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Gi:thumb_yello:

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Actually you will need both lead and copper. Thank you for bringing this up. Copper mesh can be used to shield Electromagnetic radiation (Faraday cage style) , while lead is used to shield gamma ray and x-ray.

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Well, I don't know what is going to happen in the future. Will there be a cataclysm from some space object that causes mass upheaval and many types of people left on the surface to try and survive? Will unarmed communities have a chance of defending themselves against those who have no desire to join in love and friendship? Do guns cause the problem? What about crossbows, knives, or other means to defend? If mankind wants to hurt one another we don't have to have a gun to do it. Firearms are the best equalizer in confrontation as women might need to take part in defense.

I would like a world reborn in love and peace, and that is my focus. I am a realist and wonder if that energy will overcome those who want to walk in an energy of selfishness, aggression, and power through superior weaponry. Are we humans doomed to follow the most base of emotions displayed by those least spiritually evolved? We are only as strong as our weakest member of the body of oneness. Can enough people with higher loving spiritual evolution change via that energy those who walk in fear and would act out of those lower emotions?

Thus, the issue of weapons is interesting. Can you partake in battle to end aggression via killing the aggressors? If the aggressors kill those peace loving people, what will become of the world?

I don't think people who desire to have protection do so for nefarious reasons. Is it giving into fear to have a weapon to stop a madman? Would you simply allow a madman to come in and kill your community so they can have your food and shelter? Really think about that situation as happening and see what your response would be if they are determined to kill you, your family, community.

I'd love to hear how you would respond. I am not so spiritually minded that if some murderer was coming at my children and others that I would simply stand there, talk to them, and not intervene should they actually try to harm them.

I would hope that would never happen, but what if it did?

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Just playing devil's advocate here but don't you think creating communities Ike this will further segregate people from society at large? How does this help those who don't understand? How does this help those who have yet reached a higher level?

Wouldn't this ony be helpful to yourself and others like us?

Just me thinking out loud. Well...typing out loud...

Winter Wolf

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The matter of firearms and weapons in general is a matter that usually comes up. Differentiation and use must first be defined. Anything can be a weapon, whether it is bubblewrap, duct tape, or a Remington 700. I would like to bring to your attention how it is that livestock are usually slaughtered; it's usually with a gun to the back of the head. It is considered humane by most as, if done properly, providing instant death. Would you be more willing the slit the animal's throat, let it suffocated and bleed out? Now you have knifes. They can be tools or weapons, just depending on the intentions of the wielder. They are also relatively silent.

What happens when someone goes insane? Something will have to be done as those seeking shelter and whatnot may, indeed, not be of sound mind. It's like the murderer in the camp which no one is willing to do anything about. You can kill the person and end it immediately, you can knock the person unconscious and leave him for dead in the forest somewhere, or you can do nothing and be murdered along with everyone else at which point the murder may take his own life or just die on his way to the next village of thirst, hunger, disease, etc. There is a moral dilemma. On which side will you stand?

If you have to hunt for food, what are you going to use? Even if you do have firearms, what happens when your ammunition is depleted? Do you know how to make more? Could you make black powder from scratch? Projectile weapons whether it is a gun or a bow, offer increased range as well as keeping yourself out of harms way, relatively speaking. I will not go into the everlasting debate as to gun control, children, etc.

You must also take into account that the United States is a gun toting country. Most think it their god given right to have a gun. You must also think that most people are in a state of fear when it comes to this topic and will do anything to defend themselves. This may lead to people agreeing not to have firearms and then sneaking them in. It may even lead to personal searches, at which point the governing body will be somewhat hypocritical of the current situation with the government.

I am not surprised that people are dropping like flies when you tell them no guns. There is always the question of protection and fear. It is decision that is ultimately yours.

Personally, I know how to shoot both firearms and in archery. My bow is below with broad head arrows as I hunt with it as well.

http://www.tracethecircle.com/bow.jpg

To the post by Winterwolf: Can you make them understand what is going on? Most people are not willing to be unplugged and in the event that something big happens, most will not know how to cope with it. You can only help so much.
NorthernSanctuary & Mudra: I think the open chat would be a good idea.

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Just playing devil's advocate here but don't you think creating communities Ike this will further segregate people from society at large? How does this help those who don't understand? How does this help those who have yet reached a higher level?

Wouldn't this ony be helpful to yourself and others like us?

Just me thinking out loud. Well...typing out loud...

Winter Wolf

There is value to live with people that have a common-unity of purpose. It doesn't imply that there is no interaction with other people or that you cannot have programs to involve people outside the community. Living in a separate community doesn't have to imply segregation if that's what you want. At the same time living with other people in the same building doesn't imply that you are not segregated; people can live in the same building and never know each other's name.

You're asking a very basic question of the value of living with like-minded people with shared values. From the way I see it, common purposes and goals can be better/easier accomplished this way. Even if this purpose is to help people that don't understand.

Since we are talking about evolving into a new and better society, proto-typing and trying to create one is probably a good experience to see how to make one work. There is no better way for someone that doesn't believe it can work to see one that works.

If you see this as helping yourself, it is true, but I don't see how you can help others if you don't help yourself first. There are so many analogies. As a healer, can you heal others if you do not heal yourself first?

Let me know if you still see a problem.:original:

/NS

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You raise some very relevant points TtC. I think its absolutely necessary to have some guns for the very reasons you have outlined above. Its the consciousness of the user of the weapon which is the most important factor. Fear and survival consciousness will cause people to be extremely irrational and reactive if they are not prepared mentally or physically for upheavals in the coming years. Phycological/mental preparation is as important as physical preparation. People do, and should, first prepare themselves mentally for disruption to ordinary life and processes. Entertaining the what ifs and envisioning desired outcomes is the first important step to creating safety and security in the coming years.

Love and Light

Carmen

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Its all choice Brook. I have had the info about earth changes, conspiracies, etc for thirty years. I worked dam hard to wake up friends and family thirty years ago and was thought of as a bit odd and way out. For many years I ignored the information but I quietly started planning anyway in spite of my doubts. Its in the last few years as I have seen the predictions from thirty years ago come true that my plans and visions have consolidated. I have always wished to be of use to others, to family, friends and my community should situations become serious. A person isnt of use to anyone else if they cannot sustain themselves. They are then just part of the problem. To me it would be very stupid to not follow through on the information I have been given to prepare for an uncertain future world. Its been a huge mind shift for me, but its been great observing family and friends waking up to what is going on and making their own plans.

Nature and the animals in nature always prepare for a hard winter. We have lost our inborn instincts to do the same. Just by observing the thickness of my horses coats I can note just how hard the winter will be.

Love and LIght

Carmen

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All I have to say is bless you in all your endeavors

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No one is saying you cannot prepare yourself and your family for trying times. Hell, I prepare for the winter as I know the weather can be funny. I make sure there is extra supplies in the house in case of power outages, etc. People with common sense would usually make sure they have some extra supplies around.

Why would I want to segregate people? I'd rather integrate than segregate. However by building your own community, that in and of itself is segregating. All of the like minded individuals are all living there helping each other, etc. while the rest of the world looks in.

Now if this were an open commune where anyone, like minded or not can come and go and share in everything..that is different. How would it be any different than living in a gated community? So you'll have programs to let the outsiders in. So all of those other individuals who weren't lucky enough to snag a spot in the program will all just be turned away? Too bad? Soo sorry? Come back some other time?


Working on oneself is a continuing process. Just like learning is a continuing process. As you work upon yourself, you can still try to help others around you. It only stops when you want it to stop.

Winter Wolf

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Where I live in New Zealand, a farming community, friends and neighbours, plus the wider community, have always pulled together to help each other in times of crisis. I don't see that it will be any different if the situation deteriotes in the future. What I see happening here is that our valley will be inundated as dams burst and water from the coast sloshes in. Many people will not survive, but many will, and I sure as hell wont be turning people away in times of crisis, its not in my nature, but by the same token I have given up many years ago warning people to wake up and see what is happening in the world. Some people just like to snooze and that is their freewill perogative.

Love and Light

Carmen

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This is such an excelent thread! Thank you guys for talking about this, the time is such that its very important.

We are already segregated. Even though we are under the illusion of unity its just not true. Any community that is formed will be more unified then anything we have already in this society. I would rather be unified with like minds in a radient zone then be segregated in our current society.

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well said jack ...:thumb_yello:

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:sad:Dears,

Thank you for this thread as is very good to have the opinions of so many smart and sensitive people.

First of all, I'm no considering myself a Radiant Zone starter I cannot withstand comparison with real starters as NorthernSantuary, TtC and many others, people that already build communities, people much more advanced than me that I'am a wishful thinking guy, with a piece of dirt bought and maybe some survival books read. I feel somewhat uneasy to be compared with such great people; me I feel like pigmy compared with Goliath. My only, so called contribution to this marvelous thread is, that
I want to ask people in the know, if according with their information, this place I mention is safe, could it be considered a radiant zone, or not?


Also, there are ardent philosophical question raised on the thread. Look, life taught me that I have to be more feet-on-the-ground and sensibility and high and elevated feelings are good but not put food on the table. This is the reality of our miserable existence, we cannot separate our conscience of material, of earthly. At least I do not know a viable method, proven for my individuality, to work.

I'm telling myself I'm not tough enough for this world, (because I've surprised myself crying!!!!!!!!! listen to that song? I do not understand the words, etc.
I said, what the hack is happening to me?

So, really I need to go feet down to earth and I think, many of us, we need more feet-on-the-earth thinking.

Now, about the issue of helping/non letting others when the SHTF. If I wouldn't tell to that guy, near my house, SEVERAL TIMES, take care, look what is coming, prepare yourself. Don't go now in that fancy greek island ON CREDIT, better think maybe tomorrow they will throw you out of work, or maybe something's happening and use more wisely the money. You know what that guy is doing? Is laughing his ass at me, really and starting mock me. Than when the SHTF, the same guy approaching me and asking for help? Would be OK and considering him helping, because, we are humans, prone to error. But what are you doing if this dummy head came to you and ASK, look I have this little baby, he/she is hungry we need this or that and I know you have it. I DEMAND you give it to me? How do you will approach then this person? What are you doing if like this person are 5 neighbors, that all of them laugh at you, but now are coming to your door bearing arms, DEMANDING that you share with them whatever you stored (by not going in holidays in fancy Greek Islands on credit).

I like the approach for this problem of giving and helping others, highlighted in Triple Ought by James Wesley Rawles:
http://survivalbible2001.com/SB-2001...ON/001gray.htm

Here the guys, having themselves a retreat said:

Give till it hurts!

So, they were prepared and open to give and help their fellow human, but in their conditions and on their will, not to be brought on them with the force of weapon.

So, here we are, weapons vs. non weapons. We should always respect the NATURE. The immutable laws of nature. And this leads to instinct... survival instinct. That's mean a healthy survival instinct that has been encoded genetically in every being on this planet, to take care for itself, FIRSTLY.

Following this natural law, we should obey this instinct and protect ourselves. How? Can we protect by hoards of looters and crazed people because of SHTF and they never think about preparation, survival, etc and will find more easily to prey on you? Would they follow their instincts, because they and their babies are hungry, you have food and resources or they will think highly spiritually and ethically as DO NOT TAKE WHAT IS NOT YOURS? What do you people know, those of you with earned life experience? The outcome is easily to be anticipated...:sad:

So, I think that is in our best interest NOT TO BECOME JUST A RESOURCE FOR THESE PEOPLE! Therefore, as Jack very nicely said, we need to gather those with similar ideas and mind set. Why? Because we need to protect ourselves in order to survive and after that we may evolve spiritually, etc. If we are dying because a group of happy greek-island-holidays-makers coming to your house/retreat and killing you, or at least taking off you al the provisions, would you be able to evolve to develop yourself further? No!

So, we are arriving back to our question. We gather in preparedness people with same mindset, we are improve our skills together, but we still need of defending. In US that is an easy task. There people have the right of bear firearms. We in Europe, after several hundredth years of dictatorial regimes, etc, we have been stripped away for this inalienable right, to be able to protect yourself, not leaning towards be protected by an external force (which usually is not there when you need it most, but trying to make life miserable otherwise) Of course, even us as Europeans, we need means to fight and defend ourselves and/or means to scarry and discourage potential predators (with two or many legs :winksmiley02:)

I'm relly in, to hear your suggestions and ideas.:welcomeani:

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You are of course both right :)

There are many perspectives to this.

I am/have prepared in my own way, both in how I choose to organize my worldly affairs which includes "zany" preparations, living an increasingly off grid lifestyle etc and also I try also to play my part in not dwelling on the events to come - but one has to give various possibilities consideration (especially when you base your actions on what you think you "know" what is going to happen!) so that you can plan appropriately. The community part will happen in its own good time (by manifestation!)

As for community, I am sure that the majority of readers here are radiant zones all by themselves. When many of us meet one day, it will be a glorious day! It has already happened many times and will again.

Radiant Zones and community building will ALWAYS and inevitably require discussion about what is or is not going to happen. The trick is to do it rationally and with detachment.

From me to you/us/me - love!

A..

PS: If you disregard the Camalot and the "news" with the doom/gloom, conspiracy, UFO's/Aliens - then AVALON is a significant radiant zone - I suppose you all get that don't you?

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Since it is imposssible at this time for me to leave my present location, I have been preparing to weather it out here. I don't have a local groundcrew except for my small family, but I am in contact with a small group in the UK that is planning to move off the island to the greater continent.

I am located in the central north of Italy in the Alps near the Swiss border well above 300 meters above sea level. To the NE of me there are mountain passess...very tall mountains and desolate areas, low population. This is an extremely rugged wilderness area not exploited for tourism like other areas. An abundance of wildlife, pure springs and streams teaming with trout, medicinal herbs, and abandoned agricultural areas with buildings that could be bought quite cheaply now. This particular area, and SW of here are considered the safest areas in Italy as far as earthquakes are concerned.

To the SW are lower mountian ranges that level off to join the Como Lake area towards Milan.

Although I realize the vicinity of the greater metropolis envirnment could become a problem when people there "run for the hills", I do know that fleeing the main valley, further up into these majestic mountains, could offer protection from panicked and angry crowds.

I am here. My home is open to you as a refuge, be it just for a pause or what need be.

Peace and Good Will!

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Brook and Winterwolf

My vision holds no catastastrophies in the future friends .
I believe that life lived from the heart is taking care of itself.
My vision sees humanity uniting in shared values , learning to
live with one another in respect for all of creation and of mother
earth.
This has to start with some gathering with the same purpose
of laying down the step stones of a new world.
This process has already taken place testimony to this are the numerous
eco villages that already exists.These are already showing the way.
There should be inter connectdedness between all the communities
be it those that you'll build or the ones that already exists
so that each one can travel to the other and exchange freely.
When this is done on a large scale in the end every single individual
on this earth with be part of ONE loving community of beings.
We are all powerfull and radiant individuals and everyone of us allready
does his best to shine his light and wisdom around him .
Radiant people when they gather can radiate even more.
Built and gather with and from your heart and know there is nothing to fear.
We are all ONE. ONE family .All we have to do is re-member.


Loving kindness
mudra

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My reason for wanting to live and work in

a community has nothing to do with

weather there will be disasters in the world

or not ... its simply a personal choice

i have no intentions of isolating my self

i feel this need to do this . i feel its

not just for me.. but to say hey you know what

you can get out of the rat race ... this is a way

you can do this ,,, then all the communities

can come together and share ..build the new

world from the ground up .... what an opportunity.....(for my grandson )

a community is not just about personal survival

someone is assumming a lot ...

this is great ...let get it all aired .. find the


community that suits you ....they wont all be the same ....

have your say here is your chance ,

right here and now .....in service of the one

rhythmmm ...(lets work together on this
not be devided ...)

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Thank you to everyone that is coming on this thread.
Your individual viewpoints are important .
Let's keep the discussion going and the focus on the creation of a unified field.

Loving kindness
mudra

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Hi Artvision,

You have good elevation and the area sounds really nice. The only information that I've seen, talks about the issue of the problem of ash from mount Vesuvius.

You will have to go with your own intuition. While there is talk of the earth changes for the 2012 transition, there is also talk of ascension; it really seems like there is the possibility of alternate timelines, different realities for different individuals. See link:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=15510

(part 13-25)

I don't doubt that mudra's vision will hold true for her. The most important preparation is a spiritual development one. Without it, one will not survive even in a survival group.

/NS

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;)

loving kindness
mudra

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Greeting's my lovely Lady:wink2:

:mfr_omg:~ please don't tempt me with offers like this!!

:italia:

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I know that there are people

here on this forum

who actualy need a home ....

and are not in a situation that they

can do enything to change that

and so would be ready willing and able

to join a radient zone ....

i feel that this is a time to keep an open mind

and respect all opinions ...

and to be willing to at least see there point of view

we dont allways have to agree ...

there will be those who are willing to walk away

from there weath , evan there familys ...

some who will bring there weath for the good of the all

and share it among the community

there will be some who have nothing

to leave and nothing to give (monetary )

realy where are your values

what does your heart say to you if it says stay put

then this for you is your choice and ... be guided

by your own intuit ...

no one is saying community living is a must and or for all

so let us not make right n wrong of this

only choices .....and let ue be willing to listen to all the point of view

then we are open minded and can learn and grow

in service to the one rhythmmm ....
at least we have learnt to share here havent we ?

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Thank you WiNaDeYo for the warm love that emanates from your offer.

Peace and Good Will.. Yes these are key words I believe that we should keep in focus :)

Loving kindness to you
mudra

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The idea of living in a community of like-minded people is very appealing to me. I am sure that up till now not many of us could choose their neighbours and neighbourhood. Quite often we do not like the places where we live...It would be nice to live in the vicinity of people you could call friends instead of neighbours only. I'd gladly give up my 2-bedroom apartment for a room in a house with a garden to share with friends. Some people in Poland did that. They are mainly retired people. a group of close friends bought a house in the country, they live there, share the chores and from what I know are quite happy.( I read their story in a magazine).

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Happy to meet you TtC.
Indeed the place is open for those who wish to share a discussion there.
We only need to fix a common time amongst us.
For me it's fine at 23:30 or 24 european time which makes it 5:30 or 6 for the US guys.
Those of you here who are wishing for such a chat to take place let us know if this time would suit you .

Loving kindness
mudra

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Thank you Rhythm,

Your wisdom is a legend in Avalon :)

Loving kindness
mudra

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I agree with you Burgundia we are entitled to choose our friends and if we can live with them at the same time and construct something in the direction of self sustainance , harmony with the environment and our fellow beings it should be done and supported as this can only benefit the entire planet as a whole.

Loving kindness
mudra

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The world itself has changed.
There was a time when a traveller, if he had
the will and knew only a few of the secrets,
could send his barge out into the Summer sea
and arrive not at Glastonbury of the monks , but
at the Holy isle of Avalon; for at that time the
gates between the worlds drifted within the mists,
and were open, one to another, as the traveller
thought and willed . For this is the great secret,
which was known to all educated men in our day:
That by what men think ,we create the world
around us, daily new.

Marion Zimmer Bradley .. the mists of Avalon

loving kindness
mudra

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Hello fellow Radiant Zoners!

Well, what can I say. The sight in Washington State has been working hard. The fruit trees are in, the teepees are up, and the permanent residents have moved into the big long house, finally.

It's a great place to meet people who are full of good values and into sharing their lives with others of like mind.

Rules: NO GUNS, NONVIOLENT COMMUNICATION, and GIVE as well as RECEIVE!

If your a hard worker, enjoy community, and want to lead a beautiful life you could make this place your home.

Contact me at worm.hole7@gmail.com for community details.

Live in light, and learn in peace.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole:thumb_yello:

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Hi NorthernSantuary,

Thank you for your comment :original:

Regarding more information for assessment, what you might recommend?

Presented up to now:

1. High Altitude
2. Distanced 90-100 km from larger city (300,000 inhabitants) and 30 Km from near town (85,000 inhabitants)
3. Low Seismic risk
4. Not on path of air currents
5. Far from any shores or seacoasts, 8 Km far from water dam, 45 m above water dam level (in case of excessive flooding , or reversal flow of water to their sources due to seismic, winds or other events)
6. Existence of local resources: water, wood, wild game
7. Small rural community at reasonable distance, for bartering, security alliances; people are OK
8. The mountains there are not of volcanic nature, so, the probability of local lava eruption is close to zero
9. Being mountain area, caves
10. Low cost of land for building
11. Area is well sun covered and windy (good for electric energy)

What might be desired to add for assessment?


Also would be very interesting to know, the organization of such retreats:

1. How decision are taken, voting
2. The chores distribution
3. Security organization, defense systems, sentries, watching posts
4. The policy with local surrounding people, near the retreat
5. What will be assessed the contribution of each member to the well being of retreat
6. How are the resources splitted between the members?
7. Are allowed the individual members have their own things, privacy, or is more something collective?

etc, etc

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NorthernSanctuary, Carmen and Gio, TtC, Artvision, WiNaDeYo , Wormhole you are a blessing on this thread.You all come with good news and your heart felt vision and deeds.
Still a lot to do but great hope for all.May your visions come through and communities flourish as lotus flowers on this earth .

Thank you
mudra

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I closely resonate with what Rhythm (also Mudra and Burgundia) is saying about the values. Indeed, I can not imagine to live in the community were (again!!!) the shareholders, ownerships and other financial relations will became dominant segment of the “society”. I am imagining the new communities and radiant zones – as RADIATING! But surely not with financial primitivism as is now in 3D world.
Is it the main issue only to survive? For me – not! We should survive, of course, but it is expected from us to start to build The New World. We should be the new collective consciousness of the future, and we should think mainly of how to adopt and share all of the real universal knowledge and wisdom we can, together with unconditional love, for next generations also. That is radiating.
The new system is required, and I believe Avalon is capable for organizing a team who will found the basics of a new planetary system of values connected with the universality.
Money relations are destroying this planet, we are escaping from money relations, and we are accepting them only because we have no choice at this moment.
Giving is the greatest gift for those who gives.

Love for all


http://greennativecouncil.com/yahoo_...164739_std.jpg

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Hi Artvision,

Considering the possible contamination of surface water, you should try to see if there are sources of spring water, or consider a common artesian well when you have a group formed. Also have the equipment to purify the water; include distillation as a last resort. In some scenarios the sun will not be around for a while, so make sure you focus on wind power, hydro if there are mountain streams; the solar you can use while you have it; otherwise store it until the sun comes out again.

Your description of the area sounds ideal. Your caves can be a natural shelter against extreme winds.

As far as the other organization issues, I'll write more later as we are going through that process now. Everyone should have their private things, and a common area for community. You can agree on contributing a certain amount (eg. food) to a common store (as a buffer for yourself or others). The principle is that you can only learn to give if it is voluntary and from the heart, not if it is a hard rule, but you can have basic rules required for the sustaining of the community, such as the expected amount of labor that each should contribute for the common good (no. of hours of work a day). My intention is that the quality of life should be measured by the amount of free time we have to pursue self development and this should improve over time.

/NS

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Hi NorthernSantuary,

You are right about the water. There are natural flows of some water threads (smaller springs) anyway there is a clear and very cold water seems to emerging out of the hill. I discussed with the landlord and said the extracting water is very easy there. And if needed much water, 200 m down away there is a huge lake with plenty of water.

For water, I have 2 manual pumping ceramic water filter this model:
http://www.campsaver.com/mmWINTERFIX...rks_filter.jpg

each with a small plastic flash of chlorine concentrate, but this is for bush-crafting. For the retreat should be fixed filter, with gravitational flow, with higher capacity.

Yes, you are right, the water could be polluted, chemical, or nuclear, even from some meteorite showers of toxic component, has been written also in the Bible:

the third trumpet blast heralded “a great star from heaven, burning as if it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; and the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. — Book of Revelation 8:10-11


The difficult will be to filter out the chemical contamination, and this could be done just by distillation. The nuclear filtration :sad: maybe just by electrolyze and then burn again the H2 and O2, but this would be much over our technical possibilities.


Look NorthernSantuary, I'm not consider give Sitchin much trust. Instead I discovered with great joy, the work and information of Maxwell Igan, which are more alike with my perception of reality.

Another issue, really I'm not upset if I'm dying from a natural phenomenon coming from an act of God. Really, if a meteorite is falling in my head, I will die peacefully. Whatever I'm upset and determined to fight at most of my wits, are the things and situations created by HUMANS. Because those has been human created I have no justification to fight against, nor defeat, if I'm considering myself a rational and having some brains. Against such threats we do not have any excuse, do we? Those from God, are at divine will and I'm not upset to fight.

As Oliver very nice put, also me I'm tired about this primitivistic society based on money... money, money, money. We should broke this pattern once and for all, we must be responsible beings and no dedicated just for material gain, for it's own sake. If we are obtaining it just give us the material support for a bigger and more complete evolution, then be it.

We must learn to get rid about this hindrance of money concept from of our minds and spirits. But until then, we should be realistically and try to do our best to use the scarce money resources to create our retreat, at our best of our possibilities. Sometimes I become very tired, of this life, of this society, and then I better understand the God imperative mandate that we should go out of this wicked world, we should get out from our worldly Babylon (the current world and it's wicked system). But as we still learning from 20 years, the conscience enhancement and molding is the hardest, toughest and most moral and emotional energy consumer!

More easy to learn a new skill, became an ace in something, that to modify your way of thinking! This is the greatest challenge. For this we need people more advanced than us on that path, people which are far over the selfishness and these current worldly feelings. These people should be like teachers for us and show us what we can do to find our spiritual accomplishment. Even they cannot do much for us, as any being business is to evolve by itself, by joining people with close mindsets could create an emotional starter for many of us, like a spiritual evolutionism Big-Bang.

Until then, though, we should work with the existent tools, as they are primitive and already expired, such as money, things, etc.

Me, personally I do see money as tools and more a cumbersome, rather a blessing. From my experience is happening like this:

a) if I got much money (extremely rare) I need give much thought what to do with it not waste it, or at least to maintain their value - this usually finish with lot of discussions, in family and lot of energy spent; most of the times we regret the decision we took (if not us, our family members!) :sad:

b) if very few monies remain, than I'm stressed, because what I will do, etc I need to find urgently a solution to take me out of that state

c) if a moderate amount is coming, hopefully on a regular basis, then I can cover the family needs and give me kind of peace, to think about my important things in life, which are not money and their investment

So, most of the time, money are causing only worries and problems. They ask from us much attention and consideration just for their own sake, as some small devilish, selfish creatures.

After I read a lots of books, Robert Kiyoaski, Wallace D. Wattles, Napoleon Hill, D. Trump, etc, etc, I get more insights of what monies are and how the world is running. Therefore I decided NOT apply the Kiyosaki and Donald Trump system, of living large, consuming much, just this to be the engine for a future expansion, NO.... I apply the teachings of our God to live modest and beyond my means. This will lead us to humbleness, which think is the key to not let your mind get crazy in this world. This is keeping us sane!

We are nothing, really now you are here alive and full of yourself; in 1 second you could be gone, so is not worth nor justified to make big fuss about you are something.

A very big lesson I learned, when I have been worked in Maldives. I stayed in Male, and this is an extremely small island, you could be walking it in 15 minutes from one side to another. So, there, you see rarely cars, mostly taxies. One day started to discuss with a person, he was running a motor bicycle, has been dressed very modestly and his attitude has been very humble.

This person was very pleasant and very knowledgeable and last me a good impression. When I went in the office I told this to a good friend of mine Italian and others from the office (locals) about the encounter. The locals asked me more details and then laughing said: Do you know with who you have been spoken with ? No, I said. This guy is the landlord of many islands here, and having many fish canning factories all around, is very rich and maybe weekly is going London for his business, etc. Me, I was shocked also intrigued of how come he hadn't have a shiny car to show his wealth status! And joking about this, with my italian friend, that in my country, if somebody has 10,000 $ he thinks is the king of world and even not answering back to your hello, next day. We were giggling about, but I learned a tough lesson how to behave and started to see the world with different eyes.


Starting from that, I do not appreciate people, that because they made money, by a conjecture or something, etc, this would qualified automatically them think about themselves they are smart, gifted and so on, just because of this. I met in my life, people extremely rich and wealthy, for example in Saudi Arabia and they didn't try to impress or make a point from how wealthy or how much money they have. It is a matter of education, of conscience, religion, etc. Money are just a tool, that are bringing you where you want to go and that's it. You should take care about them, as a carpenter is taking care of his chisels, or a blacksmith that take care of his forge, but nothing more. Not for the money sake! We should be their masters not the reverse.

But through a wicked a devilish propaganda, the elites tampered the minds of people and made them live in debt, while the elites live of people's debt! It is a parasitic symbioses, but I think with this crisis they passed the limit. Really I think they passed the limit, the POINT OF NO RETURN with that. I think also part of them, woke up to reality and starting to realize what they've done and how massive will affect them. But I'm afraid they de-clicked the pin of the grenade.

So, because of that, I'm not positive in an economic recovery, not in a close future and I'm stressing myself to manage somehow to start doing that retreat. I'm not afraid of God calamities, let his judgement come, as we are deserving what we get from Him, but I do not want let the TPTB show me, that their intelligence will prevail mine:naughty:. I wouldn't never accept that. What is done by man, shoul be un-done by man and I must be able to do it.

Of course, there is a huge disbalance of resources in this equation, between things that they are pushing on us and things we can do ourselves to protect ourselves and oust them, but with the help of God, I hope we can overpass these human treacheries. Really I'm positive that there is a profound meaning into resist! By all means: Resistance Is NOT Futile! This is my credo, up to this point in my petty existence. What do you think?:winksmiley02:

Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?
 

:groupwave::groupwave:
Standing ovation!
Thanks for the captivating and heartful post!

My thoughts exactly, Artvision!

Keep up the good work! Sounds like you have found your radiant place!

Peace and Good Will!

Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?
 

Good thinking, Artvision. I am thankful to you for you dedication.

I would like to repeat my proposal: Avalon should organize a team who will work on profilation of the community’s society in every level. This doesn’t mean uniforming of all of the communities, but a kind of universal recommendations to be followed with free will. As for me, most important is the “ideology”, the VALUES that will be propagated, teached and lived for.
The technical issues of surviving are similar everywhere, so they can be resolved in this or that way, but since we are spiritual beings first, it is crucial to have an unbreakable system of values that will brings enlightement and positive evolution.
I am ready to work on this, I am experienced journalist, I was following society’s problems among all, and since I am from Eastern Europe, I have insight into the transformation of the society from one system to another. Both failed as you know.
We should be free to see and analyze some anarchistic experiences (without negative meaning that was putted to this word) of some historical situations, to take the best of it, to combine and compare with elements from other systems, to remember Thomas Mann’s Utopia and utopianism as a dream for the perfect human society. Nothing bad with it.
I repeat, I am speaking of the minimum agreement on the basic values. I strongly believe that all of the communities should have compatibility in order to build The New World.
So…

Love and Respect to all.

Re: Radiant zones and communities building..where are we up to ?
 

TtC I believe it would be wise to reiterate your original proposition here as I believe many here have'nt read it before.
Would you do this for us?
Thank you .

Loving kindness
mudra