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ophiuchus - I missed your post while I was writing my last one but I had the same thought earlier. An opt out day - a day when noone spends any money, watches TV, a day or period of disengagement from the system.
Myplanet2 - totally agree with this too. about independence. I think we need to distinuish, however, between setting things up so we can take care of our own and be effective in our immediate communities, and a wider protest - otherwise we'll all be quite happy surviving post financial crash, post nuclear war in some favela somewhere, but won't have done anything to stop it in the first place. |
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the evil is at a high,then the creator must be on high also,ready to respond to us,we can send out postive vibes,we can stop it a higher level,which in turn would effect this dumbed down level,thats my two bits....peace to all in this horrible time. |
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Hi,
I posted this before in another thread: according to a local TM expert mass meditation only helps if it's done in a real group. Everyone meditating at home won't work (according to him). So I guess people has to get organized and meet publicly and then meditate. But getting a lot of people really together will already be a good step I think. Cheers |
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To understand how to move forward one must know what is coming.
What is coming first, then second, so on. What is coming first is an economic crisis. |
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hi guys,
I have so much respect for David Icke, he has integrity and humanity in spades and fair play to him. I believe, and INTEND, that he will be honoured in our coming positive future. To get there, correct we need to define what we are for. Being against things is easy, to put down what we would replace the problem with is the difficult thing, especially when the problem we have is that our entire society and way of life, all our institutions and representatives are set up to be against us and basically, its horrible to say but it seems to be true, destroy or enslave us. history shows that violent revolution is not the answer, it just is NOT the way to go no matter what. its what they want and what they are prepared for. we need a new approach and a suggestion of how to do it is to get everyone aware of this. if there are big events in the next short while we have to go to as many people as we can and stop with the 'I know this sounds crazy but...' line and take a leaf out of Alex Jones's book and say 'look, I'm warning you now, look around you and say things are normal and all is ok? Its obviously not and here's why'. We have to try get people onto this forum and site. I think a massive problem we have is that there is just too much info available on so many topics that when trying to get people to see one gets bogged down and they don't take it on board. If we try to focus on the finance aspect that is happening right now, the war with russia and georgia and the coming iran thing then we can say 'look, this is real'. We need people to KNOW, not to fight. |
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listen,it's great that the ideas are flowing,but to tackle this with meditation,riding your bike,handing out info, or prepping for climatic catastrophe,by themselves is not enough. all these things are important,but you still need a tangible,visible,publicly orchestrated group event to tie it together. the other things work in concert with and support the impact event. the one that turns the machine. your not playing in their arena because your saying your refusing to play at all and now what? they want money,power,control,prisoners and your demonstrating a physical statement of "no". but then you have to have a statement for the world to show them the plan for a better way. hopefully intelligence of the masses will then prevail.
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I don't think it's that essential to organize groups or events. THEY are prepared for that anyway and have means of dealing with it. I focus more on the simple individual things than anyone can do.
So what can you do? You can start by stopping. Stop doing what they want or expect you to do. Stop playing their game. Stop living the life they prepared for you. Live your own, based on your own moral principles and personal responsibility, not on their rules. You don't need groups, groups are predictable and manageable. Become an unknown element in the game, one they can't predict. As more and more people do just this, "groups" will form naturally whenever needed. It's not so much about taking any action, as about simply stopping being ruled by Them. An example from experience. I work in a company that is about as fascist as the american government right now. Here employees are not people. We are numbered "human resources." The employers treat us as replaceable pieces of meat, source of labor. Sure they feed us ******** about how our opinion matters but somehow every time you voice your opinion, suddenly nobody's listening. So they're just messing with most people any way they want. Except not with me. For a very simple reason. I don't let them. Why do others DO let them? Fear. They are afraid of losing their job so they'll just limit their reactions to annoyed remarks but they'll do all the **** they don't actually have to do. They'll work overtime without getting paid for it. They will do work that is not in their job description. They will submit to rules that somebody just made up in the company but aren't really legal. They're just too afraid to stand against the system. Fear is a bad motivation though. And usually it's completely unnecessary. I break Their rules and not only have I not lost my job but nobody's even bothering me. So that's where you start. You just stop being a part of The System. Most of bad things that happen to you, happen because you let them happen. So don't. THEY don't own you. They have only as much power over you as you let them have. The next step might be that you interfere when you see injustice being done not to you, but to others. Just encourage and help each other in small everyday situations. From there the bond between people will start to build and when needed, the connection will already be there before you know it. Act with personal responsibility and everything else comas naturally. Don't worry much about organizing stuff, just worry about whether what you're doing every day is right. |
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i also want the world to change but as it has been previously stated we conspiracy nuts are an small force compared to the rest.
I think the only probable revolution to change things will be made of blood an death, the way of the rest. I donīt wanna that, blood and death, but the ones who hold power are able to defend their possition that way. So you all, who supposedly wants peace and love, life, etc, are asking to overtrown the nwo?, no way, unless you are willing to lose your life trying. |
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my new thread "if i told you a story..." might help clarify things.posted sat,9/20,11;13 pm
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Spreading the word SAY NO TO THE NWO also helps, fun too! Those conspiracy nuts may be a small group but as OP's(Original Poster's) title suggest they're often an armed bunch; Always protect the second!! Icke makes a good point but it peaceful protest like a march at DC could help IMO with enough protesters signs & media coverage. Uh-oh! i bet i just got on the "list" of camp-e's.
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http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2799
1. An Individual vaguely perceives something is wrong in his/her life. This takes the form of fatigue at trying to "keep up" with real or imaginary crisis, encroachment of government into every aspect of life, increasing taxation and so on. Sometimes it takes the loss of work and the realization that the safety net they contributed to has a gaping hole in the middle. 2. The individual discovers that justice is a joke and that all control mechanisms go up like a pyramid, taking their property, taxes etc. with it. This wealth then is distributed to "help bail-out" or "prop-up" "failing" transnational corporations. Left-overs are channeled via Overseas Developement Corporations to "developing nations," where the loot is pocketed by front-men and their beaurocrats. Crumbs filter down to social services, which, after being guzzled by directors and staff, leave little for the needy except bundles of forms, in triplicate, of course. 3. The individual looks around for others already exposing "the conspiracy." These established champions inform him which "conspiracy" books to read. Having then done so, the individual begins to "expose" the corruption, first to friends, then when friendless, he either publishes what he has gleaned or becomes paranoid and withdraws from society altogether. Why does the waking-up process fail to spread quickly through society? 1. He is terribly naive. He believes the massive corruption "just happened" to begin in his own lifetime, otherwise mummy or daddy or teacher would have warned him. It does not occur to him that his Parents, teachers etc. were as conditioned as he was. 2. Most people do not wish to know. They, like farm animals, have been domesticated. Wild animals (original) have natural instincts of self- preservation. They sense the evil intentions of predators and they survive by trusting their instincts. Wild herds do not "hang around" when one or more members drops dead. Specially bred sheep do. 3. Pavlovian conditioning/response indoctrination has been fed to every individual, through schooling. The media then takes over. Peoples opinions are simply sound-bites from news, talk-shows or quotes from glossy magazines. 4. Trust replaces the instinct of self-preservation. It over-rides memory and logic. Controllers and shepherds encourage trust. 5. When threatened with loss of possessions, property, access to health care, etc., people turn to government(predators) for help, or/and organized religion. Should an individual persist in pushing for his "rights," he will be removed from society and placed in a psychiatric hospital or prison on any number of pretexes. The alternative is death by "accident," or shot by police while 'resisting arrest.' -- ---------- We know how 'it' is designed in order to break all possible waking individuals. How can we make the frightened individuals into brave disobeying civilians? My biggest fear right now is the (mind-controlled) population which reacts emotionally to everything in opposite of taking action by own choice. I mean I am quite sure my neighbors WILL sell me out if they get the chance to do, because in their minds they NEED AN ENEMY (to project their frustration upon). They allready think I am a pssoible terrorist, because I don't (want to) fit in. How can we break the spell? (I wish it was as simple as to take down an electronic transmission media-tower :original: ) |
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I posted in another thread but the idea will be appropriate here as well: Why will you vote in November ? The outcome is fixed anyway !! If you can setup a massive "nay" army to the elections which refuses OPENLY to vote ... you will be heard ! It will take courage of course ... Cheers |
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Yes i am just waiting for that extra push now as so many are by reading all your messages.
Just keep awakening those around you as much as you can, it's hard as you have already found, we have all been called nuts, insane irractic, but we know whats coming down (they) don't. I get so frustrated when i try t explain things to my family and friends but you must remember they be at a different level of learning and perhaps they are not ready at this stage to go forward. A higher conscieness level is coming i feel this, those around us who can not feel this i think are not ready. They will be one day but we may have to move on without them. I am ready are you?:hypo: |
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Take heart, it's happening. I have two friends at work who have awakened. One by one....:wub2:
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PROTEST IDEA: TV is their biggest weapon against our minds--MIND control, manipulated news, electromagnetic pulses to decrease the health of your immune system your mind goes into sleep wave patterns. what does everyone have in common in all the countries in their homes--- the TV!!! that has been their biggest brainwashing!
text, email everyone you know to THROW YOUR TV ON THE STREET, that on a given date and time, i think it's important we do it at the same time all over the world. what will this show? it will demonstrate our resolve that our minds are sovereign! |
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I haven't had TV service for many years now. Not a bad idea, however, after that, a big bon fire and burn up those cell phones you are texting with. That is their next biggest tool. On second thought, perhaps we don't want to breath the smoke of that in our air. Maybe through them in a big bucket of water. Cleansing water.
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I'm not religious in the traditional way - I'm definately spiritual, but it only took one person to change the world - supposedly - Christ did it and others to have started the ball of change rolling. I heard the David Icke interview of the Alex Jones show - have Jones playing all the time. The trick is to know how to impliment these changed peacefully - demos just attracted trouble makers - that includes the police and we can't protest with our votes cos that's another lie. What do we do?
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if we THROW OUT OUR TV'S ON THE THE STREETS ON MASS, doing it all over the world, other people not "awake" yet will ask, why are they doing this? they will talk to the stranger, their neighbor and start asking questions. this is then the opportunity to start educating people. you may even say, i prefer to communicate w my neighbor or local cafe, get news from other sources, etc.
perhaps everyone can wear a certain color while doing it. or yet, wear YELLOW or some color for a week to work, showing that we are all connected on this planet. if people do it for a week all over the world, i guarantee it will show up on the news and people will start TALKING about what is happening!!! an awakening consciousness demonstrated by ACTION. |
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A good idea dolphin - or maybe just not go to work...getting organised...
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I believe that we, the human race, are very powerful beings, equally powerful to any other being on the planet. As humanity comes to realize this, we will naturally come into balance.
A bully thrives on fear. If we stop fearing the bully, the bully will cease to exist. That does not mean non-action. Sometimes one must stand up to the bully fearlessly without lowering oneself to the bully's level. Remember...as souls, we are equally powerful. It is us who choose to give our power away by fearing. Most of us were shown these lessons as children. I feel that the bigger they are...the harder they fall. |
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very nice, this is my thinking as well. However... i still have that little voice in my head that says... " yeah, but how much harder will it be, if we sit around and wait for all these people to rub the sleep from their eyes?" (i had a bunch more typed, but decided against it) lol Blessings |
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Though I agree that a major part of this ''change'' can be manifestated via meditation, and that personal responsibility is the key. This alone will not change the world, I realise that they are waiting to call martial law, and many protests would probably bring about this, but at the same time, come on people, as well as the masses losing their spiritual divinity many men have also been conditioned to be de-masculated, the warrior lies within us all.... and there will come a time when it must be released.
Anyway, as a minor solution, I find that symbolism plays a major role in our society, and there are many ways of using this to our advantage... not theres. you could simply destroy a major corporate building (not promoting terrorism), or even create a huge symbol that is to be destroyed (burning man??). Lately I've been writing messages on all cash that comes into my hands (only on the outskirts obviously) just simple things like ''NWO?'' ''Tell us the truth''... my personal preferance is little alien greys and pyramids. even if this does not help in awakening the masses there is a logic to it, if every note gets some form of writing on the sides this would cause them to have to print out even more money, making us all richer! (maybe..) anyway, it's just some thoughts. |
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I spend literally hours and hours trying to keep up with everyone's posts here at PC. I think this forum is fantastic. I thank PC for giving us this forum to unite and help where we can.
People I talk to seem to all know that governments are corrupt, politicians are corrupt and so on. It is an “accepted” knowledge. They accept the fact that they have to “vote” for the lesser of the two evils so to speak. They are more concerned with just getting on with their own life, taking care of themselves and their family as best they can, and that there is nothing they can do to change it anyway. When asked “why don’t we the people band together and stop this?” Respone: "It is very difficult to get everyone to agree on any one thing", and yet that is what makes us unique. In a time of crisis, our community does pull together wonderfully to help each other. I am confident that our community will pull together should there be an economic crisis. Most of us here have to be, to a certain extent, self reliant. There is only one glitch. If the crisis is due to earthly changes, our community emergency plan may just be of no use to this island community. I sense there are many that are willing to stay and go down with the ship so to speak if that happens and there is no escape. I, for one, am more concerned with ascending to a higher level. Saying that, I do want, and I and do try, to participate however I can to help others. Perhaps in this forum, I will discover how it is that I may contribute and be of service to others. |
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I have often wondered: What would happen if an exceptionally intelligent good soul interfered with the whole communications network and showed the people irrefutable evidence of all this corruption and how we can stop it? And this intelligent soul did this, day after day after day until TPTB had to shut down all communications to stop it? (Dreaming here and I haven't totally thought out the consequences) I am willing to try collective meditation to bring about changes and pray it works.
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Someone may have said this, can't remember for sure as I've been following the thread since it began and don't remember all the posts :P
BUT I think we need a nation-wide, continent-wide, WORLDWIDE sick day. Everybody just up and calls in sick. No one goes to work (maybe some paramedics and ER people - sorry guys). We can all go to the beach/park/wherever instead and have a big party. Or what the heck stay home, I don't care, but the whole mass-not-going-to-work thing, that'd be great. It'll never happen though. |
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This was already probably covered but the 5th of November is being planned for a general stike.
You might check this site out. http://www.votestrike.com/global_general_strike |
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As my mom told me as a child, "two wrongs don't make a right". Destruction of property is violence, is this what you want to promote? Isn't that what we would like to see the end of? What if there are innocent people in the building or nearby and they were injured or killed? How would you feel? Kill them all and let God sort it out? The end result justifies the means? |
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I just wanted to state that I to have explained to many of my friends and family just what is happening around us. It has fallen on deaf ears. Fortunately, I have not lost my friends but some damage has occurred to my reputation. I have stemmed the tide to keep my friends.
However, I have also spoken of "possible" things to come. This was done in hopes that they will awaken when things begin happening. If just one of these things happens I'm sure they will be calling us. Then we can help guide them in the right direction with more success. We will be there for them, to assist them, when there bubble is busted wide open and they become awakened to the truth. Ampgod |
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if this is terrorism we are worse off than you can imagine. it is ore right to have freedom of speech,and our right to protest if we disagree. just the fact robyn your afraid is a serious problem. morgan is on target. maybe our congress will take care of it and shoot down the one trillion bailout. maybe that's a start. call all your elected officials and tell them if they don't fight to protect this country you will not only vote against them but everyone down the list etc....
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I respect your post Robyn, and I am in no way promoting terrorism (we got our gov/media for that), I was merely suggesting how symbolism majorly effects us, usually certain groups use this against us, my idea was to use it the other way round.
I'm sorry that you were offended by my post, but a revolution doesn't just happen like that I'm afraid. Not a saying I live by robyn but ''you wanna make an ommelete you gotta break some eggs'', my voice won't be silenced by you, and I don't fear anybody who reads the posts..... but you can go ahead. |
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The problem with organizing is that organizations present a target and therefore an entity that can be more easily attacked and subjugated. A simple analogy for the personal responsibility you mentioned is war - if every solider put down their weapons and said "we will not fight!", then of course there would be no wars! I don't believe that protest and any other conventional means of instigating change is going to work, predominately because the majority required to effect the status quo are 'still plugged into the Matrix' and they do NOT want to take the red pill! I wonder if the number of people that have realized the reality of mass psychosis might one day reach a point where opposition - benevolently or malevolently - is not required. In other words enough people exist (and can co-operate) to form viable community's that can exist autonomously from the outside world...which is what Project Avalon is about, right? :original: |
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HOLD UP!
It seems that the majority out here believe that there is only a small number of us to balance a huge number of all powerful THEM. Wow, for you conspiracy buffs out there, this is a nice new chunk to bite off and chew... first, a little background: Zakat: I am sure by now that many of you have had Islam shoved down your throats since 9-11. Well, let's scratch our brains to get the neurons working... let's talk about the pillar called Zakat, or charity. This is not a voluntary charity like we think of in the West; this would be better described as the "poor due"; the responsibility of the rich to the poor. It is mandatory for every Muslim to "pay/donate" two and a half percent of their wealth to the poor. This is kinda like a mandatory yearly re-setting of the economic cycle; wealth actually DOES "trickle down" under this model. Now, that two and a half percent is payed on REAL WEALTH WITH REAL WEALTH. Fiat currency doesn't count. Every family has to figure out how much gold and silver they have in jewelry, get it appraised, and then donate their fiat currencies for it. They don't have to count what is in the bank, because that is NOT REAL! So, there are these really rich oilmen with bloated bank accounts... and they don't trickle down the wealth. The problem if you've noticed, is that monopoly money is being paid to the poor instead of real wealth- gold and silver. It all spends the same to the poor Muslims in socialist welfare states. But to the ultra-orthodox Muslims HATE this system. To them, they are blocked from fulfilling 20% of their religion. Not only that, but as a matter of principle everyone else in Islamic countries hate the system too, because it deals in usury. Usury is forbidden in Islam; but the way global monetary systems work force the people on the street to use fake fiat usury-obtained paper. Pakistan has tried really hard these past two decades to eliminate as much usury on its currency from world influence as possible, and Saudi Arabia pays lip service. The Malaysian Currency Crisis: When the Malaysian currency crisis rocked Asia, more than just a few economists blamed the fiat/usury system and the dollar for its cause. The Malaysian government took action to start paving the way for a purely Islamic monetary system to replace the dollar in Islamic and OPEC countries by embarking on an enormous project to resurrect the Islamic gold dinar from its grave. Economists and Islamic jurists worked together to determine the actual weight, composition and value of the ancient Islamic gold dinar. And they started making it. With the blessings of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the gulf countries, Malaysia has footed the bill in minting these dinars. Originally the dinars from hundreds of years ago were used on the street by ordinary people. Now, they are minted for central banks, to back paper used on the streets. But they are also available to the public- 100 dinars worth in a bank account can be paid zakat on with two and a half real pieces of gold. Russia, China, Oil, and OPEC Originally Malaysia and Saudi Arabia, with the blessings of Pakistan and Russia, were going to artificially collapse the dollar about five years ago by demanding that OPEC sell oil only in exchange for real gold. This would have completely slaughtered the Unites States, because US gold reserves can't even back 10% of its currency! When the Euro came on the scene (backed in part by gold) it became obvious that it would become a stronger currency. Iran was forced to postpone its adoption of dinars via Euros because OPEC countries weren't sure yet their newest buyer- China- was ready to completely replace the demand the US had for oil. OPEC countries didn't want to kill their biggest customer! The Twin Towers Conspiracy: Throughout the Islamic world, there ran a rumor that Osama bin Laden was working with the Malaysian government on implementation of the Islamic dinar. For them, when the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsed, it symbolized a big middle finger to the globalists financial system, and a thumbs up to the Malaysian minister of finance, Mohammed Mahathir. Mohammed Mahathir: Oh, let's not forget.... Malaysia has had an resurgence of Islamic political parties and the country is being pulled into the far-right by the Islamofascists, but not as bad as many other countries. The cultural head of this insurgency is Mohammed Mahathir! And like so many other Islamofascists, there is a burning desire to re-establish the Islamic caliphate and Islamic economic system in order to bring about... their version of the end of days. C'mon, don't think it is just the Christians who are waiting for Armageddon... all the signs are their in Islamic eschatology, too. Pole shifts will cause the dreaded rising of the sun from the west... But one VERY important fact of Islamic eschatology is that while many of the signs of the day of judgment are based on technology we have now that didn't exist 1400 year ago, Armageddon itself will be fought by hand-to-hand combat with swords. And all throughout the world, in Islamic circles it is rumored that the only way to make that happen is by nuclear weapons. Iran Oh, let's not forget that Ahmadinajed believes this too.. and promised the Shias in his country upon election that he would do whatever was in his power to restore Islamic control over the world. Ok, so let's not get scared... what will happen will happen. But the point I want to make is that 1.5 billion Muslims want the dollar to collapse, and Arab and OPEC countries already have the system in place to take over the failed currencies and systems that will inevitably go down with the dollar. The ex-communist Russians, and the Chinese too, are all for the destruction of the opportunistic dollar and establishment of a fair system. WE in the US may not like Chinese and Arab economic power taking over, but we certainly are not going to drown in economic anarchy either. And the point is... let it happen. We don't need to get "up in arms" like David Icke says, and we certainly are not a measly 2% of people with their eyes open- Asia, Africa and the Middle East are WELL aware of what is going on. I would guess that the ranks of those who know about the BS of the dollar are around 50-60%. And they have been waiting for this DECADES! Just keep buying gold. And if ounces are too big, you can always hope for a safe place for smaller pieces in Dubai (so long as electronic banking is possible). www.e-dinar.com |
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Concept of Decentralized Individual Economies. 1) Work together to get a good and stable free energy system. Once done, we are independent and don't have to pay for energy. 2) With the energy system in hand, the one other thing you need to live on this planet is food. The equstion is simple - trade energy for food. I hope this will make a good start. Awaiting your thoughts.:original: |
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