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Here are some other interesting rodin coil videos for anyone who may be interested
now i'm really pumped to see what your quartz enhanced coil does :D |
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Yeah, I've seen most of those vids, thanks for sharing! Especially for the ones I haven't seen. Anyways, one thing you'll also notice they're doing different with the coils is they are not taking the toroid geometry into consideration. They are using whatever they can to make the toroid, which does show that the pathway is most important, but the shape can make it much more efficient.
With my coil, the wire will always touch the surface of the toroid as there are no air gaps. The toroid also has mass which you want, also it being a diamagnetic substance. Oxygen gas is paramagnetic which you don't want as it will absorb the magnetic field and not aid with gravitic coupling. Also another reason I will be surrrounding the coil with distilled water. |
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Hello Gregor
It is a great job you are doing. You said that this is colaborative task, and i agree , building some like this requires many skills, no body knows everything , so we must cooperate. You are in the right track , i would like to support many of your concepts, as they are correct (in my oppinion at least) I have some information, to share, but i dont like to bring much attention to me, now since you "open the can of worms" , lets continue your thread I would like to say that your thread interested me because you talk about specific concepts, and thats the key to advance in this project. Another thing that i noticed is that , it may be easier for you to be in contact with Nassim Harameim or Marko Rodin, and that is a key factor because they are one of the leading experts on the subject Much of this information is already covered by -Nassim Harameim -Marko Rodin -Tom Bearden, John Bedini -Jesie Mercay, and VASTUVED institute -Tom Valone -John Searl -Jeremy Stride -David Wilcox Just to mention a few modern researchers You said that by the moment you are not using physics or math, i believe it is necesary to inlcude some of it on the explanation of concepts The building of a free energy machine requires knowledge on -Classical Physics -Electromagnetism -Modern Physics -Quemistry -Electronics -Mecanical engineering just to mention a few skills and knowledge You will realieze (or maybe you have already) that producing free energy is not the difficult part the hard time is producing a machine that is stable and that its safe for human use and that complies with all the goverment regulations for energy producing machines. For a machine to engineerable, it must be measurable and predictable ,according to engineering tables and calculations, thats why physics is so important it is important to describe all the fenomena from a point of reference , wich in this case will be the atom The atom is the interface between the quantum energy flux and our material world Nassim has done a great job describing the atom energy in a mesurable way , ant Tom Bearden has done a great research identifying the electromagnetic fenomena Marko Rodin has done a great job identifying the mathematical cicle of the atom and the electro magnetic interactions Now all this may sound complex for the non initiated, but if we keep showing simple concepts after concepts, then eventually every one will undestand what we are talking about If you are interested in me to contribuite, please let me know Best regards (forgive any typing errors english is not my native language) |
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hey the techguy. Thanks for all the info you've shared.
Oh trust me, I am using physics and math but the concepts involve using geometry and the interaction between them, which yes, can be described with math and physics, but I don't need numbers to share the concepts. I am using a program called GeoGebra which is a 2D geometry program which I use for calculations and laying out the vortex geometry. I also did use a 3D modeling program called Maya which I have 10 years of experience with, however, the newest version I just got and it's not working at the moment. Here's a pic I just took. Just finished the first circuit on the coil, now I'm going to wrap the 2nd one which should go by much quicker, then the fun begins! http://projectavalon.net/forum/pictu...pictureid=9822 I plan to head to Sedona this coming Monday with the coil to do test runs with some researchers up there. I really need at least 10k volts to pump into it, which I might pull off myself by creating a new kind of transformer, a rodin coil transformer. I would wrap a rodin coil around a steel washer, with one circuit with say 10 windings, and the other with only one winding to step up the voltage, but in a much more efficient manner. |
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It's finished! Oh what a beauty. Now I just need 10k plus volts...
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Understood Gregor
Good luck on that trip I would like to comment 2 things 1 about the voltage you need have you tried a tv flyback transformer? they produce a range from 15kv to 75kv, but with little current (a few miliamps) If you need more power you could get yourself and old microwave oven transformer , those are heavy, and the convert from 110 volts to 3kv , but with 10 amps (very dangerous) finally you could wind yourself one, but its alot of winding ( if you do the manual winding, could you post the calculation for the winding so that everybody can make use of it?) 2 About the research We 2 types of research a) to prove the overunity efect, b) to convert that to some comercial usable power About usable power. We need power that is usable by every people with comercial devices ,like TVs, LapTops, Airconditionated etc So need to have some reference parameters to convert the free energy to: Alternating voltaje/current of 110-220 VAC , at 60-50hz The power consumtion is measured for every device is in watts , so we need to know how to convert de quantum energy to that In other words, every gain in the generator must be translated in Joules (work) so that we can have something usefull to produce if calculate de micro or nano Joules for every atom interaction , then we have something to work with there IS A LOT of information on free energy out there, but the important thing is to show concepts that lead to something usefull (like the website on free energy devices of Patrick J. Kelly http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/) I would like to add some concepts, and keep them as simple as possible, but i dont want to distract the attention of your main research iif you agree,i Iīll be adding info that would expand what you are doing |
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thetechguy, thanks again. By all means, post away. You are the exact type of individual I was looking for.
Are there any other type of devices that I could pick up at a store that has a decent transformer, maybe not as powerful, cause ya the 10 amps at that voltage scare me. I'd probably be just find with a half amp at that wattage, maybe even less. I could just go buy a microwave if need be, and thanks for the notion. So about transformers, I really like the concept of using a rodin coil to make the transformer. I just need something iron or steel like that I can either bend such as ribar, or a metal washer. Now let's say the first circuit I ran it through ten windings, and the second circuit I only did once. The first circuit is carrying 100 volts at 1 amp, then the second circuit would be around 1k volts but most surely less than an amp due to leakage. The rodin coil transformer could really prevent leakage, I love the concept. UPDATE NOTE: So I researched it myself, and realized I got it backwards. I have a DC frequency generator here at Tangos. If I set the duty cycle to 50%, would I be able to use a transformer on it do you know as you need a fluctuating current to transform the voltage? What I want to initially prove is if I charge up the coil like a capacitor, will it rotate it keep rotating in the water? If so, then I have a concept in how I can utilize a spiraling wire geometry (cones) that goes in and out of the coil to power it. The negatively charged cone can have a magnet on the inside of it that can keep the capacitor charged. The question is how to keep the voltage up within the coil. Also, if you can elaborate on the fly transformer you just mentioned that would be great. Otherwise I'm going to go research it right now. Note: I forgot to post the pic of the finished coil which is now in my post above. |
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Another idea: What about using a capacitor to charge the capacitor? If I use a HV capacitor, that keeps charging itself, and then releasing its charge into the Rodin Coil Capacitor to build up its charge with a high voltage?
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Maybe a stun gun will work.Check a local pawn shop.
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:mfr_omg: You certainly have been busy ..
Now I must catch up with all this . VERY WELL DONE Greg :thumb_yello: Love from me mudra |
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Just another idea.Try placing a plant or small tree,like a pine tree in the torrid.
as you would know trees produce "juice" too.I just see a link due to your bodys effect on the coil. |
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I see a lot of people on youtube trying to use the rodin coil to increase the electrical power and move a rod & axel, or spin a magnet or something, which from what it seems gives you a lot more power for a lot less, which is awesome as it is
but do you think anyone has tried getting it to spin itself? i don't know what you would have to do with magnets or a way to do that in the water, but do you think it would have any effect? i think because the toroid would maintain its same shape, but increase its speed / vibration it may do something cool? but i'm no scientist :D |
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Great going Gregor.
Maybe an idea to add a second (or more) coil(s), to help expand your experimental potential. Would also act as a backup in case you melt through the first one. Looking forward to the test results, may the spirits of sacred science aid you in your quest :thumb_yello: |
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I began working on a new concept today about how to make the rodin coil capacitor maybe work more effectively. I was thinking about the atom, and how the rodin coil represents the electron cloud, while the center should represent the nucleus which is positively charged. I began thinking about an octahedron after someone mentioned to me that its possible to use a pyramid to step up voltage. I also remember a year back hearing that the Roswell craft had an octahedron in the center of it. I figured out how to wire an electromagnet octahedron that could represent the nucleus. I am working on it right now, about to wire this moment while watching The Prestige go figure haha. More later. |
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Awesome! I just watched Rodin's 2008 lecture on youtube, and was reading all of the negative, naysaying comments - as well as watching genuine attempts by people to figure out how to use the coil. And if you've seen rodin talk you know he gets "terse" as he says because he knows that people aren't totally getting it - even after 20 years of his effort. I was trying to figure out what everybody isn't getting. So in short I almost didn't think that spinning the coil itself would do anything (just because I have no idea what I'm getting into here :lol3:) but I started asking myself "If everyone has it all backwards..." and then spinning the actual COIL made a lot more sense. I really hope that's the thing everyone is missing! Man I'm PUMPED to see what happens. |
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Hello Gregor I havenīt had chance to keep up (due to my job) Now i would like to comment a few things About any other device to get high voltage Maybe you could use an old car tesla coil, the produce form 3k to 15k volts, pulsed of course, the advantaje with them, is that the voltage is not frecuency dependant, you could use your pulse generator to trigger it. About making a transformer Yes , the ratio in turns primary-secundary coils determine the voltage amplification, but, the primary winding must be "tuned" to the input voltage and frecuency The imput coil must have sufficient reactance (aparent resistance) to hold the input voltaje. even working at 32khz requieres more than 1 winding, I wouldnīt recomend using another Rodin coil as steping up voltage transformer because it complicates the design, for now, i recommend to keep it as simple as possible Try using a simple transformer as a voltaje amplificator, you can use pulsed current with 50% duty cycle, For the primary winding you can use a simple calculation for it , like winding resistance = L x F ( you will need a inductance metter, ) a practical number would for a primary coil could be 30 to 40 turns, wich work well with 32khz For the secundary wining you could use the simple faraday rule V= f x N x B (v= voltage, f= frecuency ,N = number of turns , B= magnetic density) For practical use, at high frecuency , you would need at least 1000 turns in the secundary About the rotating coil There is one thing i have learned about the quantum flux and matter Yes , the quantum flux (the moving ether) is dynamic and is moving in vortex like motion But it manifest it self like STATIC on the phisical world, So the ether flux will be spinning inside the coil but , it will be a STATIC force on the outside in Practical terms , as far i have experimented, ,the coil WILL MOVE, but only for a moment until all the atoms around are alligned to the vectors of the vortex, and then thats it As far as i kown, the matter , and itīs relative position is the result of a standing point on that is created due to the in-out ether flux. The flux is dynamic , but the standing point is STATIC To keep rotating, you must KEEP PULSING the electric current on the coil, and it will keep spining Two conditions are needed for this a) each pulse must be inverted ( + - to - +) so that the atoms will be realligning them selfs all the time ,causing motion on the matter ( the coil in this case) b)the input enery of the pulse must be less than the mecanical energy obtained from the rotating coil This point is possible due to the overunity effect of the Rodin coil , wich is as far as Rodin claims , and we know, 62.5% more magnetic energy out,than that we put in About the fly back transformer You just can simply rip it apart from an old tv set, and connect the pulse generator to the primary winding, (you can find this winding easily, on side is connected to the colector of the horizontal transistor and the other side is connected to ground) Varing the frecuency varies the output voltage Hope this helps for know |
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Hello Gregor If i may, i would like to make a comment for clarity, for the analisis of the energy I agree with you about the atom model, the Rodin coil represents the electron cloud wich is a mathematical flux of ether energy About the proton, for clarity, i suggest to see it as Nassim and Rodin has suggested As Nassim said, the proton is in reality, not a positive mass, but a miniblack hole. He describes this on his award winning paper "the schwarzchild proton" In this paper ,Nassim establishes using known physics, that the proton satisfies the schwarzchild condition for a black hole The black holes are the greatest sources of gravity, and the also bend or capture electromangetic signals So the miniblack hole AKA "proton" , is the source of the contraction of the atom, and the source of its mass gravitiy force Rodin calls this the blackhole/whitehole relation Rodin also claims that his coil is in reality a black hole generator, which produces also a supervortex , mathematically ordered the PHI relation between expansion force and contraction force is what generates spiraling vortexes, or logaritmic spirals This is VERY IMPORTANT becasuse this "mini black hole" will be one of the sources of our free energy generator Nassim says that "if the universe is expanding , then something must be contracting, there must be a feedback loop between the radiated side and the contracting side" (http://www.theresonanceproject.org/) The same applies to the atom, because ,according to Nassim, the galaxy and the atom , work the same way So we must include in our calculations, this "contracting energy" on the Rodin coil , and not just the "positive" energy of the magnetic flux due to the flow of the electrons . Tom Bearden , callīs this , "the negative energy" , http://www.cheniere.org I will be including some more of my ideas as they are relevant to your research |
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Thanks thetechguy for all your info. I read it awhile ago, but haven't had a chance to respond. I've been real busy since I've arrived in Sedona. A lot of what you said I knew already or I just recently researched myself (as in transformers) but most of it is an excellent reminder for me as we all get caught up in tangents, especially your second post. I would really like you to stay involved. Posting on YouTube would be of real help as I feel that's where the discussion/collaboration is really going to take off.
However, since Avalon #1 is coming down, and I have no interest in participating in PA2, discussion can continue on the Mists of Avalon in the Free Energy section (http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=191) and also on YouTube. I have still been keeping up on my research, and plan on making an octedheral type II coil, as I made a type I previously. The first runs on DC, the second on AC, and I have decided to go the alternating current route. I have also designed a theoretical new antenna based purely on the phi ratio as displayed below. http://projectavalon.net/forum/pictu...pictureid=9836 As many can see, this is directly related to the Christian Cross. Each segment is divided at the phi ratio (1.618). It's a 2D fractal form of the divine section essentially. In 3D, the cross would be pointing in all six directions, now just four. That means there would only be one central access as pictured but the side segments would be replicated into all four directions which would by lined up to the cardinal points and then planted, just like a tree (each branch in a tree branches out at the phi ratio). The lower section of the cross represents the root system and would ground the antenna. The idea is to tune into the Schumann resonance of the earth, most likely a harmonic/overtone as 7.83hz is a very low frequency, and use it to power a rodin coil. However the rodin coil as it's a toroid is a perfect dipole transmitter which can than rebroadcast the signal for the antenna to recollect (It creates a localized vortex). The system will basically keep charging itself from whence charge can be eventually drained out. I plan to use the octahedral coil in the system hopefully to keep amping up the voltage to increase the efficiency. |
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Thanks thetechguy for all your info. I read it awhile ago, but haven't had a chance to respond. I've been real busy since I've arrived in Sedona. A lot of what you said I knew already or I just recently researched myself (as in transformers) but most of it is an excellent reminder for me as we all get caught up in tangents, especially your second post. I would really like you to stay involved. Posting on YouTube would be of real help as I feel that's where the discussion/collaboration is really going to take off.
However, since Avalon #1 is coming down, and I have no interest in participating in PA2, discussion can continue on the Mists of Avalon in the Free Energy section (http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=191) and also on YouTube. I have still been keeping up on my research, and plan on making an octedheral type II coil, as I made a type I previously. The first runs on DC, the second on AC, and I have decided to go the alternating current route. I have also designed a theoretical new antenna based purely on the phi ratio as displayed below. http://projectavalon.net/forum/pictu...pictureid=9836 As many can see, this is directly related to the Christian Cross. Each segment is divided at the phi ratio (1.618). It's a 2D fractal form of the divine section essentially. In 3D, the cross would be pointing in all six directions, now just four. That means there would only be one central access as pictured but the side segments would be replicated into all four directions which would by lined up to the cardinal points and then planted, just like a tree. The lower section of the cross represents the root system and would ground the antenna. The idea is to tune into the Schumann resonance of the earth, most likely a harmonic/overtone as 7.83hz is a very low frequency, and use it to power a rodin coil. However the rodin coil as it's a toroid is a perfect dipole transmitter which can than rebroadcast the signal for the antenna to recollect (It creates a localized vortex). The system will basically keep charging itself from whence charge can be eventually drained out. I plan to use the octahedral coil in the system hopefully to keep amping up the voltage to increase the efficiency. |
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