos and instruments from what had been Batista's torture facility which is now a school of liberation. I nearly fainted from looking at these horrific instruments of torture, but this begs the question one has to ask in evaluating the morality and success of any endeavor, including revolutions and one which cannot be answered perhaps without the 20/20 hindsight that time provides. Did the revolution save more lives than it took and did it improve the lives of more than it harmed. Another great film is I Am Cuba which depicts life before the revolution, a life comparable to that of present day Haiti. I also really enjoyed reading the big red book called Che. If nothing else, the story of the Cuban revolution is a fascinating read. |
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Isnt' what we really want is "Free Markets".
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Gwyned,
Thanks for the post - I will look for both films as soon as I find time. The end of the Cuban Revolution is yet to be written. I think U.S. propaganda has done its work. While the mainstream either supports, or remains silently indifferent, to Castro today, his death will become a major symbol. My only fear is that instead of the Cuban people finding their own way in post-Castro world, they will get a swift-moving, U.S. style of invasive Capitalism that leaves them another Guam, or Puerto Rico. Waterman, "Markets," by their definition, are INHERENTLY free. "Free" markets, as Zynox pointed to, is what we call a "meme." Markets are free. The phrase "free markets" is a phrase introduced by politicians to get us to associate "markets" with the notion of "freedom." "Freedom" + "Market" gets us to "free market." What most people think when they adopt the phrase, is that one necessitates the other - not true. Places where true, uninhibited markets flourish, there is a great deal of exploitation, unrest and genocide. Darfur, for instance, is a place where the market operates with relatively no restrictions, but is one of the most brutal places on Earth. The United States of America is a highly manipulated and regulated market, but is freer - at least for the moment - than most places on the planet (barring unpopulated wilderness). The real problem with Capitalism that exists today, in the U.S. and globally, is that the corporations and financeers who make it run have no problem using the words "market" and "community" interchangeably. They are not the same thing, much like the meme above. What we should be shooting for in the coming future is communities, not markets - that is why I started this thread. Should we keep the market system? Profits are natural to this system - what should be done with results that rise above production costs? Should we abandon the market system? Thanks for the post Waterman - you have brought the focus back, and I'm interested in your responses. |
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I have gone back through this thread to re-read some of the posts, to glean something new from the old. Your statement, Matrix, stood out. I keep emphasizing "Pre-Capitalist/exchange" economics, because it is a system that Capitalism ran roughshod over from the late eighteenth century onward. Exchange economics is what tribal societies of the past practiced, and what tribal societies today practice (the few that are left, and none are immune to the effects of "articulation," the process by which market forces erode exchange economies). For Native Americans in North America, it was the fur trade that led to articulation, a process that was quickly followed by gun-point diplomacy by the Canadian and United States governments.
My point is that exchange economies were consciously crushed by the historic PTB BECAUSE it ran counter to exploitative market Capitalism. Could we build community models based on this earlier economic model? |
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Hi EpiphaMe,
I welcome your post, but am afraid I may have missed the point. Your initial tone was a bit off-putting. The folks here obviously have done their homework, have something to contribute, and want to share. I get the sense from your starting comments that that bothers you in some fashion. Why? The system is crashing - we're seeing new nails be driven into the coffin now on a daily basis. Capitalism seems to be failing us - thus the point of the thread. Can it be reformed, are there other ways, etc.? We know it has turned to **** - I want this thread to contemplate alternatives for our future. I don't know what to tell you about your neighbors. I live next to a guy who is a complete jerk. Guy looks like a Frankenstein whos been slapped with ugly (thanks Violent J), and thinks his worth can be measured by the numbers on his paycheck stub. I won't be having any conversations with him in the near future on how to prepare for the SHTF, but when it does, chances are we will be collaborating for survival. Ain't that really the point? |
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I thank all here for their responses.
Now, let me ask this. Given the birth and raising of Capitalism, what we have witnessed over the last few days, is this a system we should support? Should we reject all that a market system creates? |
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~ within recent posts herein this thread, some have expressed their essence, and confusion ~ and, others have asked ,essentially, what's the point of the contribution ~ economies are comprised of the conglomerate, those that feel or possess some finesse, research, investment and resonance, and those that participate, at all other levels ~ in sum total, we shall have peace and harmony, or we shall rinse and repeat the current paradigm ~ suggestion: embrace one another my sisters and brothers ~ we are WE ~ may we all relate on respectful sovereign ground, as each, contribute ~
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1) Same old song and dance - bend over ~ we know where it leads 2) Pitchforks and Guillotines ~ we know where it leads 3) NON-PARTICIPATION ~ extract and create ~ each their own way What would happen if each calmly elected to withdraw participation, sure pay taxes for now, but have no investment in the paper system, step one, refuse to vote at all, as it is only for a thug that will coerce thy neighbor more than the other thug your neighbor wants to coerce you with ... Imaginative (creative) minds may expand from here, it is possible, read Lysander Spooner if con-fused ... ~ love and namaste, my sisters and brothers ~ |
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I tend to think war cannot be seperated from economics. The prevailing theme of the exopolotical literature is that this planet is a resource, and competitive interests are involved. Even the "enlightened ones," according to the various theories, are in direct competition over the very things we are. Does that make war, much like economic activity (not to be confused with known economic systems), a universal condition of life? What are the implications of this for the radiant/safe zones of the future? |
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Your specific question has been my contemplation for several intense hours ... I am now resolved, until new data is received and processed, that we are in kindergarten and soon to be shoved into the first grade. I feel terra is a training ground for the astral, and, this is somewhat not what I would create or 'wish' for, it feels like we have less than complete sovereign choice in participation. YET, it leads me to feel that much MORE empowered regarding sovereign response. Perhaps, the schoolyard is initiation, and if we excel here, we get to be the ultimate 'free-lance', or free-soul, in astral and re-incarnations here, running our own SOVEREIGN scripts, as powerful beings that simply exude a "don't fu*k with me aura - i'm on my own sovereign mission" feel ... hope this makes some sense as i work through these new understandings ... I am so done with gurus, group-mind, mind-fu*ks and that whole spectrum of rubbish, I want to LOVINGLY create an inner radiant zone, and exude such incredible energy that no other dares tread on me, as a starting point to magnetically attract resonant and harmonious relationships with balanced sovereign souls ... I am well aware, at the moment, that I am yet another inmate, in the asylum ~ blissfully, insane ~ i suspect: banks go on holiday next week draconian measures are propagated underground mutant resistance and creations emerge interesting times develop souls are tested souls radiate souls extinguish (not sure what this 'means') ~ namaste, my brother ~ |
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Watch this vid its pretty stirring, the opening bit and ending bit is from a movie. Does anyone know what movie it is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CJMw914Zvk wow i wanna hug that lady! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAADyc6t4nY she must make those bastards cringe LOL :mfr_lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbD62gNi9WE |
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Seva,
Thanks for the clips, and feel free to give your thoughts on the many questions posed on this thread. After this last week, Ph.D.s in economics from Harvard don't mean chit to me. Your thoughts on the economic future of the safe/radiant zones are welcome. Zynox, I couldn't be happier to hear that you've given up on the gurus - in an age where following has led us to the brink of disaster, you strike me as the type of guy who has something to teach. Discovering that we are our own gurus is freedom. And on another note, although a little off topic given the thread, let me be the first to say that I don't want to go to first grade. Did I wake up from my soul sleep and imposed imprisonment just put on another garb of captivity? For the "good" or "bad," our mistakes as a species are ours to make. If we destroy ourselves, so be it. If we destroy ourselves as part of someone elses game, that is true tragedy. I am not a resource - I am a man. I am not a market - I am a man. I did not shed one patriarchy just to join another. I too feel that hard times are ahead, and I hope that all who have posted here end up safe. May you all be safe in the coming age. |
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You my friend, have been instrumental in my current evolution, we rubbed each other at first, and now feel to be accelerating each other, in harmony, and I appreciate the growth you have nurtured for me ~ Your second comment is how I have felt on levels, but I have come full circle, yet again, and found another puzzle key that feels like enormous script truth, to me: The War in Heaven (are we loosh, and if so, how do we avoid feeding the factions): Source Files and Blog Posts regarding The War in Heaven ~ namaste, my sisters and brothers ~ |
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Interesting site Zynox, and I am nowhere near digesting it all yet. It sounds very familiar in a lot respects.
I think about how I would conduct myself if given, say, a ship and crew - to travel the stars, seek out new life, and pick Roddenberries, etc. If I found a planet full of monkeys being manipulated into killing each other by some other alien like myself, and wanted to do something about it, I'd take the fight to the source - not manipulate them even further. I would not pick people who have isolated themselves and are considered crazy by the majority to deliver my offer of joining the team - you know what I mean? I'd put the shields up, and park on the lawn of the capital building, turn on the external speakers, and start laying it out. The subterfuge that many posit is pointless, and in honor of Nimoy, illogical. Many in the flesh, for centuries, have proven their worth; have proven that for all the collective flaws, there is collective potential. If I can figure that out, then I am sure a more enlightened trans-dimensional time-travelling being can too. Zynox, you make me think, and for that I love you. |
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We find it difficult to conceive of another system yet unlived, unexperienced. The Zeitgeist Addendum addresses most all your questions above. The transition will be turbulent or in baby steps, the ones outlined in the 2nd half which we could all be doing now.
The fractional monetary system works on the premise of debt and the mindset of limited resources. Creativity is unmanifest, the avenue of expression restricted when one is searching for its next pc of bread. There is abundance of (free) energy, Abundance, not a lack (of which most of the dollar pays for, this lack).... there are millions needing primary assistance, the basics. Transition is certain, the pains of which are being expressed. I feel your hearts. We do next the right thing before us. It cannot be a rinse and repeat, thanks Zynox. |
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If the free world as we know it collapses.. Big reach here, with the collapse of Capitalism, you would have a moment of anarchy.... Then either a new and improved form of a system, or a stigmatic arrogance of change that would be declared as better and more forthright for the people it controls. Taking that into consideration chances are this mechanism is functional at this moment. Also take heed in the degree and precision of this financial change. The speed of this meltdown is astonishing. Its not accidental it is a well disposed plan. The question remains who or what has the power over the leaders of men to this degree? Only the people. When everything settles we will realize it is not what we have changed around us, it is what we have changed in our perception. The free market is a milestone to everything we hold up on pedestals the internet, cell phones, grocery stores food, school flat tv's, and for this to collapse and fail, Changes the way history is written. It seem their is a lack of substance, never before has it been so cold, every one feels alone, and scared. Well not all of us. Helpless without jobs, loss of homes, despair. Their is no need to predict or pray for UFO's to come save us, we must save ourselves and adapt to this brave new World, yet i respect and am entertained by the notion of a Alien species coming to save and fix our capital, that we revolve around and strive to aquire. In essense the system lack jobs and the credit problem already seems pretty darn damaged as it is. In other words our economy is in the ICU.
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Re: Capitalism, Sustainability, and the Possibility of Global Collapse
From todays (Oct 6, 2008) London Telegraph
Quote – We face extreme danger…we risk a disintegration of global finance within days. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...the-abyss.html Well, well……. |
Re: Capitalism, Sustainability, and the Possibility of Global Collapse
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Our bodies Our minds Our souls So, seems to me, that we don't have the playbook or the user manual, perhaps there are some physical/metaphysical rules that prevent, and then faced with a choice to abandon or use methods open, the choice of astral energies is to pick evils of lessers, we do it down here all the time. What has always confounded me is the entire ET/Ultrdimensional paradigm, is: Why would 'constructive' forces work only with world governments, in secret, or stay in hands-off observation mode when the entire situation here is a mess? I sense and feel, but do not know, that there are forces beyond us, and would assume there is some balance. I haven't yet grokked both sides only working with the governments and a few special / enlightened / mental / mutant individuals. There are now billions of humans here, and if extensive contact was happening it seems it couldn't be contained. Then again, most folks don't seem interested in chem-trails ... I feel all of this is on-topic, because if there is an 'external' card in play, then we need to have it integrated in discussions of solutions. Love reflected brother, because you are, my brother! |
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When we were children, did we need established structures of control to run a lemonaid stand, to play pickup baseball, to ride bikes and explore the world? If not, then do we need them to build roads, put out fires, establish radiant communities or develop artistic and technological wonders? Where would the imagination and creativity of the human spirit and ingenuity lead if allowed to blossom? Have we been massively conditioned to reject and/or fear anarchy as a reasonable alternative to 'isms'? Seems capitalism, communism, totalitarianism, socialism and such are equally as tyrannical as republican, whig and democratic parties are shades of the same. Echelon and watch list bots, I say "Let's open up the game to Anarchism. Does the 'ism' addition make it palatable and legitimate? I will not riot, I will not harm, I will not steal, I will behave according to internal ethics, so how about removing the pesky external morality, it crimps my sovereignty." ~ If I'm disappeared, please write and send snackies ~ ~ namaste and love my sisters and brothers ~ |
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