Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Quote:

Great just what we need, people like WS and all his cronies coming back. If you can't follow the rules then you can't post here. It's that simple. End of the argument.

A clear & ferm statement, Joe2288. Unfortunately it hasn't got anything to do with the topic of this thread, but thanx anyway.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Everyone has given such wonderful feedback on this issue already but there is one aspect I would like to add.

I believe the high level of energy/frequency of the Avalon forum is such that people of a lower vibration will not feel comfortable being here very long.

I feel this past year we have really come into our own as a recognizable group of individuals who help maintain this high standard, it has become our modus operandi in who we say we are.

I also feel we will continue attracting like-minds and high vibration as we grow and evolve with the planet

Happy New Year to all!

Truth

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Thats a great observation. I have noticed the same thing, just never

expressed it in words. I think there are some amazing minds that contribute

here on a regular basis, and i have also noticed this sites changed

vibrationally, since I arrived in October 2008.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

FINALY...thanks for bringing this issue up here.

I tried to "tell" this to some of the banned members here...that this forum has it's own, natural rules...which is exactly the high level of energy/frequency of many members posting here.

But hey, who wants to listen, he will hear. Who wants to feel, he will expirience...simple as that.

regards
malletzky

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Please read into the Monty P bullhorn:

The Place: The biweekly Wembley Bird Watchers Club meeting

The scene: Paul and Ruppert enter the auditorium and take a seat on both sides of an empty chair with a small folded piece of cardboard on the seat

Paul: “Where do you suppose Bob is??” (both peer at the empty chair between them)

Ruppert: “Not sure...He is notoriously on time.”

Paul:Wait....what's that little plaque on his seat??

Ruppert picks it up ...”It says "BANNED"

Paul: “Banned??? But Bob was our expert on the reverse billed Yellow footed Woodpecker!!???”

Paul: Ruppert did you know anything about this?

Ruppert: “No...but you know Bob had some radical views of the mating habits of the Shovel Billed Tutu.”

Enter Bob with a name tag that reads "Wendel"

Paul: “Bob ...Great to see you mate...Says here you were Banned”

Bob: Umm..I'm not Bob....I'm Wendel

Ruppert: Mate...”We know you are Bob.”


Club Director Enters

Dir: “Right....I'd like to call this meeting...Oh here..I see we have a new member...Welcome Wendel!!”

Dir: “Now onto the business of our continuing documentation of the reverse billed Yellow footed Woodpecker”

Dir: “Who has the meeting notes from the last meeting??”

Ruppert raises hand and looks at “Wendel\Bob”…”Sir… Bob has those notes.”

Dir: “Well lads…Bob has been banned but that shall not be talked about in the open.”

“Let’s just say we won’t be seeing him around for a while.”

Both Ruppert and Paul BOTH look at Wendel\Bob

Paul and Ruppert together: “But Bob knew everything we need for this meeting…Can’t we ask him back?”

Dir: “We shall not talk about this in the open and his name shall be stricken from the Wembley Club field watchers guide…I shall no longer speak of that which shall not be spoken of.”

Right…Meeting adjourned!!

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

As hilarious as that looks and sounds (with music playing in the background) that is pretty much the picture I get when thinking about making the list and reasons for being banned a public spectacle.

As I look over the banned log and I reflect on other posts about the increasing freqency of the group of people here at Avalon I must ...

Put On Moderator Hat

And say I nix this idea of a public list.

Please just rest assured that the moderators are making balanced and fair decisions. For every action we take, we ask for a vote from the other moderators that are present or pop online in the next few hours. I know the not knowing why is an irritant ...

Our society puts up Walls of Honor to publicly honor those deeds we deem honorable. Do we also put up Walls of Shame in public places? (I suppose we might have a few) When you get fired from a job, does the boss put up a sign outlining your transgressions? I recently pulled an animal card from the deck - Lynx - the keeper of the secrets. Can there actually be good reasons to keep secrets, such as to minimize public humiliation?

I understand this movement towards transparency ... and the call for an end of keeping secrets ... but like a alternative cancer doctor friend of mine says about all alternative treatments - all treatments cut both ways. You can do a therapy that will kill the primary tumor - but cause the metastasis to go wild.

So don't forget to look at the other side of that transparency knife.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

The banning is completely necessary and should continue as is. In the past on these forums there where not penalties for threatening other members. There are actually still two members on here that threatened me in the past openly on the forums. Because at the time the moderators hands where tied, these two members are still active on here. They now pretend to be nice, but I know a wolf in sheep's clothing when I see them.

If you have a giant room full of adults and children and the children are acting up, then someone has to do something about it. Some of these posts that get people banned are offensive and lower the over all frequency of the forum. For this reason they should stay gone forever.

Good job mods on keeping the order this time around. Those of you who where not around the last time the forum was not subscription have no idea how bad it got. There where entire groups of people in the spirituality forums posting up pro-luciferian propaganda and intimidating everyone. The mods can not wait for the snow ball to build into an avalanche, they are doing just fine. We need to stop coming up with suggestions that increase the work load on the already thin mod staff.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Quote:

Our society puts up Walls of Honor to publicly honor those deeds we deem honorable. Do we also put up Walls of Shame in public places? (I suppose we might have a few) When you get fired from a job, does the boss put up a sign outlining your transgressions? I recently pulled an animal card from the deck - Lynx - the keeper of the secrets. Can there actually be good reasons to keep secrets, such as to minimize public humiliation?

That's a good point Karen. Although, on the other side, as long as somebody's personalia is hidden behind an Avatar, the person(s) in question is/are anonimous anyway.

Quote:

Please just rest assured that the moderators are making balanced and fair decisions. For every action we take, we ask for a vote from the other moderators that are present or pop online in the next few hours. I know the not knowing why is an irritant ...

There's no doubt - at least, not by me - that the moderator's decision ain't fair & balanced.
It's the not knowing why.
That - & only that - was the reason to start this thread in the first place.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

After reading Trancoso's last reply, I believe his point is valid. Therefore I suggest if a post is flagged for violating one of the forum rules then the following should happen:

1. A mod should step in and edit the post by stating it violates a forum rule and state which one.


2. Then add ,if this is not retracted in 6 hours , your account will be banned for 24hrs


3. Finally notify the affected account owner by e-mail of your action.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

I started visiting this site again ever since I saw on the "Project Camelot" website that it was free again, and as expected it still is just like I remembered it.

The moderators of this site are notorious for censoring what they personally dislike in order to further whatever agenda. Think of "Project Avalan" as their personal playground where if you don't do exactly as they say, you will get banned.

Now let's give names, I am referring especifically to Anchor and Humble Janitor (?). Not sure if this is by design or not, but this is the reality.

I used to be a user from back from the beginning of this forum, not participating much, only reading. After some time, before it became paid, I started posting because of the quantity of non-sense I started reading here. The non-sense included:

- David Wilcock claiming that he saw "orbs of light" around Obama and he was "the one" (David Wilcock is hilarious, haha);
- Lots mystical people claiming that Obama had a divine mission, was an "inidigo child", a savior, etc;
- Some claimed that Obama was the reincarnation of Lincoln;

This is just a few of aburds we used to read on this forum in a daily basis. As usual other users and I got irritated with the "Obama worshipping" and irrationality and started posting on those threads questioning the people saying those things.

The result is some got banned.

This is how it works, say something against the NWO and get banned. You can check the exact threads by doing a search by user. Search for the user "anticomuna" and you will see what I am referring to.

Some people may have good intentions, but this forum is in the best of the cases a ghetto for mystical quacks with a socialist inclination, or in the worst case completely controlled by NWO agents.

While you are at it, also do a search for "Worms of Darkness" and see a perfect example of another case of someone posting non-sense, but a non-sense the moderators agreed with. The user who used the "term" Worms of Darknes would attack personally everyone who disagreed with him. A behavior that is really negative.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Hi NeedForSpeed. I'm a new moderator here so I can't say about the past. Over the last month I have observed the moderators here and in particular, anchor act with reserve and kindness. On many forums, one complaint against the mods and you are banned forever. Clearly not here. If I saw the moderators acting here as you presented, I would not be a moderator for long.

So hopefully, the past is behind us.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Wow NWO Wild
hmm I'm very sorry but I find that hard to believe. I find NWO people are
"well-dressed globalists" and have lots of money.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

need for speed, anchor has done a super job of moderating, he has continued to be fair and without personal judgment, most of us here only have the highest regard for him
blessings to you
m x

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

NeedForSpeed:

There are only a small number of people who were disruptive enough to get banned so far - approximately less than 0.6% of the registered user base - 6 in 1000 over two years. It is also worth pointing out that there are many anti-obama and pro-obama posts/threads. The people making these comments within the context of the forum guidelines are not being banned.

If what you say was true, there would be many more banned people.

I accept/admit and do not deny that I have pro-obama views, but these days I choose not to express them in debate on this forum. We moderators do have an agenda - it is to try to keep this forum operating in accordance with the agreed forum guidelines.

If you see anticomuna - and from what I see that is quite within the bounds of possibility - please tell him I am sorry that it went down that way - but it was not about the views being expressed, it was about the continuous disruption to the forum.

A..

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

I just hope this forum doesnt end up like some I've been on for example.....

I was once a member on the paracast forum and got into an interesting debate about billy meier, basically the moderators of that forum were slagging off about Meier and I put forth some info that kinda shot down their argument. I did it the nicest manor and really wasnt there to argue as such.
Even though there was no fire or brimstone from anyone, I was banned purely because the info put forward shot down their debate.

I dont see the same thing here and hopefully it stays that way :)

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Just treat others with respect and you can express just about any opinion you want to here. Don't use name-calling and other personal attacks. If you haven't read the forum guidelines, check out the link below. We are not out to ban people who don't agree with us. We are all just volunteers, living in various places around the world. If all the moderators were asked 10 questions about their beliefs, I doubt you would see 2 of the 14 answer them all the same way.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Need for Speed....When you came here before or when you came back....Did you bring some truth to share or an ax to grind?

The truth...we would love to hear

The ax.....you can leave that on the porch

I have to say Anchor and I have not seen eye to eye on more than a few topics....but no one fairer you will find.

SG

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

That wasn't an opinion, it was a fact. All everybody here needs to do is to click on the search option on the top of the forum and search in order to see the moderators in action.

Disruption = say something that I disagree with

Well, claiming that Obama has orbs of light around him, like David Wilcock did, or that he is enlightened and has a divine mission is ok, but questioning those things is not. :roll1:

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Again...this is a lack of trust issue...IMO

i can see where you are coming from...

but i also understand the Moderators point of view.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

lol... I know how you feel. Back along I also had 2 out of my 6 friends banned... One was Izz... remember her anyone? Can't remember the other ! oops. But I remember thinking... I don't have a very good strike rate do I ?

I think she was unfairly goaded by other members and she reacted strongly. Some people are fiercely independent. Some of the bannings I've witnessed do seem to involve line crossing. (they must all involve one forum transgression or another) It is sad to see them go.. I didn't know Francie Jones particularly well, nor do I understand the circumstances of her leaving, nor do I want to dig that up. But it is shocking when people you feel an affinity for seem to fall foul of the rules.

In the end, the moderators are volunteers, and I'm pretty confident that the one's we have do an amazing and thankless almost unwinnable task.

So , though we are left to wonder at people's passing, perhaps its up to us, seeing as this forum was set up to foster communities, to get the details of the one's we love, then we can always contact them after.

K

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

This quote is from the thread:Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
This would fuel the need for a 'Banned' sector, where one can see who are why banned.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Great Idea..

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

I only saw Anchor and Gareth on when this happened and no mods.

It is my understanding when I was moderator that when a member is banned this is to be a collective decision. Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. So I also have a concern about the possibility of a few becoming overly controlling. I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

What I understand from other posts in that thread, some moderators weren't even informed the guy was gonna be banned!

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Kinsuemei2 was banned at the express request of Bill Ryan. I don't know any more than that at this time.

Carol is correct, this is not how things are done usually. I will follow this up.

A..

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Just saw your post after I submitted my reply, Carol.
Anyway, it means that someone can be banned because it suits 1 moderator.
:thumbdown:

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

You cannot see all the moderators who are online.

I choose to remain visible, not all moderators do.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

OMG FrancieJones was banned too..............This is crazy

She was a strong headed person that had some very good views even if we always didnt agree. So we really do have someone playing God on this forum and it is rather SAD

Freedom is not about shutting someone down that disagrees with your views.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Folks need to understand that both Kerry and Bill can ban any member and the Admins will follow through on this. There is no discussion or consensus.

Anchor, I truly appreciate your identifying what happened. I know David Wilcox is a friend of B&K but would not think Bill would want Kinsuemei2 banned because of his opinion regarding DW. However, Bill really does not like bad language on the forum. Could this be the reason for his decision?

And is this just a time out or permanent?

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

A 'Banned Section' would also have an 'example function'.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Hi, Everyone:

Sorry to have to do this. It was my call, and I take full responsibility.

Kinsuemei2 was also masquerading as "Heather Anderson" who was a non-existent person. Kinsuemei and "Heather" had both e-mailed Camelot with literally near-unbelievable stories written in a very similar style. There were all kinds of problems with the information.

Four days ago, Eleni was contacted by Kinsuemei stating that "Heather" had been killed in a traffic accident. All my red flags went up and I did an IP cross-check on the e-mails we had received at Camelot.

I should have done this earlier. It's a wrap, I'm afraid. The IP address on separate e-mails from Kinsuemei and from Heather was identical: 67.132.69.188.

[Image removed re: Bill Ryan request]

We found just now that it was also shared on the forum by Kinsuemei2, HeatherJJAnderson, Kane944, and KilaSolai.

I appreciated many of Kinsuemei's posts on the forum. But I have zero sympathy or tolerance for hoaxers. The real super-soldiers wasted time and energy examining "Heather's" story (Kudos to Duncan O'Finioan, btw: he decided right at the start that it was bogus). To post this kind of invention is a real slap in the face to the real-deal folk. I wrote to Kinsuemei that he does not deserve the time of day from any one of these very fine people.

So if anyone knowingly hoaxes information and it comes to my attention, it's a permanent ban. If I decide it's proved beyond any doubt, I'll make the call immediately and will take full responsibility. There's enough wild information circulating which makes the jobs of researchers much harder... having an internal saboteur does not help the world be a better place.

Expect criticism from Kinsuemei, by the way... please ignore it. We have to learn, and move on.

With best wishes to all, Bill

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

People are jumping to conclusions that are not true. On the other thread, I asked for people to wait for the gathering of more information.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

I don't know, and I don't want to speculate. I do know that it is being talked about right now but owing to my present circumstance, I can't join in.

I will therefore be patient.

A..


Update: Oh FFS! - :D - it looks like I spoke to soon :)

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Ok...but if there are NO moderators on..would it be appropriate that mods stay invisible?

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Cool action, Bill! Well done!
It amazes me time & again how mischievously weird some people are.

This is actually the perfect example of a 'banned-section' post.

Anyway, case closed. I'm gonna watch the Super Bowl.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

This isnt going to help, but I dont know anything about kinsuemei2. The only time I ever paid any attention to him/her was when kinsuemei2 volunteered to be a moderator.

I'm sure it doesnt need pointing out that kinsuemei2 ==> "f**king sue me too"

Which is interesting in the light of what has been seen.

A..

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

We had had a PM exchange going on months back when he shared he didn't think he would live the year out. Now I don't know what to think. Egg did a number on the forum too. I truly wonder who these people are behind their avatars.

Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned
 

Just..people.