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I totally agree. This is where I kind of got stock :wall:, in trying to decide the appropriate level idea. But after reading your post my creative thinking mind just went "BAAM" and the Idea came to my head.

So, instead of creating a level based method why not just create a circle "Circle of Enlightenment”. The circle will consists of points around it, such as a level but will not contain the hierarchies such as Levels, 1,2,3… and so on. It will work more like Groups. Each dot will represent a group. Each group will have its categories. Woooow, I’m totally loving this idea.

With this "Circle of Enlighten” the user can decide where he or she would like to learn from based on their experience. With no one group being first then the other.

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I'm thinking the teacher is based on two factors.
1) The user does this for a living and has plenty of experience or degree.
2) The users has gain enough knowledge in such a way that he helps others and obtains / becomes a teacher.

I think with the new idea of "Circle of Enlightenment”. this would not be necessary. But we do need to decide what material goes with what groups. Or better yet, we need to group related material. :original:

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Encouraging inexperienced people to do battle with the forces of darkness is a bad idea. Unless you can bring in a team of teachers from the light side of the ancient mystery schools the plan should be abandoned.

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I think you got the wrong impression on this, not sure how but it is clear that this is to teach and learn about the higher self. It has nothing to do with fitting evil or forces of darkness.

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I think the thing to keep in mind on this project is that there are profound changes taking place right now, which are essentially rewriting how reality unfolds.

The two things we've been very used to, which are now getting a big shake up, are that we've been immersed in a reality which is based on duality or polarity, and it's been unfolding on a linear timeline, in a physically solid universe.

I'm sure we've all heard the terms "multi dimensional" and "non-linear" by now. What do these things mean? How do they relate to our "current" reality?

It's a real challenge still, to function multi dimensionally, while our linear 3-D world is still so solid and "there". But every day sees the weakening of our linear game, and a strengthening of our multi dimensional existence.

This will sound like complete nonsense if you are not yet experiencing it, and if you are, you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you start to see how this shift is taking place, and what the differences are, you can start to draw lines to otherwise inexplicable phenomena.

When waking up to our multi dimensional nature, it doesn't happen on any sort of linear time table, or in steps, or levels.

Every persons process will be different. Our higher selves are totally multi dimensional in character. So it's "now" can be any "when", past, present or future. I recently woke up one morning with a new "past". If you live in a linear stream, this is not possible. Past is past, and that's it. Well, no, it isn't. I've also got a short span of reversed time I carry around now. It's like a little multi dimensional bubble I'm in, approximately...now. I'm doing my best to describe some of these things, but words born in linear reality, don't adequately suffice in our new world.

How all of this plays into the project under discussion, is this awakening is not happening along any linear lines. It's happening as a shift from linear into multi dimensional existence. There are no levels. There is no 'next'. There is a smorgasbord of everything all at once, and our higher selves drop the little tidbits we next need directly into our paths in the form of all those amazing synchronicities we are all experiencing.

One thing I've noticed, is that in any areas where multi dimensionality is opening up, linear thinking, which is the speciality of our mundane minds, begin to feel very restrictive and even distasteful.

You may for example, think that organizing is necessary and desirable. Organizing is a linear reality inhabitant. The need to lay out steps of ever increasing depth or complexity falls into this same box.

I believe that those well on their way into this migration from 3rd to 4th and beyond will be, and actually are, no longer drawn to opportunities to play in the linear, where there is any choice in the matter.

This is actually our ace in the hole where the PTB are concerned. They are trying to herd us along these various paths, and we keep wandering off wherever we choose. Their control is breaking down for this very reason, and will continue to do so on an exponential curve. Every linear day shows control slipping away from their grasp, because the awakening multitudes are just choosing to do other more interesting things.

So, I'm not trying to rain on anybodies parade here, or to blunt anyones enthusiasm, but I don't want to see anyone set themselves up for a loss, either.

I don't see many people participating in this game. I could be wrong, and don't mind being wrong, but I think a structure of any sort for this ascension into higher realms, is just not possible. The chances of anyone setting up a structure which just happened to right for any other person, are astromonical.

We've got guidance which we can tap for cues and clues we need in order to be when and where our next Aha moment is available.

It's why this whole ground crew idea never got off the ground. It's attempting to organize within a linear framework, when that is exactly what we are graduating from.

Just look at all the completely impossible "accidental" discoveries you just happened to be in the right place at the right time in order to make.

That's how this is going down, and on a non-linear level, we all know that, and simply won't involve ourselves in organized, structured environments because they won't work as intended.

Several of us members here on Avalon, volunteered to create a library which contains everything we could find that we thought might be useful to have on hand if TSHTF, and the internet were to go down. It was a very "ground crew" oriented endeavour. We worked for months on it, and when we opened it to the membership, only a handful seemed to really find it to be of immediate use and necessity. By now, lots of members have downloaded lots of stuff from the library, so it wasn't a wasted effort, but I've certainly learned the lesson about trying to organize something like this thinking it's what will be needed and wanted by a group of beings making the shift from linear to non-linear reality.

Multi dimensional reality doesn't conform to linear logic of one thing following another, etc. It's a creative reality, of manifestation of thought, of energetically vibrating something into being. There is no past and future. Only now, with an unlimited number of variations of that now. And we simply shift around as need be.

What I think will be useful, is for Avalon to carry on as it's developed. A meeting place, where those waking up can drop a link to something they found useful, and then leave it for others to find, or not. A lot of us were drawn here, and it's one of the best places for people like us, who are on the leading edge of the changes, to compare notes and share discoveries, and give and receive support. Members come and stay as long as it's useful to do so, and then move on. Avalon reaches out of linear reality and into multi dimensional reality, and many people can find much here which will be useful to them.

But I don't think the process can be organized beyond what it already is. Many have opened projects and tried to gain support for them. It's almost proven to be impossible. Several ended up discouraged or even disgusted that so few would want to participate in their games.

Creative people don't need others to create games for them to play. They create their lives in a marvelous now, which happens to bend miraculously to their wants and desires. We create our own learning experiences and opportunities. We're all peeling ourselves off of linear time and space by whatever process suits us best.

I know this got pretty long, but I wanted to explain my observations on how organizing these types of group activities, may be nearly a thing of the "past".

And I hope this makes some sense. It does to me, but round words don't describe square concepts too well.

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I just went back. I had read it a few days ago and it talked about how the site idea was to build a team of spiritual warriors to defend the planet against the invasion of the dark forces. It has now been changed completely. The new idea is much more realistic.

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We have to remember that all people are different and some need a "push" or guide to see the light!. Wile other like your self completely understand and don't need any of this. This is more of a tool, whether is linear or non-linear, its a tool for people that are living on a linear way. The best way I can explain this is, We can not help people break-out of this linear way by just telling them how it is. We need to use tools they already understand in such a way that will help them break free.


You are not raining on anybodies parade or anything. The fact is the Kerry asked for some help from the Avalon members and so that is what we are providing.
As far as setting someone up for a loss, I'm not sure "What loss?" are you talking about. The fact that we are trying to think of more creative ways to help more people out is a loss? We need not to be afraid and work as one. as "fear is to hate, and hate is to hanger and hanger is to betray one self".

If you fear this is a waste of time, we ask of you to not participate. I'm doing what my hart is telling me, and that is to help everyone as much as possible to know the truth at all levels possible. Just like everyone else is helping out in providing info to related subjects of currents events that are happening around the world.

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Exallent form yoda. I just wanted to add too this as well. I think people think that we think we have a magic idea thats gona magically wake people up. This is not our idea. I like how you refer to this as a tool. For example I hoped online and started watching film at vbs.tv and got interested in wordly issues rather than just local issues. For example they goto N. Korea and show u how crazy those guys are. Blah blah blah and so forth. This led me to see what was on you tube reguarding N. Korea I watched a few and then started to explore the snippits that you tube provides as related topics and saw the truth movement for 9.11 which then produced a project camelot clip i watched and then i was hooked. Ive watched most of the interviews and i have an open enough mind to accept the information and take it for what it means to me. This idea came up because we wanted a great easy reference when wanting to tell friends family and any other average sleeping joe about this wonderful experience. Its just an information archive set up in a very clever manor by our bud yoda. Not a hiarchy system or a warrior in training site. well i guess were all warriors in training batel just is not as our human linear minds conceve it to be eh? We need some positive vibes in here keep this coming we need both cudos and oposition to get this right thanks every one for all input! And keep rockin YODA!:trumpet:

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I understand what you are doing, and I support your efforts.

My point is really that we are all creative beings at heart, and as we rediscover that ability, we are creating our own opportunities to learn what we need to know, from the aspect of our higher selves, which is just as much us as the ones sitting here doing the typing, except that our higher selves are not positioned in time and space and so can place prompts anywhere/when that is useful to us, once we accept it's time (in our linear time existence) to move on to our more expansive playing field. So by the very nature of what's taking place right now, no one can do more than suggest that it's somehow possible to grow some new multi dimensional wings and that simply asking for opportunities to learn more, will start the ball rolling, at which time the higher self rolls up it's sleeves and plays personal teacher, dropping the exactly perfect lessons in our path in the form of all those wonderful synchronicities we all experience.

So I don't feel what you are doing is a waste of time, because if even one person has their higher self direct them to your tool, as being the exact right thing for them to encounter right now, then it will all have been worth while.

The loss I was referring to is potentially yours. The loss of going to all this effort, and then having very few participate. That can be discouraging, if you were hoping for a big response. I would simply like to point out that this is a predictable outcome on this venture, considering my "linear" rationale in my previous posts in this thread. Just keep in mind that you may get very few people playing your game, but that you should not be discouraged by this. You can't help others to wake up. Just look at any threads with "how do you help friends and family to wake up..." in the subject line, or that type of thing. This problem has been gone round and round on since Avalon opened in Sept 08. It just is what it is. A personal journey which necessarily will be exercised by oneself, by taking note of, or not, the prompts placed for us by our higher aspects, so we might wake up comfortably, instead of having to have cold water dumped on us at the last second of our collective snooze.

I wish you good luck on this. I hope I'm way off base here, and this is a raging success that wakes up millions. But just don't be disappointed if it doesn't work out that way. Waking people up is a bit like training a cat. Wait until it does something you like, and then applaud like crazy and provide lavish gifts to show appreciation. We're more like cats in our acceptance of help, than we are like dogs. And to stretch the cat/dog metaphor a bit further, our linear cat existence, is beginning to expand into more of a community oriented collectively minded Dog type multi dimensional "pack" existence. (no offence to Cat/dog lovers. neither is better - they are just different.)

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Thank you, but I don't see this as a success or a loss or even as a game. I see it as just as another tool for others to use. If they chose or don't chose to use the tool is not a problem. It is up to you (the user) to decide, we can only lead the way. :)
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I will try to have an updated Layout tonight.
I'll probably have the 5x7 postcard as well.
Also, I'll be registering the new site today. :thumb_yello:

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This ENTIRE post was absolutely amazing!! I am 100% in resonance with this, except for 1 thing.....

You're right, we don't NEED others' games, but there's quite a lot of us that still enjoy them IMMENSELY!!:banana:


I don't think think the intent here is to discourage the project from blasting forward, but merely to ENcourage a new paradigm of thought. Boiling this down into a new method of information delivery can be difficult, since we are all conditioned to think within this old paradigm. But seriously, if anyone can figure this out, it's Avaloners. So I too, throw my vote into the ring that we continue to brainstorm a NEW paradigm.

If the majority of contributors here wish to continue with the concept of "levels" or pyramidal structures, I support that as well, as anything can potentially be a learning experience. But I agree with MyPlanet that this is exactly what we are drifting away from, like it or not.

Perhaps there could be a random element introduced, so instead of learning information in a predesignated order, it could literally be developed in such a way so that random acts of the universe could determine what the next piece of information was. Imagine having a user inputing a random number or word, and then using the concept of ICHING or Tarot, they would be offered a new piece of information.

And all the information would have to be presented in such a way that the user would understand that it is simply information, and NOT the only single legitimate point of view.

I read in one of the Handbook for the New Paradigm books that understanding a view or perspective on a subject is like imagining a circle around a dot.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/Circle_With_Dot.JPG
One person's belief or perspective exists at one point in the radius of that circle. To truly understand the subject, one must know as many perspectives on the given subject (dot in the middle) so as to literally see it from all perspectives (360 degrees around the point). Perhaps offering multiple explanations on a subject and allowing the user to decide for themselves which one resonates closest within themselves is a valid approach.


I'm not convinced this is the solution either, just trying to help brainstorm here.

So, Yoda, what is the domain name you are purchasing for this concept?

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Im really not shur how we would go about that, but i am loving the idea of leaving it up to "the universe" or a random generation of where to go next. or what to explore next. Its kind of like the information finds you. This sounds like something that could be developed and maybe should be, i would encourage it. I really like the concept that kerry, (who kind of gave us the starting point) and the rest of us who are imputting on this have come up with as well. It is correct that there is a "structure" set around the way the content of the site would be relesed to a new user. The structure is a simple guide being build to lift them off the ground so to speak. This is ment to spark curiosity and influence change. Just simply to get them thinking in a diffrent direction other than the norm. Us referencing this site to someone who checks it out could be that someone aha moment persay. And then where there life takes them is their journey. I think the thing that keeps coming up is that maybe its thought were trying to build a "one stop shop" to total wakeup/ enlightenment... Not the case, we want to help others simply see this hidden path that weve found by making an easy access point.

Caint wait to see it Yoda. Im amazed at how quickly you are throughin this togeter kudos!.:thumb_yello:

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Fantastic CV:thumb_yello:
We need 360 degrees of vision/perception to make an informed decision. As difficult as it is, we must allow our minds to encompase the whole. Things become much clearer then :original:

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well, several have chimed in on this, and I won't pretend to speak for them, but I can guess that their concerns are the same as mine...

I dont think ANYONE has thought that this would be the "one stop shop" to total wakeup/ enlightenment, but the fundamental difference here is the theory that the way we engage users would be in accordance with the emerging consciousness. Even if it's just to pry the lid open a tiny bit and allow them to see infomation, but also in a NEW CONTEXT. I think its important to realize that there are PLENTY of websites that deliver this information, and more are emerging every day. Maybe instead of creating more of the same, we jump ahead a little bit and ENVISION something new and innovative...deliver information BUT in a way that doesnt reinforce the very systems we are (hopefully) trying to dissolve. This requires a new approach.

I agree, this is NOT necessarily an easy task. But it could well be exponentially valuable, especially in the "multidimensional" context that MyPlanet2 mentioned.

Look , we were all invited to participate. It appears that the concept is moving forward with a certain momentum regardless of input and I don't think anyone here really wants to resist that momentum. I just think some of us were hoping to infuse some of our ideas along the way. Any forward motion is beautiful. Whatever will be will be. No matter WHAT it is, this will no doubt be another valuable expression of what we all here want to become. So much respect to you all.

Good Luck, and let me know if you need any Interactive Flash Development done.

CV

ps: Thanks Ian! I just noticed the same symbol got posted in the X-Men thread. The Universe is whispering.:hypo:

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Yes, Do you know AS3? and Xml? I'm thinking of the 'Circle' would be interactive and all of the dots/points if any would need a name. So I'm thinking of using and XML sheet to keep flash file updated.
..any one?

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yes and yes. but honestly, if you are looking for someone to just quickly build something for you without comment, Im probably not your guy. I don't feel like I fully understand the concept yet.

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No problem. I will have a new layout / image for everyone to see. Probably gets a better picture across. Also, I know flash and AS2 and some xml integration. But I'm more of a Designer then a developer. I'll be more then glad to put the Flash file together for you and all you have to do is the coding to make it work. :)

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Me too. This is why I think I might not be the best fit for what you seem to be looking for. I'm not the delegatory type. I'm much more interested in co-creation. So Why dont you just go with XML and AS2, you'll have a much more ubiquitous platform, no upgrades, etc.? AS3 takes away all the artistic nuances and reduces everything to code. Its not my favorite language. Takes all the fun out of Flash.

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how about this... you make a wireframe. For those who don't know what a wireframe is, is basically a mockup of the site with JUST the content and no graphics. This allows everyone to see the information flow and the idea without getting too caught up in the graphics initially. Then once that is mutually agreed upon, then move to the next stage, the visual look and feel, allowing input from anyone who wants to be involved. Then once everyone is in agreement and equally excited about the concept, you will have created enough excitement and mutual personal investment through the process that everyone involved will volunteer their time to see it through.:original:

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I haven't read everything posted here, but I get the gist of what you people are creating, and I like the idea.

A few comments on the issue of heirachy. I think that there are definite 'levels' to spiritual growth and that that to me is a truth. I also like the idea of yoda's of a circle because the levels can be thought of in terms of 'expansion' 'extention' into the next level.

For many years I have tested myself in a spiritual way and have experienced expanding or going into another level. Everything changes, and the new level is different and extends into and includes the other levels (not necessarily 'lower')

I have a few key books that I read and re-read. When I move (or expand) in consciousness I understand at a new level and there is info I'd never noticed before!

Another good example I use to explain moving to a new level is of 'climbing the hill, climbing out of the valley, and looking down on the activities below. Watching the street fighting! But not being part of it. Observing. Images convey so much more than words and are multi-dimensional.

I love all the ideas here, and I myself would enjoy a sort of 'testing' of spirit to see where I was at. As someone else has stated, ones 'inner self' reveals where we are at, but it would be fun to try this sort of thing on the forum

When a person is at a certain level they cannot 'see' the next level at all. They cannot even form the questions that relate to a higher level. Those beings at more expanded levels can 'see' all of the lower levels and none of the ones that they are yet to expand into. Spiritual growth is ongoing and ones "inner Self" knows when the person is ready to move. Nobody gets to go to where they have not passed the 'tests' to go. Forget equality, we only get what we deserve. We have equal "potential" to be or do anything, and advanced beings have always tried to help us in our evolution on this planet.

Keep up the good work guys. I am very interested in what you are proposing.

Love and Light

Carmen

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Cymatic Veilbegone: I Hope ther was no offence taken as to my post. I am just trying to make shur that I come across in a clear manor and am not meaning to come across as blunt.

This project has a momentum which I for one do not want to see lost. I am very optomistic and have great prospect for ideas in general, the more the marier. Anything to express us and be free. Take a fresh breath and enjoy the day.weve gotten a few "this may not be such a good idea" vibes. I just have yet to make sence of why this is not a good idea. So i want to inject my positive input. It seems that theres a few comment reguarding hiarchy and structure and I am simply trying to clear up the fact that yes there is some what of a structure to it but we are dealing with people who have been force fed structure all their lives. we are looking for something marketable and interesting to connect to normal folk. not just avalonians. The goal is to have the average joe, to busy with a job to look at the internet in such a mentally expanding way and introduce them to this topic or information. Please work with us and in-ject ur ideas, we welcome them. If you dont get the concept so well, please work with us to understand and mold with your touch as well. we are receptive Yoda is da man. We are in this together and this is a steping stone. and there are many in a single path and many paths along the way. Im just asking for open minds and positive attitudes to keep this revolution a rollin. Keep injesting what ever, we want to hear it all. energy is energy and let this bolder roll! :tongue2: Have a ball and keep this up Im lovein u all by the way and couldnt be more proud to be apart of this community.

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Absolutely no offense taken. Sounds great! I am excited to see what you come up with, and will be happy to offer more input/help when you have this more sussed out.:original:

Respect, CV

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SAMPLE 5 x 7 POSTCARD / FLYER

http://www.erickstudios.com/projectc...amelot_sd1.jpg


So here is one side of the flyer. I think is the message is pretty clear. don't you agree?

Note: I plan to support a few websites with this Idea. Like Project Avalon, The Zeitgeist Movement, The Show Podcast, Veritas Show.. and a few others.

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Other Side:


http://www.erickstudios.com/projectc...amelot_sd2.jpg

Not sure if this is as clear of a message then the first one. Any Ideas?

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I think this is perfect. Very simple and just braises the curiosity. Just enough to say what the hell is this all about. I also like the idea of doing this for multiple movements. Im totally into the 9/11 truth movement. I love the zeitguiest thing. What ever get people to think is what im lookin for. I really like what youve come up with. Great stuff YODA!

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If ask what image comes to mind with the word “Massive” that has impacted your life? What do you get?

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I'm not sure what that means. Are you asking how deep down the rabbit hole they want to go?

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the sudden massive feeling I got few years ago that we're eternal beings...with the image of white pulsing light, just as my avatar

massive certainity, that nothing is impossible, if we just open our minds..with the image of happy humans just flying around and do nothing but learn, learn learn...learn notning more but the divine lessons.

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Just as I thought. I'm not sure everyone has seen the movie "The Matrix" so this is hard to under stand.

I think we need to rephrase the question. Something like:

1. "How well do you think you know the truth? Show me | Keep dreaming"
2. "What pill heals you? Prayers | Medicine"
3. "Which side are you on? Toxic | Poison"
4. "What side are you on? AM | PM" (I dig this one!)
5. "New Virus....." awake | sleep"

Well, any more Ideas? or can I get Vote?
:original:

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I got it:

http://www.erickstudios.com/projectc...melot_sd2a.jpg

So..?

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Sample LINK:

http://www.massiveawareness.com/jeditest/
(Note: This is only a DEMO, if you wish to start over, just refresh the page)

1. No Levels, Just categories.(represented by stars)
2. Categories will have Sub-categories that are related. One sample category can include PSI, ESP,..or so. List of sub cat's are shown when you mouse over a cat(star)
3. Ones you select sub-cat(PSI), you will be taken to all the material related to that sub-category.

So, visually their is no level structure. But technically its a 3 step process. :original:

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Very cool, the site layout is just down right crative... im lovin it. The way the info is presented is a little plain tho. It needs to say open me some how and it just dosent do it for me by saying psi... what is psi..Ill have you a subjestion in the mornin when im feeling a bit more creative. I just want to make shur to keep attention. This is blowin me away tho as far as layout. Nice work Yoda. :lightsabre:

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Please keep the font large enough for us older ones, Ta

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what's an Aganda? Why would I have to be on one? And what does 21 have to do with an Aganda? Do I really have "my own" Aganda? If so, how did I get it?

I'm confused.

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Dear MastaYoda,

Thank you for including Veritas in your thoughts. It is much appreciated. I also support all these movements, including Avalon.

All my best,

Mel

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Wooow, sorry. Not sure how I missed that one. Its "Agenda" and not Aganda. I'm sorry. I will get the fix. I'm sure you know about Agenda 21. And sorry for the miss spelling.

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Yes, I love the show. I make sure to listen to it every Friday evening. Also, I'm working real hard in implementing the new website that will have all this files for download so everyone can link to them.

:original:

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No, I'M sorry. I have not heard of Agenda 21 , what is it? Is it like Codex Alimentarius?