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That was a long post Zeddo but as always I enjoyed reading it all.

Silence ...right very important to find the garden of the soul ..

Smile ...so true ..I remember about 10 years undergoing the darkness of the soul . I felt so depressed as my life was breaking to pieces..As I was walking down the street I crossed a girl that gave me the most beautifull smile I ever got . This felt like pure adrenalin ..a straight line to my heart that got instantly rekindled. I always remembered what that girl did for me and I pay it forward ever since .

and then we could add humor and laughter...that breaks apart the walls we are sometimes enclosing ourselves into ...start laughing and you'll soon see we are ONE


Love Always
mudra

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I am still smiling after watching that .....brilliant thanks Mudra !!!
:roll1:

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I am smiling and laughing with You Zeddo :roll1:

Love Always
mudra

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Hi, I'm new to this forum and already I am worried as It seems free speech and opinion and controversial discussion seem to be edited and policed here as in the so called "real world". #
wow

I am disappointed because in a world where media control and enforced social suggestion is the norm, we who feel "awake" or opposed to these evils should play the same game. Surely if someone's views which evoke controversy and ill feeling enough for these views to be expressed and then the result of which requires people to be "protected" then this may go someway to show the level of confused communication we are dealing with and its inbalance as a form of perceived and irefutable communication. (Again this is why we have develop an omnilogical understanding of crop circles, but i digress)

The irony seems to be lost on alot of you.
The term Karma seems to be misquoted, misused and invoked like a trump card without true consideration to its use, for if you truely understood Karma you again would understand the use of it in this context and its ironic and paradoxical implication.

Please, I need convincing that this forum is not another waste of time. There are too many of these forums with people petty squabling, mis-perceiveing and expounding control and views about a "written universe". We are explorers, there are no truths, nothing is true and everything is permitted. Allow people to express their views no matter the consequence. A heavy dose of cynacism and conjecture is needed, we have to test everything and open it up to debate otherwise we are the same as FOX news.

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Wise words, Karen :)

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silence is a product of gr8 duality

if you keep quiet, when you should talk
and, you withhold information from others
~ it could be considered a weapon

if you keep quiet,
when someone is bothering you
and/or you keep quiet,
when someone is fighting with you
and, you do NOT speak

~ that is where the phrase

"silence is golden" comes from

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Well said, Susan. Maybe the best way is to pause and see how speaking or not speaking fits with ones heart. And where do we want to add energy? Or not.

Love always,
Bushycat

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do we move forward

do we move back

or, do we stay in neutral ???

you know, those people, who we have crossed paths
that favour observing / and, think they are involved
are NOT really involved

a lot of people vicariously life their whole lives
through movies/and, through books
and, NEVER GET INVOLVED

WHERE ARE "THE LURKERS" ???

THE silent army of project avalon/and, project camelot

i wish some of them, would speak up

OTHERWISE, AS, MY GUIDE ONCE TOLD ME

if you hold your fingers/or your tongue ...

your fingers/and, your tongue, it will die a death

We sure would NOT want that to happen

so, it is necessary to eXert your WILL as YOUR WAY !!!

WE A LOT OF YOU ARE GOING - there isn't a path or a trail

WE BLAZE ONE !!!

(we discovered recently, its all got to be forward !!!)

however - there is always room for eXercising a choice !!!

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when we are done,.... or begining,.....we won't be transformed, judged or recreated because of what some one does or thinks. it will be based on our own actions and direction. to agree or disagree doesn't matter. it's who your being. much love always-OCTEEL

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Beautifully said, Octeel.


Love always,
Bushycat

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I could really and truly dine with Satan, Lucifer, Reptilians, Greys, Illuminati, Nazis, Zionists, et al...without being rude...or having it turn into a shouting match. I would probably tactfully promote Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...and I might get my head bit-off in the process...but it would be fun while it lasted! Then the Reps might order Oysters Rockefeller!

Just stick to the facts...and don't make nasty personal attacks. Think positively AND negatively...and then formulate a positive, solution-oriented, response. I call this Positive Response Ability...which dovetails with Constructive Competition.

When people get banned...could we at least have a virtual ritual excommunication like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlUS5-ag_g What do you do when you're banned...and you know you're a man?

:original:Namaste:original:

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Ah yes... The last words of Hassan i Sabbah, Old Man of the Mountain

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this could be all a make up to instill fear. Being the victim and the agressors part of the plot.

We can be as paranoids as we want here, isnt that correct?.

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Okay, I'll bite. I'm one of those LURKERS. I choose to read what is posted in an effort to learn something of value on my journey. I've been on Avalon since September 08. My account and a few others were deleted through some technical problems and even though it was reinstated, all of the posts, friends, stats, etc were lost. No problem, I was just glad to back with what I consider my Avalon family. The only reason I stated that is to say that I've been here for a long time and have seen many people who are looking for guidance, reaching out to those they trust, and they've been criticized and made to wish they'd never posed a question. People can be very rude and inconsiderate, and value their own opinions over that of others. When a thread is opened, if I disagree with someone and can say why in a nice way without intentionally offending or hurting feelings, I respond. That is how we learn opposing views, and if we're open minded enough, we just might learn something and change our former beliefs on any given subject. If I read a topic and have nothing to contribute that relates to what the subject is, I simply move on. I started out as a lurker because I felt that I had no knowledge to offer and wanted to learn everything that I could. I became a lurker again over the past few months, even to the point of not even visiting Avalon but every now and then, because I get so aggravated watching members push their own religious beliefs on others and criticizing abounds. There are enough people still asleep in the world, and we are supposed to draw together here. This is where we meet and discuss subjects with others who are aware of other truths. No matter how we disagree, we do not have the right to tear down another member in an effort to promote our personal values. We need to learn how to keep our fingers from doing the walking all over the keyboard if we cannot assist in a positive way to the thread. Restraint takes effort. Believe me, I could blast away if I allowed myself to be drawn into that. I choose to be here, and whether I lurk or share, it is my choice. I'm sure that when the other "lurkers" have something they want to say, we'll know it, and will welcome them aboard. I try to live by what my Papa taught me when I was a little girl. He always said that if you don't have anything nice to say to help someone, sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut. Nuf said.

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nameless: I am a senior member here at AV, and regretfully I can tell you that this forum lost a majority of contributors because it turned to a subscription format. I believe that it has become unbalanced and I absolutely agree with you in that "free speech, opinion and controversial discussion" have been suppressed here.

Time will tell if this forum becomes the forum it use to be many months ago.

Truth can only be found through exploration of ideas from many sides.

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Ignore them and move on. Some mean people are honestly not aware of the pain they’re causing to others and themselves. Be mindful not to feed into the negativity because what a person puts out they get back. Learn how not to put power into what others say. Once that power is removed you should have no problem dealing with the many personalities on this planet.
In other words…what they eat will not make you defecate.

Peace

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growing pains...you'll get over it. With practice it becomes easy. I have skin thicker than a basketball. :original:

There's too much beauty in the world to enjoy, don't waste time with energy drainers.

Peace

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haha, thanks, but i'm sure being you is cool enough. Just becareful where you give your power to...

Peace

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dearest

if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are

and, read that line

if you, were NOT who iT iS that you are

they would NOT try to hurt you

in fact, you would likely NOT get their heat/or get bothered

you get their heat ~ to spark you iNto action

only a spark, can spark another spark !!!

you are cream,
and, cream riSes above milk,

take their attacks & their comments against you,
as, THE GREAT COMPLIMENT
that iT iS

and, know that as a truth

MOST WHO TRY TO SLING THEIR MUD
are NOT worthy of slinging anything back at them,
lets face it, what purpose would be found,
in slinging mud at dirt ???:mfr_lol:

They would NOT come to attack you
NOR, talk 'ill' of you, behind your back,
and/or, do iT right out iN the open
unless, they were scared of you,
you were a threat,
or, they wanted to put our your spark !!!

The spirited, the truly spirited, will see, that as a truth !!!

So, you can only be one thing to them,
the mud / or dirt slingers,
and, that would be,
in a nutshell, a threat !!!

Funny thing ~ a 'real' light worker iS NOT a threat to anyone

They are NOT even a threat, to themselves

Awakening, iS quite a process

There iS NO real path, JK, taught us that

however, there is a trail to be blazed

be a trail blazer !!!

Go through a board, like you 'mean' buSineSS

and, do it, getting your iNSide SnakeS riSing !!!

Those who work hard, to divide a team,
are NOT lightworkers,
or, spiritual gurus,
they are simply NOT that

iT takes a very strong person ~ to NOT to fight back

to NOT feed their fires, and, just keep doing what you are doing

Silence is a great weapon ~ in FACT iT iS the most powerful one of all

THE SECRET iS WiTHiN ~ the trick is to let it out !!!

There will always be those, who try to separate teams

Remember TRY is NOT a DO !!!

(EVER had anyone tell you, they would try to make a party ???)

Did they ever turn up, put in a showing ???

Likely NOT !!!

We say, support everyone, who is doing their best

to wake people up, and, create awareness !!!

iT iS those people ~ who hold the 'real' spirit

LETS FACE iT !!!

iT iS NOT easy to try to be candle

however, iT is, and, has always been

through all time, ancient times, and, right NOW TYMES

Those CANDLES, brave enough,
to help with the LiGHTiNG OTHER CANDLES
that others try to blow out,
do NOT be a candle,that goes out in 'ill' wind

instead , be a candle,
that will propels others,
and, help them to ignite, and,
and, hep them to reunite
in ways, that brings out the 'real' spirit 'within"
and, sets people on 'fire'
and, pushes them into 'desire'

those people ~ they are the 'rare' ones

and, NO DOUBT, the rare, are oft times singled out !!!

celebrate your rareness, and, what iS unique about you !!!

The real spirit has always been here,
it started with Bill, and, it started with Kerrie,
and, their united/and, unified force/and, power as a vision,
and, look what occurred...

iT iS as alive and, as well,
or, at least,
as well, as, we, and,
all the rest of the people,
choose to come together,
and, make iT ~ all it CAN be !!!

yup-iT iS happening in this NOW

best thing to do ~ iS always be a 'good' eXpression
and, by doing so~ YOU will always be seen, to do 'good' work

THE MAIN REASON many came here at thiS TYME iS:

to do their best work

and, to do it in groups

and, to do it, in ways

~ the dark falls away,

and, EVERYTHiNG TURNS BRiGHT !!!

"To be rare, and, well_done at the same time
--is to express yourself, with integrity,
in the highest eXpression of truth, which is LOVE"


TRUTH is, always the highest eXpression of LOVE !!!

The other types of action, against us,
attacks, crude or snide comments,
fit into the lowest order !!!

Make a resolution,
to NOT accept/or be accepting of that type of stuff,
as, THE TRUTH !!! ~ because iT iS NOT

DiG DEEP and, DiSCOVER THE TRUTH
about your own stuffing !!!
and, then dish that out to the world
as. The eXchanger, that you really are !!!

iF we all did that
... what a world of eXchangerS iT would be !!!

Remember ~~ 'WiLL" is "THE WAY" !!!

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Some people are so much more sensitive than others. I'm not speaking about you, because I don't know you, but sometimes people are so sensitive that they become weak.

We can not know what happened to you or why on another forum. I do not understand why you would cry for weeks. My suggestion is that you try using several usernames on several forums, that will allow you to practice at your communication, and then you will be able to not be quite so sensitive about what you say. After all, it is only a forum.

Yes, it is good to avoid being mean, however, in a democracy where free speach is protected, people should be able to discuss all sides of issues.

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In this house (forum) all may speak their mind...but meanness is NOT aloud.

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I want to thank everyone in this forum for exhibiting self-restraint and tolerance with my "out-reality" threads and postings -- I am well aware the responses could have been a lot more antagonistic. These days I lean more towards "actuality" than agreed upon "reality", which is to me an altered state.

Thanks again for the good manners shown towards me. The only time I got hit back on a post was most usually when my own manners were lacking somehow. It is a skill and an art to argue a different viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with judiciously getting someone's blood pressure up if it is done with good intentions. I would probably thank someone for making me confront something, if done correctly. Best to do it before 10pm :lightsabre:

I am copying this portion of George Kavassilas' letter to an antagonistic person. I thought it a good way to keep one's own truths without having to attack the attacker:

"Thank you very much for facilitating an opportunity to respond to such a comment. I find comments like these inspiring and empowering. They also teach me how to respond honestly and firmly but with humility, compassion and Grace."

Link to whole letter

Gnosis

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Another policy I have is to either not respond or to pick up the part of their post that does not spell it all out for me and ask for more clarity.

Gnosis

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Good, I'm starting to do that more. Sometimes I get overly invested in my current viewpoint, but I upgrade my viewpoints so rapidly that I probably self-correct before anyone can take offense.

We are all going through a process here. Thank you moderators for being indulgent but firm.

Gnosis

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Hi Kathy,

Forgive me, I'm quite late catching on as I haven't fully read the thread.

My question is, and you seem to express a feeling of being suppressed, I'm just wondering what 'side' you are referring to, what side is not supposedly allowed to discuss things?

Peace

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Well if its any comfort, you're certainly not the only one, everyone and anyone whose been on forums.

In fact I too had such experiences, and I don't mean just 'normal disagreement', technically more like outright harassment.

The solution? is if it gets to the a point where debate is no longer an option, and if the person(s) you're discussing with cannot address your points in a respectful manner like adults, then simple, "conversation over".

Many people are more concerned with the thrill of posting negative messages rather than actually productive discussion. And so, its very easy to tell when one is not really interested in healthy debate, and best solution is ignore.

Cheers

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I think its up to the so called administrators to unfortunately "police" threads in the sense that posters should remain on topic. Name calling and direct rudeness is off topic so should be removed . A critique/break down and analysis of someones opinion which could possibly have a percieved "negative" connotation should remain if it is in context, pertinent and on topic. It's not up to admin to make moral judgements, rebuke or reinterpret opinion, it should purely be a mechanical "contextual topic" application.

Philosophy is the pleasure of argument/conversation.

We do so in the forum of words which allows us to maintain a dissasociation with the causality of the materiel, ie we are not physicaly fighting as a way of putting across idealogies.

sometimes namecalling and bad feeling communicated is an experience we all have shared perhaps in our past and sometimes lazily attributed to rites of passage or an initiatory step. Some of us have learnt from this and that we now end up with the conclusion that words can give us pleasure as well as pain but in all circumstances and wether good or bad are an invented control mechanism that we must control, lest it control us. Others have thus been lead to the conclusion that words are a disease of language thus was created such methods as "the cut up". Writing and words we all employ follow a structure or "rules of grammer" that we have all agreed to use, a common ground for us to play on. It is self policed purely because not to do so would mean an inability to communicate and would be self harming. Maybe we should allow people to express their inability the same way we allow people to express their so called "positive creativity". either way two sides of the same coin. If one is so easily effected by words in both a positive and negative context there is an inbalance, you become a wanton victim wallowing in the supressed love of self loathing, fear and may become mainpulated and hurt too easily and would be a person better suited to some other abstract medium such as maths, painting, or music.

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Let's cut to the chase here. A forum with total agreement on everything would not be very productive. The purpose is to post things and get points and counterpoints. Sometimes we get fired up when someone disagrees with our thinking. This should either make you feel stronger about your position or question it more.

Rudeness is another thing though. It is no different than having a face to face converstation. Just because a person is hiding behind a computer screen, doesn't give them the right to belittle another member.

The third point, and maybe the most important thing around here lately, is that are people, (or groups of people) that attack forums for the sole purpose of disrupting them and causing chaos. We have to recognize this when it is happening and do the appropriate actions. Hats off to the mods btw.

If you are not aware of what I am talking about you can click on the following link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smurf_attack

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I totally agree with micjer on all of his points.......and the third point has to be looked at .
We must never stop the freedom of speech, never stop different ideas etc...
maybe we can start one thread where if a person totaly disenchanted politely put,(p........off......) ....writes into it...and the rest of us try to win them back round...called the "RED ROOM"..................that way they can get it off their chest
lol
dominc

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Kinda like a "time-out" area!



http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/s...lolcatsdot.jpg

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i just wrote something a bit rude about henry kissinger! Well, his latest clone anyway, is that ok? im just a useless, breeder, eater, carbon producing unit after all and don't know my place/peasant/slave status?!:mfr_lol:

just a bit of levity folks!

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http://guestofaguest.com/wp-content/...r_olympics.jpg

Henry's container~ while his clone takes a break~
it appears George's clone is quite (bored? :lol3:

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When it comes to the topics descussed here we have to understand what truth is, "Truth" is a Beleaf of one person that the majority believes in, it was a proven beleaf 1000 years ago that the earth was flat, its was a Proven beleaf that the earth was the center of the solor system. I think we know better now? So with topic on here we have to asume that to that person it is truth, what they say because they believe it is.

Just because something has been proven to be so at the time don't make it a lie, Now I know there are people out there that will get on forums like this and Lie, and just run people down so the truth will not get out. weather you agree with it or not Uless your are there an see the truth with your own eyes, or can weed out, the out right liars.

Understand one thing Proof is not always something that is needed if you believe. God is a perfect example of this. There is no Proof that he ever existed, yet People believe in him. In what ever form your beleaf manafests him in.

that is why even if I do not think something rings true I do not discredit it because who knows 3 years down the road it might be proven to be true. Sorry its late and I have to stay up at work under the stars. Need to stay awake Sooo I added my 2cent worth lol Peace all

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I wish I could see the original post so I could check this out, it must have been a real direct attack and pretty heavy to draw this ire.

As a bit of an intuitive, you can make bit to be what you want, I get many introspections, however I specifically try not to use it in anything in regards to me because my own feelings and perceptions are suspect, and might skew things. I use the law of three and ask others who have such abilities because I am too close to the situation.

There are a few holy grails on this board, and I respect that these people have a good heart, are spending their own money, and that they have the best of intent, however I leave much of what they have on the table because there is lots of showmanship, and very little beef, aka, personal experience at least in their process or behind the scenes.

Since day one I have taken great care, involved others around me on video, shown actual clips and my process, and opened up my life to a degree, and that is what I would like to see from many of the individuals who PC make the holy grails.

Now that PC has attracted many intuitives operating on levels that the original PC members might not be aware of, these holy grails might be attacked or outed in certain respects, and the follower here who are not doing the spiritual work to open their heart center to determine these things on their own are influenced greatly by a one sided debate.

It has been stated a number of times as to the psychic abilities of the PC team in determining the most valid people to interview or those who were not worthy, and in one video Bill said "an I thought, he thinks he is important doesn't he", and we know nothing of this person. This was an intuitive feeling by Bill that might not have been fair to that person.

However there is no evidence that any of the team has any higher than average intuitive insight, and it appears they do not wish to listen or take consensus from others who might, because they are on their own clock, and that is their right, they are paying the shot, it is their experience, and we get to tag along.

However in reality if they were intutitive they would have know the subscription model would never get the job done. They would have know the moment of meeting St. Claire he had his own agenda and was actually in service to self. I could go on, but I called a number of shots here, and I knew there were a number of other intuitives who agreed with me, but we were shut out by people who are not in contact with ET's, or higher vibrational energies, a process which took years for me.

And I will make one more prediction. About 8 months ago PC was derailed, and taken off track, this will come to light. They are being manipulated through fear, and the partnership is keeping Bill from progressing forward. I respect Kerry, however the speed of growth is disparate, and Bill will need to leave the team, this is not due to any worth of each individual because I have a real soft spot for Kerry and she has literally already changed the world with a megre inheritance and accomplished more than I ever did in my life of value.

However is evident to me, there are other forces at work here, and they will harvest a certain bounty because through that energy it is getting into a great movement that has now been shut down, and they might see it yet.

There are three individuals who are most likely telling the truth, are to be commended for their service to their country and I empathize with on a personal level for the horrors they suffered, but they have nothing to offer this awakening.

Duncan O'Finegan, David Corso, Dan Burish, Aaron McCollum

There is energies who are attached to these people, and using them, as well as Kerry, and unless they rise above all fearful thought and step ourside all fear, everyone on this board might end up on the ascended earth where these people exist.

However being a free will Universe, that is your right, I plan to go to a planet where these people are not there, well I would like Kerry to be there but I think she might like the vibration of the other planet, jury is still out on that one.

Project Avalon
 

Control of avalon - domain name transfer
Hi all,

For those who are not aware, Project Avalon was taken off-line for the past few hours due to a dispute between Bill Ryan and myself in regard to the removal (closing) of the Thuban thread. I closed down the Forum to prevent further destruction of this thread and to ascertain from Bill, why it had been closed. I later learned that he had not actually closed it himself but wrote a message advising the Mod team that it should be closed. As a result it was closed. I have not seen this message. I advised Bill that I temporarily shut down the forum for a few hours and wanted to discuss this and other things that he has been doing that are in violation of copyright law as well as slander of a certain individual. I wanted to prevent any further violations of this nature, due to the fact that his actions threaten me, my status as a youtube director, Project Avalon and Project Camelot as his actions leave us open for lawsuits.

For some reason Bill chooses to ignore this and continues to make disparaging remarks about Jack Burns who accompanied me recently on my trip to Europe and in the U.S. conducting Camelot interviews. Bill was of course invited to come along declined as he wished to remain in Switzerland and did not want to go along with me or with Jack. As I mentioned on Camelot, my plan is for Jack Burns to work with me via my new site Project Camelot Productions to create Camelot conferences worldwide, once an investor has been found.

It will be of special interest to all that Bob Dean has embraced Jack Burns as a brother and we spent many wonderful hours chatting about many subjects while in Laughlin. Bob and Jack share a background in the military. I will be releasing an upcoming interview with Bob in which he substantiates further witness testimony from several of our whistle blowers.

It is important that people recognize that with over a million visitors a month and a pending TV show in the works Project Camelot is vulnerable to become a target of the PTB (powers-that-be) at any time. It is with this in mind that all must realize that using a very famous song such as the Beatles IMAGINE on a Camelot video would be unacceptable... without first obtaining the copyright license. This is common knowledge in Hollywood as well as in media circles worldwide.

I have now relinquished control of the projectavalon.net domain name. I wish to state here that I do not agree with the editorial stance of this forum and do not agree with the removal of the Thuban thread. This site is now completely under Bill Ryan's control.

I am working to establish an overall portal page where links to all our respective sites will be including a link to Project Camelot.

Best wishes,

Kerry
__________________
..."if you build it they will come"
Field of Dreams

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Kerry, would you be good enough to address some of what Bill said earlier today on the chat forum?

Bill mentioned that ‘...John (Jack) Burns works for Ausrallian intelligence and that he wanted to sack all the volunteers, move Camelot to a central office in Australia, have only paid staff and have him as the co-coordinator.’

Bill also states that he has audio recording that proves 100% that Burns is an agent but that you refuse to listen!!

I’m also baffled as to why you would shut down the forum because of internal dispute. The members seem to have been caught in the cross fire here and it’s not a very comfortable place to be in. It feels like we’re being forced to take sides which like children from a divorce situation is heart breaking. We do appreciate both of you and everything you’ve done.

Many thanks.

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agreeing with gita's concerns totally (above)

also

with respect, but bob dean hasn't come up with a ground breaking new informatin exept confirming what henry deacon had already presented - with a lot more grace and less ego...i mean, knowing that he (b dean) decided to spill the beans because the higher ups consistently hindred HIS own career advancement at the time, doesn't make him very trustworthy in my book:nono:..and that's in his own words as posted on PC.

best wishes l.


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