Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

Well, I ascribe to the ancient astronaut theory explanation, ala Von Daniken, because I find the interpretation very modern, and makes much more sense than tales of deities and birdlike people with wings.

Angels, archangels, demons, are variations of both benevolent and malevolent extraterrestrial entities.

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Ha Ha, Ortho, I'm not sure you are trying to be funny but that really made me laugh.

God is cosmic consciousness.

God is the nearest of the near and he does believe in you...and he doesn't mind our faults only our indifference.

If God wanted to he could destroy this universe in a instant, as it is held together by his thought and will.

But he won't do that. He is infinitely patient and wants us all to return to him when we have finished playing with creation. I'll wait is the motto!!

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What if all of us are Ancient Astronauts? What if the Human Race Created the Reptilian Race? What if the Human Race Theocratically Ruled the Reptilian Race? What if the Reptilian Race Kicked Our @$$...and Became Our Gods? Remember Battlestar Galactica? I reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious aka The Holy Spirit...and I See Christ in All Persons. I believe that We All Get Recycled. I believe that This Solar System is Our Home. I believe in a Perfected Humanity Living in a Perfected Solar System. So Say We All? Guess Not. So...So Say Me!!

Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...737#post206737 in the context of the United States of the Solar System...regarding Battlestar Galactica and the United Nations. I was very impressed. This is a step in the right direction.

Could the Cylons be the equivalent of the Reptilians. If so...are there theocratic implications? The Cylons were monotheistic. Is Battlestar Galactica really the story of Human Beings (us) coming to Earth? Is Battlestar Galactica really Nibiru, the Moon, and/or the Ark of the Covenant? If so...what was the covenant? Did we have to cut a deal with the Devil to come to Earth? If so...did that deal involve the servitude to, and worship of, the Reptilian Race...who might own and operate the Solar System...and be the Gods of a Universal Chruch? Are we presently trying to back out of that deal? Could this be why there is all the talk about 'Earth Changes', '2012', the 'New World Order', etc? If all of the above is true...what would convince the Reptilians to adopt Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as the Modus Operandi of the Solar System? Who knows? The Shadow Government? Lord Draco? Lucifer? Hathor? Amen Ra? Jesus Christ?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the fictional beings in Battlestar Galactica. For related meanings, see Cylon.

A model of a new series Cylon Centurion. The Cylons are a cybernetic civilization at war with the Twelve Colonies of humanity in the Battlestar Galactica science fiction franchise, in the original 1978 and 1980 series, the 2003 reimagining, as well as the spin-off prequel series, Caprica. In the 1978 series, the Cylons is also the name of the race (Reptilians?) who created the robot Cylons (Greys, Hybrids, PLF'S?).

The nature and origins of Cylons differ greatly between the two Galacticas. However both series feature Cylon Raiders, Cylon Basestars and Cylon Centurions. The prequel series, Caprica, focuses on the creation of the Cylons, which differs from all the previous Battlestar Galactica series.

Main article: Cylon (1978)
The Cylons of the 1978/1980 series are not the mechanical foils seen throughout the series, but an advanced reptilian race who created the robots (who were referred to as Cylons within the show) to serve them, maintain their vast empire and to man their military forces in the face of a sudden population drop that eventually led to the Cylons' extinction — seemingly overnight. This fact is briefly mentioned in the 1978 movie-length premier of the series (near the end of episode 2 in syndication) when Apollo relates the Cylons' origin to Boxey. In the episode "War of the Gods", during Count Iblis's private discourse with Count Baltar, Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice, referring to Patrick Macnee's voicing of the Imperious Leader in the opening episode/theatrical movie (Macnee also played Iblis), with Iblis countering that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago and programmed into the mechanical body of the Imperious Leader.

The follow-up series Galactica 1980 had a two-episode arc entitled "The Night the Cylons Landed" that featured a humanoid Cylon, though unlike its successors in the post-millennial reimagining, it was not organic, but a complex mechanical construct.

The Cylons of the 2003 miniseries and 2004 Battlestar Galactica series are fundamentally different from the Cylons of the original 1978/1980 series. In the new version, the Cylons were created by humans as cybernetic workers and soldiers. As in the original series, the Cylons destroy almost the entire human civilization, chasing a few ship-borne survivors into deep space. Unlike the original series, however, the reimagined series includes twelve Cylon models that are nearly indistinguishable from human beings. Although these human-form Cylons are the focus of the series, alongside the humanoid models there are also Centurions similar to those in the original series. Much of the Cylons' technology is based heavily on bioengineering and/or synthetic biology rather than conventional robotics. Humans often derisively refer to Cylons as "toasters," due to the resemblance of the Cylon centurions from the first Human/Cylon war (the design of which is based on that of the centurions from the original series) to "walking chrome toasters", as described by Gaius Baltar in the miniseries. The humanoid models are referred to as "skin-jobs" to differentiate the two variants.

In contrast to the reason for the original Cylons' genocidal mission, religion is the primary motivation of the Cylon race in the re-imagined series. They consider humans to be sinful and flawed creations who therefore do not deserve to survive. In the original series the Cylons, an aggressively expanding empire, declared war on Humanity because they intervened on behalf of a race of beings called the Hasaris who had been enslaved by the Cylons and who had sought the aid of the Colonials.

In the reimagined series universe, the term Cylon stands for Cybernetic Lifeform Node.[1]

^ http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index...ory=0&id=62495

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Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

Psssst.........God can speak in words through the OM vibration the creative principle of the universe, and has spoken (in words) to the prophets of the ages.

I felt the OM vibration in my body it goes like this:mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm this can turn to words, although I have'nt heard it as words.

Love,

Kriya

Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

Satan can play whatever you want it to play (violin, harp, piano, electric guitar...).

You can create anything in whatever image/form you like.

If you do not like "their" picture and "their ways"....create "your" picture and "your ways"

:)

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On a more positive note...take a look at this thread about angels: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZnhuOEUFXA

:original:Namaste:original:

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Indeed the more people want something the more real it is...it is never completed/finished....it is creating. Human animal is ever arrogant and demanding....never satisfied...always the need to be special...to feel special...

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I just saw 'Legion'. Has anyone else seen it? IMHO they took a good idea...and butchered it! I'm sorry...but I was disappointed. It could have been so much more. But maybe it's because of my religious background...and current theological and philosophical reflection. A lot of people would probably just groove to the gratuitous violence. I think a lot of the violent cr@p coming out of Hollywood is highly irresponsible. That goes for the stupid video games as well. The producers of this tripe should have to pay a violent crime victims compensation tax...because they are educating people to commit violent crime.

OK...back to the subject of 'Angels'. Why was Lucifer not included? Or did I miss that part when I went to the restroom? Gabriel was the 'good' angel...who gave God what he/she wanted. Michael was the 'rebel' angel who disobeyed God...but gave God what he/she needed. So...the good angel was bad...and the bad angel was good. Any questions? I've got one...who was the baby who Michael was protecting? Did I miss it? The Michael character should have been Lucifer...and the baby should have been the returning Christ...IMHO. Some say that Michael is Jesus...or at least most closely associated with Jesus. Lucifer is most often equated with Satan. This is what I used to think...but now I'm not so sure. I'm seeing Gabriel as being loyal to a God who was/is corrupt/insane...and as just following orders as an obedient archangel. I'm seeing Lucifer as opposing God and Gabriel...and possibly becoming corrupt/insane in the process. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. I'm seeing Michael as meaning well...and being very, very loving and kind...but lacking the power to effectively deal with the corruption and insanity of the others. And...I'm seeing 99.99% of the Human Race as being caught in the middle of a Galactic Mess...as Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden. I could be very wrong...and I would love to be corrected.

Why did God want to kill all of the people? The movie said that God was 'tired of the BS'. Well...I'm tired of the BS too...which is why I want this Solar System based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System. I want all of the Gods, Goddesses, and Archangels to retire. I want to skip Armageddon and the Apocalypse. Is that too much to ask?

:original:Namaste:original:

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LOL - How do You explain a Cosmology in a few sentences or paragraphs ?

Language is such a crude tool sometimes. At any rate - I will attempt to explain or display what Humans are dealing with here when We reference the "Beings" in the Title or the subject matter dealt with in the body of this Thread.

Let Me use a few anologies first if I may be allowed.

If We are given all of the Ingedients to a recipe but They are all jumbled up and/or the recipe for making It as a finished product is incorrect - We will have a messed up dish and it will likely be unpalatable.

We're given all of the pieces - They are just very jumbled up and given False meaning in some very crucial places. There is an Inner Doctrine that the Initiate is taught and theres the Outer Doctrine that the Profane is taught.

So when We talk about Issues such as the Urantia Book or the ArcAngelic or ArchAngelic as 777 likes to appropriately Term Them - We're basically looking at ;

1. A Book the UN (And secretly the Vatican as well) is pushing heavily as the Universal New Religion.

2. A Book that is about 70 percent true with 30 percent Polarity (Facts about Jesus and some other Crucial Info has been Polarized) placed into it to keep Mankind and other Races on other Worlds in a Hierarchy and under a Controller.

Whats fairly accurate in It ?

- Seven Superuniverses - All out of Phase with Each Other as Separate Constructs of the Mind of the Creator.
- A Central Superuniverse where the Prepersonal Energy of the Prime Creator Resides.
- A Prime Creator (Also called the First Source and Center of All Things in the Book which is another Truth) and all others under It being Co-creators as long as They view the Prime Creator as Sovereign.
- Co-creators being an Example of Co-ordinate Representation and a understanding in Heirarchy of the Forces of Polarity both Positive and Negative in Adminstration of It. From a Scientific perspective - Tranversals and Hyperversals...
- The Inclusion in this of a Referee type of representation VIA Christ Consciousness and Adminstrative Forces if You will in the Outer Creation guiding It through Divine Will.
- The display of at least 13 Dimensions (w/ Octaves) throughout the 4 Books.
- The Typing of the States of Being - Mortal, Midwayer, Morontial, Spirit and Source.
- An Ascension and Descension process so as to allow Sparks of Source to experience Potentiality and to gain enough experience to return to Source and become not.
- The description - In Matter - of what Evil is - What Sin is - And what Iniquity is. Understand. These terms are desciptions of behaviour. A Construct has a behaviour or manifestation. That manifestation or behaviour is then quantified by Names or designation. When We Drop the Baggage given something - We understand the Construct.
- the Spark in You as the Mystery Monitor/Though Adjustor which We Humans often externalize as a voice that never leads Us wrong and always advises Us correctly when We listen to It. That Spark of the Oversoul if You will...
- The explanation OF Free-will.
- etc.

These are ALL names or descriptors and names or descriptors change depending on the Observer - Constructs don't - They only expand or Birth into other Constructs.

Singularity begat Duality, Duality begat Trinity and Trinity begat Quantum or Angular Expression. All else has birthed itself in Matter from this Construct.

One could almost say that once the construct of Metaron's Cube or the Black Square became a Solid Construct in Matter - We've had these Archetypes operating both Knowingly and Unknowingly in this Reality and Others for as long as Matter has existed. The Polarized Angelic has also Birthed Itself from this, Positive and Negative as well as the Christ Conscious/Referee Angelic/Powers that Administer the Polarity Integration Game around the Polarized ones.

Simply put - They are Ideas/Constructs - Working Themselves out...

I will leave a clue like this - "Many Names - Many Faces - All Co-ordinates of Source - One Prime Source."

I will also give You a few names of the Shining One...

Lucifer, Mehabone, Jahbulon or Jabulon (There are many other names for It as there are for the Other 3 Cardinal Points (Ooops) Er I mean Arc Angles - Er ArchAngels I mean)

:wink2:

The question from there is simple - Heirarchy or Source ?

If there is a desire for Me to go on and display further I will, otherwise I will Observe the Law of Confusion for now until - Or If - Asked to observe the Law of Allowance later.

The above stated - We must always be careful that We do not throw out the Baby with the Bathwater. That after all is Their intention...

:winksmiley02:

Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

ortho,

If you did not see this video, it explains a bit about Lucifer & Archangels. It's quite long almost 2 hrs. Hope this helps :original:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0487918013901#

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Thank-you truthseekerdan. I just finished listening to it...but I was pretty tired...so I'll have to listen to it again. Some red flags went up when I heard that we are going to be 'Gods of our own Universes'. Was I hallucinating...or is this what he actually said? I just take everything as being possible...rather than accepting things. I'm naturally quite gullible (I think the Devil told me that in the basement of a church when I was just a boy - and I'm not kidding)...and I've been burned too many times.

:original:Namaste:original:

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I believe any of us can become a co-creator with the Creator. Remember, He works thru His creation since He's omnipresent and we're All One.

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My understandings:

Lucifer is a fallen angel who fell because he was prideful enough to believe he knew better than God's plan for creation. Specifically, he did not believe God should have given humanity and creation Free Will. When he fell, he became part of the team working to 'prove God wrong' by trying to destroy God's plan for creation.

God's plan for creation is that all Life eventually awakens to it's own divinity and that Sons and Daughters of God (human beings) awaken to their divine heritage and continuously Ascend into the Light in the schoolrooms of infinity.

Lucifer is part of the plan to continue to live off of the light of humanity while pushing them in the downward spiral of separation until they have no more light to give.

Lucifer has already been taken to the court of sacred fire and went to his second death. He is no more. However, there are many many many many fallen beings much like the fallen Angel Lucifer was. The false hierarchy and dark forces is not run by one or two guys or gals. The false hierarchy is very very large. As it states in Revelations, 1/3 of the stars from heaven fell...

That being said it is cosmic clean up time and the dark ones who have deceived the children of God for so long are being taken up for judgment. Judgment is simply an opportunity to bend the knee surrender the darkness and work towards paying back the karma created. The other option is to jump into the sacred fire and be purified so the dark persona they create is no more and they start out their evolutions as a virgin pure soul having to do the whole thing over again from scratch with no memory or momentum's. It is their choice. Lucifer chose the second death. He is no more. (not to say another dark one wouldn't have taken up his name, not a good idea to be working with that name at all).

Archangel Michael is the Archangel of God Power and he is humanities protector. His twin flame is Archeia Faith. He is a grand cosmic Being who's Presence goes throughout the entire Milky Way on all planets here. As it states in Revelations and Enoch etc. Archangel Michael is the captain of the Lord's Hosts and it is he who is in charge of keeping the Children of God (humanity) protected within the laws of free will. He was also the One who removed the darkest ones from the spiritual realm when that needed to be done a very long time ago (the ol' war in heaven story).

Heaven is Oneness. Hell is separation. The forces of separation, by their own free will, chose to identify themselves with the opposites of God, the mirrors of God, such as: Hate, Jealousy, Betrayal, Greed, Gluttony, Lust, Death etc. This is all free will, and they can turn around any time and the infinite let's them back in the kingdom as long as they work towards balancing their karma.

The reality is that God is not at war with dark forces, because there is nothing outside of God. Dark forces believe they are at war with God, but it is impossible. God is all there IS. The infinite could of course instantly erase dark forces, but the infinite is love, and creates this game where we all have free will. The Goal is for the children of God to grow up and Be like their Father Mother ~ Be the Co-creators in infinity. To add to the infinity that God IS.

Archangel Gabriel is the Archangel of Purity. His twin flame is Hope. Purity is Ascension's Ray because humanity fell on the initiation of Purity many years ago. We must now "Ascend" back to the level of consciousness we came from, therefore, Gabriel is the Angel of Ascension.

Any ET's claiming to be the angels or working with these angels and trying to appear here is simply deception. The Ascended Hosts and the Archangels are working to help man pass their tests here in Schoolroom Earth which involve mankind taking back their own power by connecting to the Divine within them, their own I AM Presence, to bring forth the solutions that are required at this time.

We will raise up our own planet, fix our own bed here, and then we will be a shining star in God's creation rather than a slave race on a dark planet.

The last will be first and the first will be last. This seemingly dense planet will Be a shining bright star that will help teach and lead the way for many of the fallen planets and beings in this galaxy. We are One. We are love. We are the Children of God. We need nothing outside of ourselves to fix our planet. The Ascended Hosts and the Archangels like Gabriel and Michael work within us when we empower them, and in Oneness with them, and our own I AM Presence, we bring protection and love to our planet.

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So...Lucifer has ceased to exist? Was this Lucifer's choice? Are the wages of disagreement...eternal death? Is the Immortality of the Soul conditional? Can our souls cease to exist? Are Michael and Gabriel without fault or blemish...and will they help us miserable reprobates find peace living under a theocracy...wherein the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights will be null and void? Were the atrocities in the Old Testament justified...and completely defensible? Are the atrocities prophecied in the Book of Revelation justifiable...and completely defensible? Does Absolute Power Not Corrupt Absolutely? Also...in the original War in Heaven...33.33% of the angels joined Lucifer in rebellion against God (and Theocracy?)...but how many of the remaining 66.67% of the angels were fence-riders or were secretly in agreement with Lucifer? IMHO...the first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. But what do I know? I'm just a Prisoner of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden. Even if I did know...I couldn't do a damn thing about it. In the Final Judgment...it is my hope that it will be clearly seen...that I did not give God what he or she wanted...but that I gave God what he or she needed. I tend to think that somehow God lost touch...and that others began playing God...and used God's good name in vain. That would be a sin...wouldn't it?

:original:Namaste:original:

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The God outside of us that requires worship is a creation of man. It is certainly on the side of Lucifer and has nothing whatsoever to do with the only God there truly IS which is consciousness and is inside not outside. You are an individualization of the One.

For many millions / billions of years, in many levels of creations, free willed beings have chosen to steal the light from others and attempt to stop creation in it's tracks. I understand there is a big oh but poor old lucifer, he didn't want to 'worship the Church God, the god I've created in my head as some moron in the sky who requires worship". That's not god, that's a mental creation.

What the Luciferian hierarchy is truly working towards is to stop you from remembering who you are. They hate you because they know who you really are: An individualization of God. They believe making you suffer and ultimately lose your soul would be revenge for their own shortcomings because it is making God suffer. They want nothing more than you to completely use up all your light on negative things until you have no more soul to give.

They fell not because they didn't want to worship the infinite, who requires ZERO worship, rather because they didn't believe creation should have free will because they wanted to force it to ascend rather than let it make mistakes. They didn't want to let creation make mistakes because they felt that if creation made mistakes it would hold them back from coming up higher, so they wanted to force creation to do what they thought was the right thing. Then they fell, then they rebelled, their ultimate goal: to completely destroy creation so they can prove themselves right that creation should not have been given free will.

The entire fascist, mind controlled, rules focused religions etc. is all lies. It all comes from this same fallen consciousness of trying to take away freedom, of not trusting the holy spirit in each person to guide towards what's right. Freedom is Godly, mind controlled theocracies are dark force creations.

God wants a theocracy? I tell you right here and Now, the Divine brought forth the constitution of the United States. Saint Germain brought it forth through his students such as George Washington.

God wants people to take back their own power by connecting to the Divine spark in themselves and remembering who they are.

The God that requires worship is the Lucifer consciousness. It is the anti-christ consciousness.

It is too bad that after all of this truth seeking, our graven images of some false god in the sky angry and requiring worship is the best thing we can come up with... when the Divine is waiting inside of us here and Now to hear our own higher voice ~ the only God there IS, whom our own I AM Presence is an individualization of.

P.S. God's name is "I AM". To use God's name in vain means to say "I AM not great, I AM a nobody, I AM no good..." That's using God's name in vain because when we do so, we affirm our seperation from the infinite, we affirm that we are not one with the Father Mother within. We create a masks, an ego that is no good and therefore we force ourselves away from the divine flow of things that happen in Oneness with our source.

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Are we sure that the God who requires worship, praise, and sacrifice is not a Reptilian? I'm suspecting an ancient war where we got our heads handed to us by the Reps...and now they theocratically rule us. Unfortunately...they may be ruling us in the same way they rule themselves...and this doesn't really work. I agree that the Divinity Within Humanity should be reverenced. I'm not God...but the Epitome of the Human Collective Unconscious is Divine. Unfortunately...the Nadir of the Human Collective Unconscious is Demonic. The Battle Rages.

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I think that archangels are real omnipresent beings and emanate from parallel universes. Not to be confused with parallel dimensions or timelines. Universes that have higher base frequencies than this one. They are truly multiversal.

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They are the first family of waveform to emanate from source. Human templates, creators of "matter", fire of spirit with genuine love to overthrow the old Ancients rustic in their "no involvement" passive to spark stance.. We are them and they are us. Its time to swallow your tail and understand.

Be Well...

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For argument sake, lets say that these archangels and angles are agents of God. From what I gather, humans are the ones who have free will whilst the archangels and angels carry out the will of god and have no free will. Therefore, if free will does not compute with these angels, then how could they possibly revolt against god? Also if heaven is of divine light frequency then how could the so called wars (heavier energies) in heaven be possible? Also, why would god even allow such a thing to happen – unless he is schizophrenic?

I agree, how could something that claims to be perfect, create such imperfect beings and why would this being need to have anything following him unconditionally, without question, then create beings with free will with the minds of curious children and expect them not to disobey, you can not expect a child not to touch the hot coffee cup even tho there are toys around, eventually they will get curious enough and sculled them self, but we as good parents can not see our selves to lock the kids in the basement, till there death, but this all so called knowing being (didn't know they bit the apple?) can keep us out of the garden? Oh I have a whole lot to say about the book of genesis, as a so called holy story from a so called holy book,

Even as a kid these stories never made sense to me..
I see it as a different type of story.

Any who I find this thread very interesting indeed, and i love how some of us are trying to make this work out, I love curiosity discussions.

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:blink: :no:

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Thank-you all for your comments.

God and the Archangels might have been quite disfunctional. God and the Archangels might still be quite disfunctional. I mean no irreverence or disrespect...but the Universe may be stranger than we think...or can think. We might all need a helluva lot of therapy.

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Are the Draconian Reptilians mostly invisible (to Human eyes) and Interdimensional? Are the Annunaki Reptilians mostly visible (to Human eyes) and Physical? In a sense...do the Annunaki mediate between God (Draconian Reptilians) and Humanity? Is it the Dracs who really hate us? Are the Annunaki more neutral regarding Humanity? I just finished re-watching the Camelot/Dean interview...and I highly recommend it. I like Bob a lot. However...I keep thinking that there is such a thing as 'Original Sin'(Bob thinks not)...and that it had something to do with what caused the War in Heaven...and is the reason why the Dracs seem to hate us. Could Gabriel be a Draconian Reptilian? Could Lucifer be an Annunaki Reptilian? Could Michael be a Human Being? Are Lucifer and Michael keeping us alive and relatively free? Is Gabriel the equivalent of both God and Satan? Is Gabriel blindly and stubbornly carrying out the orders of an Ancient God who somehow lost touch...and began issuing improper orders? Did Lucifer and Michael choose to disobey these orders? I don't think I'm getting this right...but I'm trying to think...and I'm trying to get you to think. If one of the elites spelled it out to us...and told us the absolute truth...I really and truly don't think we would believe them. They would literally be casting their pearls before the swine...of which I am one. I think we have a 'Disclosure Expectation' where we think we know it all...and are just waiting for the damned PTB to officially and publicly tell us what we smart people already know...'cause we're smarter than the average bear...so to speak. I think Disclosure may be very, very sad and disillusioning. I keep passively trying to figure things out...but I'm afraid of what I will ultimately find. Then they'll probably have to take me away. Hey! Hey!

:shocked:Namaste:shocked:

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I was not going to get involved in this one but a synchronicity just happened :O

The Voyagers II fall to the floor and opened in p384

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...When it became clear in June 1998 that the SAC would commence in 2000, the Pleiadian-Samjase-Luciferian, Nibiruian-Enlil-Odedicron, Thoth-Enki-Zephelium and Galactic Federation Annunaki collectives immediately defected from the Pleiadian-Sirian Agreements.... (meaning that they let us down)

(further down)

... As the Annunaki Greeting Teams advanced in the New Age movement, many Annunaki legions that had remained loyal to the 1992 Pleiadian-Sirian-Agreements finally, defected.......Numerous popular "Energy/Spiritual Healing Systems were infiltrated and progresively used to orchestrate astral Tagging in the New Age population. Meanwhile many un-awakened Indigo Children and Humans became infiltrated with Annunaki implantation, possession and "pseudo spiritual" indoctrination, and the "Michael Matrix" (Aka Archangel Michael and co.)Zeta-Rigelian and Dracos stepped their own interest in the "Body-Snatching game".

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Having myself suffered from astral tagging I will run a mile from all these archangels

Love

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Thank-you Stardustaquarion. I think it's interesting that you listed three power groups + the Galactic Federation. I keep hypothesizing about three major factions in this Solar System. (Zionist, Teutonic Zionist, and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom) I'm not very trusting these days. This is probably why I'm so interested in the possibilities of Collective Human Sovereignty (all people - rather than a dictator) in this Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...ymoron+threads We may have to show the Gods and Goddesses the way on this one. How do we get the Dracs (and Gabriel?) to like us? Should we even care or try? What is at the very core of the Human/Reptilian controversy? I'm thinking that it's got to be really, really bad...and that 95% of the old and new religions and philosophies are not correct or complete. There's got to be a critical missing link to this whole thing. Are Anna Hayes and Alex Collier getting warm regarding Universal History? I think they know a lot more than they are telling us...or can tell us. When I start reading between the lines...I start getting scared. The major players and elites may have too much negative baggage to think clearly regarding Solar System Governance and Human Sovereignty. Power to the Peons!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw4d_...eature=related

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Anna Hayes, or Ashayana Deane, have no relationship with Alex Collier. I like both; the different is that Asha has come up front and spilled the beans already judging for the Summaries I and II in her website, links below, that explain in great detail the agendas, how we got here, who is who, what will happen in 2012 and what can we do about it. She got there about 70 pages between the two summaries that will blow your mind

Links http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Co..._summary_2.php

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Co..._summary_1.php

Love

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Thank-you for the links. I understand that Anna has no relationship with Alex...but they both have rather detailed versions of Universal and Earth history. Are these the definitive versions...or is there a more substantial and established version? I'd like to see the top 5 versions in parallel columns...for comparison purposes. I think everything is suspect. How do we absolutely establish the validity of anything? The ET's or entities can tell us 35% truth and 65% BS...give it a spin and a twist to suit their agenda...and we stupid mortals will bite into it...hook, line, sinker, and fishing boat. I'm really tired of the lies and manipulation. I want the GD truth...and I want it NOW. The answer, my friend, may be in the Vatican Library...or in an even more secure and off-limits repository of forbidden knowledge. 'Keep the pathetic peons apathetic, ignorant...and downright stupid...and we can rule the world (and the universe?) as long as we choose'. Isn't that right evil guys and gals? You've got things (and us) completely under control...don't you? You really don't want us to be able to use 100% of our brain capacities...100% of the time...with total reincarnational history recall...and complete access to all of the forbidden knowledge of the universe. (which could very possibly be OUR ancient technology and wisdom) That can NEVER, EVER happen...can it? I have zero confidence in the custodians of life, the universe, and everything. I'm sorry...but I'm very angry. On the other hand...did having all of the above result in HUGE problems...culminating in the War in Heaven...and subsequent confiscation of technology...and the severe and drastic dumbing-down of the Human Race? I just want to know what really and truly happened...how much trouble we're in...and what, if anything, can be done about it. I feel like a GD lab-rat being experimented upon by some GD mad-scientist. That, in fact, might be pretty close to the truth. The horror. I can just imagine sitting in a boardroom...with ET Humans, Reptilians, and Greys...deep beneath the Dark Side of the Moon...being told the REAL story...in excruciating detail. What I keep hearing...doesn't seem to have the ring of truth. There are bits and pieces which I have latched onto...which I think are very possibly close to the truth...but it's still a disjointed and composite picture. I think I'll know it when I hear the real deal. But at that point...I might want to forget the whole damn thing. But then it will be too late. I may know way too much for my own, or anybody's, good. Perhaps we are better off barefoot and stupid. I'm going to watch Ferraris and beautiful women for awhile...and let someone else thrash around with this mess. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI57X03AtyA 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAPSO...eature=related I always want things I can't have...and which wouldn't make me happy anyway! By the way...has anyone seen 'Legion'? I don't recommend seeing it. Weak plot...and too much violence. But I'd like to hear what other people think about it. I'd like to see a very high budget four-hour movie...depicting the accurate story of Universal and Earth History.
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I understand how you feel, I felt exactly the same when I came across the Anna Hayes/Ashayana Deane material. A lot I could compare to some archeologic records which are from friends that studied with me so they are not really public. But there is information out there in videos and books that supports the material in the Voyagers and as for what is going to happen in 2012 I feel she is right. No other has come up with a plausible explanation of the intentions of the Illuminati and their ET friends, seeking power when you alredy have it does not seem to make sense to me. The system the Illuminati have used in the planet for thousands of years worked for them. They have managed to keep humanity under their thumbs so why change it?

There has to be somethings that it is bigger and more deep and there is where I think Hidden Hand is right so you put the two together and even if only is part of the truth, it is a starting point that takes you further in the quest.

I have no doubts that as the to diffrent illuminati factions fight each other more will be revealed that supports the material given to us by the Guardian Alliance

Love

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Well, I have been researching the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Codices for more than 30 years now; and, some 20 years ago, there was, briefly, the very slightest chance that some of that information would finally be released to the public. Instead, the Truth in the Dead Sea Scrolls was re-buried by the religious 'authorities' (the Truth in the Nag Hammadi Codices was ignored from the very beginning) and a complicit media because of the threat that it would constitute to Judaeo-Christianity-Islamism, Inc.

That Truth has to do with Jesus having taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth' in opposition to the Sadducees, the Pharisees and Paul; evidence of which is found in the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls (1QH); and significantly more evidence for which is found in the Nag Hammadi Codices; especially, the Treatise On Resurrection.

A "secure and off-limits repository of forbidden knowledge" is not really needed.

All that is really needed is for the media to be paid enough by the religious 'authorities' to prevent the publication/publicizing of such "forbidden knowledge".

Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

My friend, here is some trusted information for you.

Anyone that calls itself an archangel is not to be trusted. We all have portions of ourselves stationed in Dimensions 7-9, which is archangelic consciousness...therefore, the only archangels we can trust are those that are "us" stationed at that level of dimensionality.

St. G(ermain) is part of the Great White Brotherhood, which is aligned with the FA. Anything that calls himself archangel Melchizedek or ascended master Melchizedek is also FA, part of the alpha-Omega fallen order of Melchizedek. The Krystic Melchizedeks are the Emerald Order ones which have held the ascension codes undistorted since the beginning of Time. Melchizedek is actually the sound tones of the God Seed from which the Indigos came.

And Metatron is a collective from the Black Hole determined to take us all down into the Fallen Matrices so that our quantum can be used to fuel their anti-krystic universe.

What sources can you trust? I'd say the Freedom Teachings have proven to be true. They empower you...whereas other teachings based on "Ascended Master" and the 7 Archangels teach you to put your power otside of yourself. In the files and in the back of the A&R Handbook are what we call Questions for Discernment. These should help you in deciding whether a teacher or teaching is out to empower or disempower you. Most of the FA teachings will attract you with 80% truth, which will resonate with you...and then they'll get you with the 20% untruth...which you assume to be true because the 80% truth resonates with you.

Bottom Line: Your God-Self, the Inner Krystos is the only Source you should be aligning with. We will ALWAYS tell you to go vertical for your own truth...not horizontal to someone else's truth.
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Thank you 4Q529 for sharing your knowledge, and also clarifying a few things!
Please feel free to share more on this thread. :thumb_yello:

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orthodoxymoron

I have heard that Erick Von Daniken has released a book "History is Wrong"?????:lmfao:

Haven't read it yet, but talking about synchronicities :O

Love

Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

Thank-you for all of your great comments. Truth and Error are intermingled. Deception is Rampant. Having said that...I am now beginning a journey through the entire abraxasinas thread. I feel a bit like Jesus (if that is possible) when he went into the desert for 40 days to be tested and tempted by the Devil. (it probably will take me 40 days to get through it) I hope I don't grow horns, scales, and a tail...although I don't necessarily have anything against those who have those characteristics.

:sneaky2:Namaste:sneaky2:

Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

Well, with specific regards to the title of this thread, I would suggest that "Lucifer" is equivalent to the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'--that is, the 'fallen' consciousness; while the term "Mi cha el" represents the "observing consciousness" Created 'by and in the image of God' (Genesis 1:27); represented by the "rider on the white horse" in the Revelation of John.

Similarly, the "serpent" of Genesis 3 and the "dragon" of Revelations 12 symbolize the 'movement' of self-reflection, which is the origin of the duality and the 'fallen' consciousness; the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" and the "beast of the sea" represent the consciousness of the "self"; and the 'fig leaves' and the "beast of the earth" represent the consciousness and the thoughts of the 'thinker'. (This is implied in Saying #37 in the Gospel of Thomas.)

Thus, the warfare between "Mi cha el and the dragon" is a warfare at the level of consciousness between the "observing consciousness" and the 'movement' of self-reflection, which is the origin of the duality and the 'fallen' consciousness consisting of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Re: Who Are Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
 

4Q529 ~ Nice insights, I appreciate. I agree that Lucifer represents from an esoteric viewpoint the fallen consciousness, the duality consciousness, the identification with thoughts and Michael can represent Oneness reality ~ Being fully present eternally Now.

For me, I agree with your interpretations, I suggest that the "fall into duality" is not so much self reflection, as it is acceptance of the illusions that self is separate from the whole. Reflecting on the illusions of separation and coming to accept them as beliefs, to me this is the cause of the fall.

Self awareness is reality. However, it is also True that we are all One, we all are emanations from the Source of Beingness.

Our Divine State of Being is knowing, seeing clearly that we are One, yet still remaining I AM, individualization's of the One. Only when we act from our own illusions of separation do we create ego, do we block the flow of the Divine through our Beingness.

The observer is Self aware, it just sees that while it is unique, it is part of All that IS, it is not separate from it. Oneness is reality, but Oneness is not sameness. Rather it is infinite diversity co-creating eternally Now.

~ Espavo ~

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Nothing wrong with thinking. However, being identified with thoughts is the problem. Thinking we are the thinker, that's the ego, that's the suffering, that's the limitation.

Being in the Now ~ Zero point Energy ~ where all things are possible ~ is I believe the Way ~

Just BE

I would say personally: That's enlightenment ;)

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This is a crucial issue: the realization that there is a 'movement' of self-reflection, or a pirouette of consciousness which is prior to all thought and image; but, at the same time, the origin of that image. I am not talking here about reflecting upon an image or reflecting upon a thought. What I am talking about is the movement that creates the duality in the first place.

A crucial error.

Reality is what exists prior to the 'movement' of self-reflection; prior to the duality. Prior to the 'movement' of self-reflection there is neither space (division and duality) nor time (thought).

To say "we" are "one" is to destroy the very meaning of language, which is a quite serious error. Ultimately, every act of violence is based upon the destruction of the very meaning of language.

Prior to the 'movement' of self-reflection there is no "I", no "you", no "we" and no "they".

That is the state of unity; but "we" cannot be that unity because each of us self-reflects into an "I".

The words "I am" indicate self-reflection; and, hence, duality; the purpose of which is to maintain through thought the temporal continuity of the dualistic "self".


The "observing consciousness" is consumed in the very act of observation, leaving only the knowledge itself.