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So when a thread is closed it means that the thread is no longer public and no longer for membership viewing?? Or that no one can no longer post anything to the thread? I would think that if a thread is still viewable & people can no longer post on it, maybe that's ok? Who knows or who cares at this point.

Maybe if Bill & Kerry really cared they'd make amends and continue with what they had originally started, which is their global PC interviews. Either way better to pray or put more balance positive thoughts into it all than just complain or hate, anger over it I think.

Kevin

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[QUOTE=morguana;246331]i send my love to both bill and kerry and wish them all the best on new adventures,

keep those heart fires burning and radiate love out
it will be ok

agree morguana,

each perspective is different,
stuff happens, especially now, no judgement either way,
keep on keepin on kerry n bill,
all support to you both

sorry morguana, messed up your quote , still learning, as are we all

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I very rarely post on forums becouse i have problems with spelling and grammer (i am dysexic but i have an IQ of 141).
i have been following this situation all day and i feel i have to say something if i can put it into words.

the very nature of this forum means that paranoia has the opertunity to run rife.
i have veiwed most of the camalot materiel and i regulary veiw most important threads on Avalon.
it is apparant that there is much dis info going on and the lines between truth and fiction are seriously blurred.
i get the feeling that some of of the camalot "whisleblowers' are not quite what they apear on the serfice.
i have watched some of there testomonies contradict themselves and 1 or 2 seem untrustworthy (and sometimes even unstable) to me on a personal level.
also some of well respected ones have made some serious research errors IMHO.
i keep these to myself becouse ultimatly its just my opinion but it has led me to the conclusion some of these whistle blowers are either partial frauds or dis info agents.
i notice a couple often use each others testamony to corobertate there own stories all the while denying knowlege of their source info.
it may be that some of these truly belive that they are speaking the truth it may also be possable that info has been planted with them both to make their story,s plausable and dis credit them and others at the same time.
some of them may not even be aware that are just being used as dis info agents.

i must stress that i think much info is genuine and ther are some awsome researchers afiliated with PC (Jim marrs bob dean etc) but all it takes is 25% mis info to blur the line and take all credability from someone (or indeed the whole feild).
its the the whistle blower testomony that seems to be the problem as it can never be truly substantiated in most cases.

i feel that bill and Kerry have become the intentional victims of this and this is what has caused the break down of a very formadible team that was probably one of the biggest threats to the organisations that are behind all this (the same thing happend to david Ike, since he was discreadeted in the british press he never been taken seriuosly in the british press again even though much of his research is first class)

someone has worked very hard to sow miss trust and dis info into the minds of Bill, Kerry and those around then, there plan has worked perfectly IMO.

its a real shame that this has happend as as a team they were very formidable i worry as the future of PC now and the credability of anything they produce from now on which is what "they" want.

i dont think blame should be pointed at either Bill or Kerry as the ultimate villan in all this will never be known.

i for one will keep up with both camalot and Avalon i truly hope that bill and kerry can see this for what it is and put the episode behind them for the sake of the truth (even if they dis agree as to what that may be)

The men behind the curtain are picking up the pace on their agenda as we speak so it may not be long before at least some of there agenda is revealed we really need strong people like Bill and Kerry working together at a time like this and not fighting among themselves.

i really hope they can patch things up.

Joel.

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Wise words indeed Seeingterra.
Thanks.
:thumb_yello:

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No... it's more than just that and I made a video detailing what I've known for decades concerning such challenges.

I know their secret & its YOU!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOz4tWY4-4Q

Kevin

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Kerry, Is Jack Burns the very same John Burns that bill is speaking of in his rant of late and if so, being friends with Gordon Brown of this news item. http://www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm You say he had went with you to EU, and did you all meet up with Gordy?

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The forum was essentially turned over to Bill in Dec {Edit 2008 NOT 2009}. Then I don't know what happened he wasn't around for about a year, and we essentially ran the forum by ourselves. Now Bill is back and he is active with the mod team for the last couple of months. And yes, we do have some very specific plans for what the Avalon 2.0 forum will look like. It will not be a free for all. Kerry and Bill do have differences of opinion about how the forum should be run and the mods were constantly caught in the middle. I missed most of that and came on the team just before we were left on our own.

Kerry's interests lie with working on Project Camelot films, the radio show, and Project Light Warrior. Kerry has a lot good qualities. Working with the mod team is not one of them. People complain to her and without any knowledge of the forum threads or why we did what she did she suddenly appears, issues some demands, and then walks out. Is this Kerry bashing? No more than it would be bashing me to state that I like math and science and hate working in the kitchen - I'll go in the kitchen do a couple of things then run out.

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:mfr_lol: :thumb_yello:

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this is indeed a very sad yet reflective situation imho....it is what is happening/happened/will happen to everyone on a personal level as we start to release ourselves and break away from factions of our lives we no longer fit so comfortably within. it is also starting to be seen on a geographical, global level too.

compassion should be shown and offered by all here for both B and K in their respective ''dispute'' and we should try to avoide dividing ourselves up on a who is right and who is wrong scenario... what is done is done... and now it is.
it makes things very difficult for us to get over and move forward from such situations which affect us on some personal level (which i believe we ALL want to do)
to view things in a judgemental frame of mind in an all rather soap operatic style makes things very difficult for us to live in the now and progress out of this negative environment.

it is a shame...but it has happened.....much love and gratitude to B and K and all the love and best intentions on their journey, as well as everyone elses...on here and not.
look forth with love in our hearts and a strength of knowing that we are stronger for what we have learnt from their collaboration and use it for our own growth.

keep smiling, peace always
mikey

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I've reserved posting anything on this Issue until I was sure of My thoughts on the matter as It seems to have played out. Now that it has - I've gathered My thoughts on this Issue and now feel it is necessary that I post My Intentions relative to PA/PC both Past - Present and Future.

Please let Me explain...

Past

When I first came to Project Avalon/Camelot - I'd already become a regular watcher of the Interviews that both Bill and Kerry had started out with on the Internet. The Interviews seemed full of useful Info and really did seem to connect some dots for Me across many of the Topics I'd been researching. I was grateful to Them for having the drive to suffer whatever came to Them so long as They got out the Truth of things. They seemed to be Kindred Spirits...

Then, as Project Avalon/Camelot came into being I again thought that this was a courageous effort by Bill and Kerry to display the Truth to the Masses once and for All ("TPTB" be Damned).

With that in mind I financially supported the Website (Along with many others) in It's early days so as to ensure that Money wasn't an Issue in keeping the Truth @ Camelot and Avalon Online for All to see. Why, I even gave some Insider Information to Bill that I'd kept close to the chest for awhile and was happy to contribute to what seemed to be a Non-Polarized approach to dealing with Our Issues as a Species, and all the varied Challenges involved in that. This said - Shutting down the Forum or locking a Thread does not seem appropriate with with One such as I - No matter the reasons for It.

PRESENT

Now flip forward to the present. As I look at Avalon and Camelot - I see alot of Regurgitation of Info in the Interviews and still no real solid data from the Whistleblowers as to how to approach the Issues We as a Species face. I have My own Ideas but that is not the Issue here. What I always seem to see or hear now is "Next Interiview" or "Next Seminar/Conference" for the same ole same ole. No specifics, just bold generalities.

As has already been said - Some of these "Whistleblowers" seem to quote each other - Who when talking about those others - Quote the very same People quoting Them as valid Sources in the first place. Doesn't anyone see this as a more and more common theme and one that frankly We're starting to see through or get tired of at any rate ?

I've seen Mannerisms and Actions in the Videos and MP3s as well as the Forum Threads that has My Alarm Bells going off with what I know and I must be honest about this - I mean no disrespect to anyone - But I must say it like I see it. Please understand that this is not how I feel specifically - As I'm usually able to circumvent such manoevers by others or at least recognize them - But I would almost say that based on what I've descibed above seeming to go on more and more here at Camelot and Avalon - Its like the analology of a Hamster on a Wheel chasing a Carrot just in front of It - Furiously chasing that Carrot but never getting anywhere close to eating/catching it - Ever...

Perhaps this was the Intention of the Initiative in the first place - To give Us a place to congregate - Catalogue Us - Then destroy the Iniative at a point when something finally had to give. Who knows but what I can say from My perspective is this ;

This is a Classic Jesuit Tactic - Divide and Conquer and while I'm not saying that this was the intention by any stretch of the word - It is definately the Result no matter how Its come about.

The Two Founders - Have now parted ways - Moving onto Their own puruits in Matter and good for Them as I would not intend that anyone do what does not call Them.

BUT

With that said - I was called to the seeming Integration of Project Camelot and Project Avalon at It's inception - Supported It as It held It's Focus - And now wonder at It's Division(s).

This is a serious constructual Issue with one such as Myself who never holds a Polarized viewpoint and has vowed to support only Integrated Initiatives supporting Expansion. Its only the Highest and Best Good of All Concerned in All Things with One such as My Self. That stated - Choosing to stay with one Founder or the other or both now means that We must make a choice about which to Trust - And or - To what degree We should, depending on which Founder is concerned. While this is something that We can readily deal with - Its something We should NEVER have had to deal with as regards these two Individuals - that being Bill and Kerry.

Now that I'm prompted to - Or that others will have to (As is normal for Humans to do in instances such as these) shows Me simply - Polarism and Dualism rearing It's ugly head no matter how I look at It.

Indeed - I sense that both were incorrect in the actions They've undertaken in relation to this Issue. I'd hoped that They would see this as bigger than any One of either of Them and with that known - Settle it in that Light. Now that They've gone in separate directions, perhaps I and others should be doing the same. That said, this is perhaps the greatest indicator to Me as to the course of action I must now think about undertaking.

FUTURE

Simply stated - I will lurk for awhile and post still some more but I do so now with caution in a place I used to feel at Home. I will ponder My actions in reference to PA/PC further so as to decide on how to proceed. I honestly do not feel at Home anymore here and wonder to Myself - "What is "Postable" and what isn't ?"

With the above said - I love You all and hope You will follow Your Spirit. Hopefully that understanding was given with this Post if I've left no other...

Infinitus Eternus

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Everything must change

and there are many seasons ..

all you need is forgiveness ,then

and all else turns to love and

kindness ... love and kindness rhythmmm :wub2:xx

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Pluto in Capricorn, better get used to it, it's a looooing cycle. All will be revealed, like it or not, be prepared or not. Up to you, but that's whats on the menu. Exposure is the name of the game . If there's something rotton in Denmark, it will be known in Saginaw.

Avoid drama, take personal responsibilty and it will be easier all round.

Some people sound like they actually think they live here and B+K are their parents :nono: Individuation is an important maturing process, let go of mom and dad, they will find their own way as one must do oneself .

One thing about the new age agenda aspect of "all being one" is people have lost sensible boundaries. Lots of personal statements and speculation here mostly from people who have never even sat in a room with the mentioned parties. Amazing to behold!

Get a grip and go with YOUR flow. A life off the net is something perhaps to contemplate?
Whatever happens, life continues and whatever was learned here will be continued . best wishes to all.

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Bill and Kerry have put a lot of information in the public arena. I think they have done a great job and probably gone through a lot of sacrifice as well as personal growth. Project Camelot is, at least in my view, a counter psy-ops project. I don’t know if it was intended that way, but that’s the kind of reality the project is exposed to. I would be very surprised if not Camelot and Avalon are at least under surveillance, if not outright infiltrared. Not only love and light will protect someone who goes right into PTB territory, you also need some experience in PTB modus to protect yourself. PTB is smart and they work cost efficient. Don´t expect open attack, expect stealth and, above all, manipulation. Manipulation is cheap and you may use people who are not even aware of that they are used. Plant some info to someone who is broke and perhaps has a mental disorder. Rig up a contact "I know this great witness". Voila.

The best way to counter manipulation is to be aware of risks. There is a project tradeoff between the need to reach out fast and quality control. I understand the intial drive to get out and spread the word. But how was the quality/quantity tradeoff managed? Perhaps this is the main reason behind todays managerial problems.

There is a lot of material on Camelot today.There is one interview that I know of (Klaus Dona) where it is possible to crosscheck and verify claims from official sources. Most interviews are built only on the implicit trust in the person interviewed. To a large extent it has to be that way, but that does not mean that the actual truth becomes irrelevant! Either you go for the truth, or you dont. Why stop the search for truth at verifying someones identity or CV? Why not continue and at least try to verify also what they say? If I had experienced, let´s say, physical time travelling and I decided to go public with this, I would welcome all methods to convince people that I am telling the truth. Witnesses might be offered a polygraph test. It´s simple and it works. Claims that are physically verifiable should be checked, such as implants. Why not x-ray or scan someone who says he has an implant? If its possible to have 100+ translators working for free, wouldnt it be possible to find some doctor who could scan? Witnesses could be offered a cross-examination follow-up interview, where emphasis is on verification. Why not create a staff of volounteers for this? There are a lot of skilled people out there, with the right examinas and work experiences to conduct cross examinations. Put togheter a team, use skype and lets see how a witness stand up to cross examination. No need to go live, be rude or disrespectful, just publishing a protocol would do it. You might do this before an actual interview, just to establish credability. This might be a healthy way of deterring manipulators and others who are not truthful.

Witness testimonies are the very core of Project Camelot, and the project will not survive if witness quality control does not improve. I don´t think simple, basic control measures would deterr a serious witness who has a true story to share. PTB manipulators would have a much harder job and the mentally disturbed would not be encouraged to use PC as a way of avoiding their true self.

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united we stand.

you have done amazing work together, you put in touch a lot of people alike, and after all this time, you just realise that you don´t get along? :winksmiley02:
???

be well, and keep doing a good work.

pedro

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Thanks Kevin, I loved the simple message of your video~~ :thumb_yello:

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I just watched it too, and I agree with everything you say in it, Kevin. :)

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Can something really be owned by one party or the other... They sell me water, when infact it was mine in the first place.. They sell me oil, when infact we walked though the trees brushed their leaves before they fell... They tell me its their road when we have helped paved its way.. They tell my its theirs when in fact its actually ours all a long.

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imo this is spot on Mikey... excellent post!!! :original:

~ one love ~

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Free speech sadly does not mean what it implies, it never has, and never will.

For me, it is just a 2 word sentence, which humanity has been fighting for, for as long as we have had speech.

We would all like to believe we have free speech, but do we really? This forum is no different, as it has already been stated which direction it wants to go.

Only compassion and empathy allow free speech. Once compassion and empathy is given over to control, then it is lost once again.

I thank Bill & Kerry for their original intent, as I thank all on this forum for their time and patience that is put into this forum.

love & light

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Maybe you haven't been to other forums where 'free speech' (which includes everything from hoaxes, to derogatory remarks) really doesn't apply. I have seen no evidence of foul play at this forum yet common human error is being dramatized. Trust me this place is very different, its true that its heading in a new direction, but this does not mean its suppressing free speech, I bet you haven't ever had any of your posts deleted at this forum, there are other places that do that very regularly and for no reason whatsoever.

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Personally, the position of the observer is a good one as it is also the role of the witness. The witness provides support by being present and not taking sides.

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"would be very surprised if not Camelot and Avalon are at least under surveillance, if not outright infiltrated. "

Spot on ! I worked it out in Zurich during the conference . Far too many spies around ..Even the Swiss ground crew is infiltrated . At least one young female works for the secret services . Of this I am absolutely certain . My wife and I know what happened ....

Thanks for making some very good points Light and Fight .
Another point I would like to make is this . Too many people interviewed by PC were employed sometime by the alphabet soup agencies . We know that once a spy ... always a spy . There were a couple of excellent exceptions .
We were lucky to hear two personalities without any murky background they are Klaus Dona and Patrick Geril . I enjoyed their interview immensely .
But because the majority of the whistle blowers have a shady past it is very hard to get a picture that makes sense . We even heard that our genes makes us " royalty " amongst the galactic community !
That must be one of the biggest " porky " ever told . The reality is that we are probably one of the most vile species in the universe .
This fact must be evident by how we treat each other and how many of our species suffer from hunger , preventable diseases , poverty and ignorance while a small minority live like princes . We have absolutely no respect for ourselves , nature , our species . With such behavior our genes must be garbage bin material , but this is another story .
On balance PC and Avalon present us occasionally with some pearls .

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As has already been said - Some of these "Whistleblowers" seem to quote each other - Who when talking about those others - Quote the very same People quoting Them as valid Sources in the first place. Doesn't anyone see this as a more and more common theme and one that frankly We're starting to see through or get tired of at any rate ? quoting mercuriel

this is exactly what happened with the 2009 disclosure fiasco. wilcock quoting that aussie bloke and vice versa.. all hearsay being touted as fact.. i lost faith in it all when i saw this silliness occuring.

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This sums up the free speech debate. If free speech means randomly posting anything you want at any time about any subject then we may as well change the name from project avalon to project aimlessuninintelligiblenonsense.

What we want is the ability to post conflicting opinions within a genre. (PTB, NWO, whistleblowers, our future, etc). Not unvetted wild claims about delivering books to Ingol Swan as a ghost before we were born and remote viewing the Devil hanging out with ET's in the White House basement. (See Albert Venczel, Kerry's recent super informative schizophrenic mental case unvetted radio guest. Better yet, don't bother.)

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I re posted this.
Dont get me wrong I am for free speech but it can drown out truth at times.
Chris

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I cant see why moderators are ever attacked and accused of having an agenda.
As far as I can see they do a great job and I thank every one of them.

Here is a Dr David Hawkins quote.

"We don't need more freedom of speech, we need freedom from speech"

Chris

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klaus dona interview was one of the best ive seen. this is the kind of interview i like. the dude with the earings and tattos telling us things we already know is not what i watch camelot interveiws for. i like bill and people like hoagland. at first i thought oh they dont go far enough, but after 2 yeasrs down the rabbit hole fulltime i might add, youy realise that lots of stuff is just bs. i find the solid facts are amazing enough without adding frilly nonsense.

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yes i had to lol when i heard that crap.. insulting to my intelligence.

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Totally agree, the problem is many people prefer the story telling nonsense, and the thing is it can be amusing but after a while it definitely affects the credibility of those core 'facts' or elements of truth.

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Everyone has an agenda....

Have mods been attacked? (verbally of course) Perhaps the word attacked is a bit over the top? Everyone is responsible for their posts and conduct and everyone is accountable for what they say and do, shouldnt this include mods? Obviously being a mod is not easy but shouldnt they have the same responsibilty and accountability as members?

I would mention one particular mod who's conduct and willingness to go beyond the call of duty in the chat room on the day the forum went down but Im not going to. Those who were there know :smoke:

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That is so but there is a situation throughout the world where political correctness has bowed to free speech to the point where in some places one would be frightened to mention the word God and Im not talking about preaching. Christmas has almost disappeared because it may offend non Christians. Im not a Christian.

I dont mind anyone expressing any point of view, but free speech is a mutually agreed right and has responsibilities. Maturity is the ability to accept the consequences of ones actions. Say what you will do what you wish but every action has consequences,, hopefully good ones.

Can I have my 50p tooth fairy? I followed the instructions put it under the pillow etc
In fact you owe me for several.
Regards
Chris

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this is what worries me the most, we cannot organise a tea-party for 2 and we want to save the world? So sad, so sad.

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You might find it interesting to visit "the ego what is it thread? how to transcend."

Ego is the only cause of disagreement, war etc.

Healthy self esteem is earned and different.

Regards to all who are concerned.
Chris

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So your replacing Bill with Jack Burns huh? Speaking of the beatles,
Jack Burns= yoko ono.

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Bill and Kerry you guys help me in ways that cannot be express with words. Even do we have never met personally through your journey you have touch the lives of many. Please know that irregardless in which direction you guys decide to go whether together or separate the destination is the same.

Thank you both always. :original::thumb_yello::wub2:

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hey, wasnt Jack Burns the CIA agent character in "Meet the Fockers"?

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"Are you a pothead, Focker?"

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Was Project Camelot notified about copyright infringement? Doesn't the use of that music configure "fair use" since it is a news/commentary video?

I think the rush to take the video down only served to give people suspicions about the intent behind it.

Even if it was only to make sure, why not edit the video first and then reupload it without making it unavailable for the public?

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has anyone thought also that tptb are not too concerned about camelot avalon anyway. i mean most of the info protects itself due its outlandish nature. like david wilcock said and bill too i beleive if you throw in some insanely wild stuff you kind of discredit yourself a bit anyway . new people will dismiss and then come round to whats going on in their own time. the gen public dont want to beleive in stuff anyway and the few researchers understand the game being played.

however too much outlandish stuff starts to make you look like sorcha faal or any other tainted internet site that spouts bs. camelot/avalon must get back to its roots with creible info with a bit of wild specualtion on the side.

its amusing that patrick geryl is one of the most credible witnesses even though his well thought out theory is shocking, that was oine of camelots better descisions to post that vid.klaus dona was also good.

too much channeling and not enough hard info to match it is whats been happening.