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Dantheman62 04-19-2009 01:01 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
OK I'm back, LOL, I think there's so many different types of competition that it can't be talked about as one thing.
If we didn't have any type of industrial competition, every industry would then have a monopoly in their section.
If we didn't have any sporting competition then there really wouldn't be any sports. And nobody being pushed to better themselves.
If we didn't have any educational competition then wouldn't all schools and colleges and such be teaching on the same level, and at the same rate?

I just think that without competition everything would be monotone stagnation.
Boring to say the least and with no advancement of quality!

Carmen 04-19-2009 01:47 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
Well Dan, as far as industry goes, I can put forward the example of our co-operative dairy industry as an effective model of co-operation. My family are fourth generational farmers. We started off as sheep farmers and my husband became more and more disillusioned with this branch of our agricultural industry. The meat companies were run by mainly an old boy network that competed with each other for overseas markets. One company would go overseas and carefully market their meat products, spend the money advertising and sorting out sometimes tricky markets where one had to be intelligent, patient and intuitive to achieve the objective. It would all be a done deal, then another meat company from New Zealand would come straight in after that and undercut the price!!:wall::wall::wall::wall:

This sort of thing went on all the time. When we shifted over to dairying it was a whole different ballgame. The Dairy industry in New Zealand is owned by all the dairy farmers. This has changed somewhat in the last few years and I'm not sure to what degree. The farmers collectively own their industry. The best young brains are employed in marketing. When they go looking for new markets overseas they seem to always enter into a partnership or co-operate venture with the country to which they sell product to. They do not undermine the existing country's own dairy industry.

Everyone benefits from this co-operative model and it is a very competitive one. It has to be because we are too small a country, too small to not get it right. Farmers share information and improvements are constant. In this case the farmer holds the power and is not the recipient of whatever the industry decides they will pay him or her.

giovonni 04-19-2009 06:35 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
Competition~ like most things in life~ is healthy in pursuing~ when there is a balance achieved> through the process and experience.
Nothing motivates me more, than when I attempt to give up on myself;
I believe the sweatest and best victories come> when competing with oneself:thumb_yello:



These quotes best> sum-up my sentiments on this subject matter;

There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility lies in being superior to your former self.
unknown


"The world is divided into people who do things and people who get the credit. Try, if you can, to belong to the first class. There's far less competition."
Dwight Morrow

"The essence of competitiveness is liberated when we make people believe that what they think and do is important - and then get out of their way while they do it.”
Jack Welch

"The biggest things are always the easiest to do because there is no competition."
Willian van Horne

burgundia 04-19-2009 07:23 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by giovonni (Post 130423)
Competition~ like most things in life~ is healthy in pursuing~ when there is a balance achieved> through the process and experience.
Nothing motivates me more, than when I attempt to give up on myself;
I believe the sweatest and best victories come> when competing with oneself:thumb_yello:



These quotes best> sum-up my sentiments on this subject matter;

There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility lies in being superior to your former self.
unknown


"The world is divided into people who do things and people who get the credit. Try, if you can, to belong to the first class. There's far less competition."
Dwight Morrow

"The essence of competitiveness is liberated when we make people believe that what they think and do is important - and then get out of their way while they do it.”
Jack Welch

"The biggest things are always the easiest to do because there is no competition."
Willian van Horne

Beautiful and wise quotes giovonni. i do not agree that where there is no competition there is stagnation.
Let's look at nature. I do not see any competition(unless for a beter mate or place to breed) just cooperation:animals with plants, plants with plants,etc.
Tesla, Skłodowka-Curie, Newton,Copernicus,Faraday, just to name a few, weren't competing with anybody. When I like something and I know I am good at it, I do it for my own pleasure or satisfaction. Was the washing machine invented as a result of competition or to make our lives easier(and of course to make money)?

Carmen 04-20-2009 03:44 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
Competition in the science world does not advance science. Head scientists jealously guarding their positions, and being the ones receiving funding have often held back scientific advances. Ill repeat the saying I wrote somewhere else that, the science progresses one dead scientist at a time. Brilliant scientists are often in the boondocks till well after their death!

giovonni 04-20-2009 04:23 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carmen (Post 130603)
Competition in the science world does not advance science. Head scientists jealously guarding their positions, and being the ones receiving funding have often held back scientific advances. Ill repeat the saying I wrote somewhere else that, the science progresses one dead scientist at a time. Brilliant scientists are often in the boondocks till well after their death!

:thumb_yello:
Universities are full of closed minds> fields of study and dead ends!
dog and pony shows for grants and funding~
by governments and corporations seeking more control~
It all leads back too the [EGO] not competive scientific advancements :mad3:

Dantheman62 04-20-2009 04:50 AM

Re: The Fallacy of "Healthy" Competition
 
From Wikipedia.............

Competition is a combat between individuals, groups, nations, animals, etc. for territory, a niche, or allocation of resources. It arises whenever two or more parties strive for a goal which cannot be shared. Competition occurs naturally between living organisms which co-exist in the same environment. For example, animals compete over water supplies, food, and mates, etc. Humans compete for water, food, and mates, though when these needs are met deep rivalries often arise over the pursuit of wealth, prestige, and fame. Business is often associated with competition as most companies are in competition with at least one other firm over the same group of customers.

Competition may give incentives for self-improvement. For example, if two watchmakers are competing for business, they will hopefully lower their prices and improve their products to increase sales. If birds compete for a limited water supply during a drought, the more suited birds will survive to reproduce and improve the population.

Rivals will often refer to their competitors as "the competition". The term can also be used to refer to the contest or tournament itself.


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