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Indo-Aryan migration
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For other uses, see Indo-Aryan migration (disambiguation).
Models of the Indo-Aryan migration discuss scenarios of prehistoric migrations of the early Indo-Aryans to their historically attested areas of settlement (North India). Evidence for Indo-Aryan migration is primarily linguistic[1]but it includes a multitude of data stemming from Vedic religion, rituals, poetics as well as some aspects of social organisation and chariot technology[citation needed].
The Indo-Aryans derive from an earlier Proto-Indo-Iranian stage, usually identified with the Bronze Age Sintashta and Andronovo culture at the Caspian Sea. Their migration to and within Northern India is consequently presumed to have taken place in the Middle to Late Bronze Age, contemporary to the Late Harappan phase in India (ca. 1700 to 1300 BCE).

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Aryan
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Aryan is an English word derived from the Sanskrit "Ārya" meaning "noble" or "honorable".[1][2] The Avestan cognate is "Airya" and the Old Persian equivalent is "Ariya". It is widely held to have been used as an ethnic self-designation of the Proto-Indo-Iranians[citation needed]. Since, in the 19th century, the Indo-Iranians were the most ancient known speakers of Indo-European languages, the word Aryan was adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian people, but also to Indo-European speakers as a whole[citation needed].

In Europe, the concept of an Aryan race became influential in the late 19th and early 20th centuries as linguists and ethnologists argued that speakers of these Indo-European languages constitute a distinctive race, descended from an ancient people, who were referred to as the "primitive Aryans", but are now known as Proto-Indo-Europeans.

In linguistics, Aryan is most often used in the context of the sub-branch of Indo-Iranian languages referred to as Indo-Aryan languages.

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I have to say, with the fear of ridicule here, that the hole in the building is inwards and plane shaped. As if a plane had just hit it a few minutes earlier, funnily enough.

If there was no plane, what weapon could have created that hole? Bearing in mind that an explosion from a weapon in the building would blow out not in?

Other than the plane/no plane debate, it certainly seems likely that the buildings were deliberately brought down after the explosion, which lets be honest is crime of the century.

Wonder woman, how did she get there minutes after the blast? Thats intriguing seeing her there. I feel sad because more than likely she died in the collapse.

I suspect though that she must have made her way across to the hole from another part of the building - probably following light.

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And on the other side of this piece of teh debate...if the plane entered the building and then blew up (we all saw it explode after it went in), why do we not see the girders and steel pointing outwards from the blast we all saw?


I am not sure that the angle of the explosion can be used in any determinable way. More telling to me is the "wonder woman"...she shouldn't be able to stand there and live.

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Any number of beam type weapons mounted on aircraft platforms could have made that Wile E. Coyote cartoon cutout. I can assure you that no type of airplane crash could have. Thats ridiculous.

You seem pretty sure that the image of the women (probably meant to be Edna Cintron) might have been real and not fabricated or photoshopped in. Is there any particular reason you are so sure?

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Best 9/11 song = 'Makeshift patriot' by Sage Francis:trumpet:

Explanation Requested
 

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Thanks!! I never dug deeper than 1938 and Prescott before no reason to... but it might be worth a geneolgy trace :biggrin2:

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Look a the first video here :

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=sElG-J3RlEs

and have a look at 7:14 minute .....

there is a plane (?) or something like this which passing between the tower and the camera ......

A b2 ?

A bird ?

the missile luncher ?

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Re Wonder Woman

There is no way to know whether or not she made it out, only that minutes after the fireball the fire in that area is OUT and she is holding on to the metal for support and there for its not HOT... yet they want us to believe that the fires raged hot enough to soften steel...

This is no disrespect to the lady... yet the fact is she shouldn't be there.

I have forged steel to make swords... it takes a LONG TIME to get the metal hot enough to be pliable... and it cools rapidly...

The actual fireball lasted 14 seconds... I screen captured from the video 1 second intervals

The buildings were made strong enough to withstand FIVE plane hits and still stand... according to the designers

I don't usually get involved in the 911 debates because they get ugly... but the facts speak for themselves...

The metal was STILL RED HOT in the ground 6 WEEKS after..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../metal_003.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../metal_004.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../metal_005.png


See for yourselves...

9/11 World Trade Center, 6 weeks later,still 1500 degrees!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsh-JpY9bk4

The dripping metal down the side of the building...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../metal_001.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../metal_001.png

This metal is bright orange.... yet skeptics say "Oh it's obviously molten aluminum from the plane..."

Well OBVIOUSLY :lmao:

Thermite Experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM

Molten Aluminum Experiment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdkyaO56OY

Pouring molten Aluminum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbaiuK3M3U


So there you have it...

Now I still have issues with the Thermite explanation simply because there is no way thermite would keep the metal red or orange hot 6 Weeks after the collapse in the ground... and no insulation around the steel being material from the building like concrete would hold the heat that long...

So what did?

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I need help locating a video clip

I consider it of immense importance. I thought I had saved a copy but cannot find it in my library

I have a series of captures from it...

This is the remaining steel frame skeleton Look at it closely and explain to me how the steel vaporizes into dust?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...911/wtc_05.jpg

This is more clear in the video... so we need to find it...

A beam weapon, as John suggest CAN indeed produce such results... and explain both the fine powder of the left over material and the 'missing matter'

It is unfortunate (for us) that they speedily dumped all the material in the ocean

And before you say "We don't have any 'beam weapons'... you should know that I have a LOT of data on that ... for another thread :bleh:

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Hi John, Henry, Ron, everyone:

I enjoyed Henry's question mark. :original:

What seems to have happened is this: (great theater...)

John thought EYES WIDE OPEN was Henry Deacon... and insulted Henry (but addressing it to EYES WIDE OPEN).

Then Henry saw it later and posted his question mark.

John, you know that I respect you hugely. But what you said (AS IF to Henry was not warranted. Henry has been to some places few people ever have - but not (to the best of my knowledge) on any turnip truck.

As best I know, you don't know the guy. John, do take the trouble - after all the trouble you HAVE taken to collect all your data - to get his data also. Not logical, Captain, to ignore that.

For those who don't know the history:

Henry stated on Camelot (publicly) that the WTC planes were real, not holograms - because (explained to me privately) he personally worked on the technology used in the data transfer from the 9/11 control base to the "white aircraft" (the data relay plane) ... which was relaying control data to the actual WTC aircraft.

On that basis (and ALSO from what he was briefed about, as I understand it) Henry fairly reasonably concluded that the WTC planes were real.

If they WEREN'T - then there was even more of a charade going on than anyone realizes even now, and those with good data need to work together to figure this out.

Repeat: work together...

There's a real opportunity here to collaborate to figure things out. If we miss this, then we're all dumb.

I'll now monitor this thread with tremendous interest... :biggrin2:

Very best to all - Bill

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If you think the no plane thing is bizarre. THIS IS GOING TO BLOW YOUR MIND!

http://www.drjudywood.com/

Seriously, if you aren't familiar with this info, it's worth checking out.

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Thank you, I am in awe.

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i must say, the photos Zorgon posted of the plane going into the tower in the first post are the most compelling evidence for the no-plane theory i have seen.

I also wanted to share this awesome 3D Holographic technology, which only makes me think that if average citizens have this, what must the governments technology be like.

Holographic Projection - 3D Dancing Hologram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpQloAn_3w

Though im not on the no-planer bandwagon just yet, some very interesting evidence in this thread though, definitely making me think things over.

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What's that now?
The first, and now the second, thread I read today... both are filled with people not getting along too well, to say the least.
What's going on?

Do I dare to read another thread? :sweatdrop:

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Eyes Wide Open you have stated your point to John but by not reading his affidavid you are also 'throwing toys out of the pram'

This debating stuff is not meant to be easy and it will always cause conflict. As long as it doesnt stop people learning and communicating then I can handle it. Sometimes people say things they may regret but most of us are only human and not Vulcan :)

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I did not give any credence to the "no planes" theory until I watched the "September Clues" series on YouTube. In, what I thought was, a very clever analysis of the TV footage from that fateful day, many anomalies are shown up.

Eyes Wide Open - have a look and see what you think? I don't think we should 100% trust what ANYBODY here says, whether it be Lear, Wilcock, Deacon, Ryan, Cassidy, Burisch etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqEpuTGc98s

And let's not be over-sensitive about things, hey? Let's concentrate on trying, as Bill says, to work together to get at the truth. I've always felt that 9/11 is the achilles heel of the illuminati. There's just so much evidence that the official version is a crock of s**t.

If we could get the right facts out to the masses, we might make a difference?

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Hello bill, all,

what is the "white aircraft" ?

is there is some web links about that ?

thanks

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Mystery 9/11 aircraft was military 'doomsday plane'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgF9Fd4UyMY

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I must be dumb then because will not 'collaberate' with anybody over anything. But especially not with a disinformation artist to 'figure things out'.

I already figured it out.

Let me make it simple for all of us:

This will be my last post on Project Avalon.

And don't ask me back as I have much better uses
for my time than 'working together' and spoon feeding the ignorant.

All the best,

John Lear

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for a brilliant guy, you are pretty ignorant yourself John. Grow up man.
One of the seniors on site, and you behave like a child when something you dont like is said.
Peace

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:mfr_omg:
Oh, my gods !
:plane:
You'll be back...

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Zorgon

I saw this link on another topic , ULTRA ALTERNATIVE 9/11 theory. in » Project Avalon Forum » Project Camelot » Conspiracy Research
Maybe you mention figure 38(b). Another video of steel turning to steel dust, although CNN’s Aaron Brown calls it smoke. on page: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/D...WarsBeam3.html

You can't download (i can't with FF3 on Linux) the avi en mpg from the link, but you can download it from the picture.

I have downloaded it, if you can't.

BTW http://www.drjudywood.com/ is very nice to look at.