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sleepingnomore 06-01-2009 05:37 PM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
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Originally Posted by robyn (Post 114530)
I'm at page 86 at this time and have been reading yet another explanation for the pyramids. <sigh>

We read in the Ra Law of One material that the Ra social memory complex entity made the pyramids for very different and positive reasons than are given here.

I'm not choosing one over another, but just pointing out that just about every "space brother", whether channeled or speaking with an earth human from the comfort of their mother ship, claims building the pyramids -- each for a different reason. :wall:

Add these to the countless other explanations for the pyramids and it's a quagmire.

True, I'm only focusing on the pyramids explanation at this point, but, there it is. Much of the rest is not too dissimilar to several other documents so there is some continuity.

5000 years befor The Domain commits the resources to get rid of the Empire traps. Can we wait that long?

No mention so far of 2012-like ascension to the next level/dimension/density.

Anyway, interesting so far...


The best explanation I've heard of the pryamids is that they were multi-pupose, everything from landing guides and lights, to regeneration, weapons, etc. depending on the crystals powered up inside them. Somehow this just sits right with me.

14 Chakras 06-02-2009 05:28 AM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
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Originally Posted by Antaletriangle (Post 114554)
I,for one found the interview very interesting,yet somewhat disturbing in a hopeless and desperate fashion-as in i am perpetually/eternally victimised and raped,reincarnated without any memories of my ancient past lives and experiences- for being a threat to an empire that fundamentally no longer exists and no-one out there can do anyhting to help us out of this cosmic crime that's been committed on IS-BE's that are trapped here.Tricked into the light at death go to the light and you are back in the earth incarnation cycle?It challenges everything i have understood about leaving the mortal coil after death...Say you do not go to the light at death from this and end up in a purgatorial state?!
It is more confusion again yet interesting nonetheless.

I think the point of this aliens viewpoint is, that YOU are the IS-BE, you are the co-creator, and when you remember, you are the IS-BE (using the chosen terminology here), you will no longer be trapped in the illusion your just some dude who keeps dying and reincarnating. You are actually the co-creator of the game, you are more than the traps. Ye are gods and you don't have to keep playing the illusion of endless reincarnation if you don't want to, you can ascend past it and play a more sophisticated game because you're a lot more than you've let yourself believe...

seems to me to be a positive and empowering message rather than a hopeless one 2 me :)


P.S. I read a bit further and I can see where the downer stuff comes in because this alien is trapped in it's own ego illusions making claims that it's group 'owns the earth' etc... well, when we remember who we really are, ie. individualization's of the source, no aliens will be able to make this outrageous claim any more :).

TraineeHuman 06-05-2009 08:12 AM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
There are some things that the people posting so far have completely missed. As far as I can see – or as I interpret it --, all the stuff about humans being cruelly enslaved is Ms McElroy’s interpretation, and I suspect certainly not Airl’s point of view. I say this partly because I have my own memories of “the afterlife” and also of civilizations on other planets – memories which, you’ll notice, apparently didn’t get wiped out so much at all. Secondly, let me suggest we don’t get everything in us wiped out, not by a long stretch. For instance, Mozart started writing concertos at age four, and more generally, all the “natural” talents or gifts or abilities or interests of each and every one of us are stuff that we are carrying from past lifetimes. Hence Mrs McElroy’s paranoia that “the Empire” greatly retards our civilisation’s progress basically doesn’t seem true to me. A Mozart (or whoever) gets reborn with all his abilities in a form that makes it easy for him to relearn his skills, but he has to invent a new style of his own instead of the somewhat stale situation where he keeps perpetuating his old style. Actually, I’ve noticed that people very often have much the same profession (or a couple of or three possible types of professions) from one lifetime to the next. You may also know that past life regression reveals that often a person’s biggest psychological problems in life come from things in past lifetimes – that, obviously, didn’t get wiped out. (I also consider that past life regression can be quite dangerous – but that’s a whole other discussion.)

That brings me to my next point. Being a social worker, I know for a fact that for most people the traumas from their current lifetime are far too much to face – and that they spend their lives unconsciously finding ways to escape being reminded. If people were able to remember the traumas from all their past lifetimes, I know very well most of them would go insane because they would be carrying far more problems on their backs than they could cope with. So, I’d like to suggest the possibility that the wiping of all the superficial details from a person’s memory after death is in most cases a very compassionate act. I’d like to suggest that ETs are generally much more compassionate than humans – and that, just “maybe”, that would even include those from “the Empire”.

So I’d like to suggest that readers of Mrs McElroy’s book should take care to remember that we are getting the author’s version of Airl and not Airl. I find the book totally credible (and more accurate than, say, Alex Collier) – but only after this adjustment for the author’s possible misinterpretations has been made.

By the way, I don’t see myself “trapped” into reincarnating by some cruel tyrants. As I recall, after my previous lifetime was over I naturally reflected on it, and I made a bunch of judgments about myself which gave me a strong desire for a chance to try again. Then I was in a fantastically tranquil and subtly beautiful place. Eventually, though, it was gently pointed out to me that I’d expressed a strong desire to come back for another round. I was very politely escorted to something that was like a well, or maybe kind of a big telescope, with something like movies playing at the other end. The “movies” showed a number of different scenarios, which were possible families where I could reincarnate. The families were selected because – as I could clearly see – they were exactly what I had voluntarily felt I deserved when I had judged my previous life just after it had ended. I won’t tell you the details of what happened next, other than that I found myself swept along by a kind of current and ending up watching the parents I had selected making love. I kept flipping between identifying with a sperm, with an ovum, and with my parents. Since the ovum was something like a thousand times bigger than a sperm, the scenery changes were a bit confusing. It wasn’t until I was eventually born (with a guardian angel telling me to go for it in the next few seconds or I would be too late) that I got “hit” by how relatively horrible the energies were of some of the negative judgments I had voluntarily made about myself. It’s taken me decades to heal myself of those negative self-judgments. One thing I do urge people to do is learn to like themselves. The truth is, most people don’t like themselves, deep inside. I’ve certainly worked at liking myself and accepting myself, because that will save me from some of the negative judgments after I die.

Anyway, my point is that I don’t believe it’s sensible to be paranoid about issues Mrs McElroy but not Airl was paranoid about. There are of course enough real things to address as it is. Humanity will certainly experience a giant leap into a golden age soon (though I don’t know anything about a “change in density”). Nevertheless, all my amateur remote viewing efforts suggest that all the probable futures involve a transitional period of lawlessness – a kind of planetwide “wild West” – for the next generation. But as I understand it, the primary way we can become “lightworkers” is by learning how to face and heal all our traumas. That’s how we’ll become stronger, and then any aliens who might want to exploit us at some level (if there are any – I personally haven’t encountered any) will have to seek elsewhere.

micjer 06-05-2009 12:50 PM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
Thanks for sharing this Trainee H, this is very informative. Kind of weird that you watched your parents make love. Did you tell them? hehe

I agree that so many people don't like themselves. The dam TV and movies play a huge part in this, especially in the western cultures. How often have you heard women (and men) talk about how fat they are, or how skinny they are? Who says you have to look like Barbie and Ken?

This starts in preschool also , as other kids can be so mean to others, that "don't fit in". People dislike themselves because others don't like them.

This is so wrong. People end up on drugs or booze because they can not live up to other people's standards.

It is a very hard thing for many to like themselves, but I agree 100% that this is the key. To hell with others think!!!

Thanks for sharing your other info also, (sorry got off on a rant!)

YouTube - Montgomery Gentry - What Do Ya Think About That

drakishar 06-05-2009 02:31 PM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
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Originally Posted by micjer (Post 142921)
How often have you heard women (and men) talk about how fat they are, or how skinny they are? Who says you have to look like Barbie and Ken?

That is not true.
I am overweight also. And i am like that cause i sit on a chair all day long and i am too lazy to do some sport.

That is the problem with most ppl. Man is getting fat because he is too lazy. But most of them are just stupid.

Aril was right in that book.... Why would you use such a weak body as the human body to store a spirit in it ? You could aswell make that body from titan . ......

The ideea from the book is nice , but i stop belived in it when she started to explain the history events of the current humans.... I was expecting someting more from an superior allien. Also the way that the OLD Empire or The Domain are described .... Common... Any inteligent form with an IQ over 200 lets say will not ever use that form of goverments.... its just not productive enaugh for your race or your show ....
Anyway was a nice SF story :) .

Carol 06-06-2009 03:19 PM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
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Originally Posted by drakishar (Post 142942)

The ideea from the book is nice , but i stop belived in it when she started to explain the history events of the current humans.... I was expecting someting more from an superior allien. Also the way that the OLD Empire or The Domain are described .... Common... Any inteligent form with an IQ over 200 lets say will not ever use that form of goverments.... its just not productive enaugh for your race or your show ....
Anyway was a nice SF story :) .

This is what makes me suspect that this info was generated by the reptilians lying their arses off about who they are again.

14 Chakras 06-06-2009 10:38 PM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
Sounds like a fairly legitimate interview to me... seeing the world / universe from one particular aliens perspective, then filtered through one particular humans perspective...

I find Airl's perspective quite interesting (and personally I see this as Airl's interpretation moreso than McElroy's, just my take). She appears to see only negativity here on this earth. She says this is because we can't remember all of our souls journey through the billions / trillions of years of existence, so according to her we are all slaves on this prison planet or whatnot.

However, her own lack of display of love and emotion, coupled with the description of her so advanced group 'the domain' participating in nuclear warfare with some other group 'the old empire' and being very structured in a military kind of way, go to show trillions of years of scientific advancement don't always have the effect of raising us up into the understanding of what God is and who we really are.

Perhaps there are bigger forces at play here and a bigger plan at play here than Airl and the domain realize. Perhaps, like most alien species, and like she accuses humans of being, they are caught up in their own particular illusions that are just as much a trap for their own progression as the earths illusions are for humans here...

Maybe in addition to the earth being a dumping ground for various alien races, there are many volunteers that have come here at this time, to be a part of this experience and to help raise up such a dense part of creation into one of the brightest spots in the galaxy.

Maybe the "lost battalion" of the domain will make more progress on their own spiritual and consciousness growth in a few decades here on this 'prison planet' than a million or billion more years as part of the domain going about conquering the universe and fighting the old empire.

Maybe the veil of forgetfulness is partially a blessing because we are able to try out so many different roles and experiences and find perfection that way, rather than being identified as some ego for trillions of years and not experiencing all the roles. Maybe it enables us to perfect the heart through all of these different experiences.

Maybe part of the plan here comes from a much higher level of consciousness, and it involves raising up many different soul types, consciousness and groups in this dense environment in such a way that it transmutes many of the illusions that the rest of the galaxy is under. Maybe so many different types of alien souls embodied as humans now learning to get along here on this planet will show the way for them to do so in the rest of the galaxy.

Perhaps planet earth has been chosen by the teachers of the schoolroom of the universe as the staging ground for the turning point in the entire milky way and beyond, the turning point in raising up the galaxy beyond duality and back onto the divine timeline.

And as a side thought, maybe Airl was not rescued by her group after leaving her body and she too got stuck here and is now embodied here under the same illusions we are... maybe she will connect to the heart here in ways she has not done in millions of years with the domain and make more spiritual progress in one or two short lifetimes than in the past hundred million years with the domain?

Although the earth has many traps, it also may provide the greatest opportunity for progress.

I know that I'm happy to be here at this very exciting time, and to do my part to help set things right, regardless of whether I can remember the past trillion years or not...

Interesting interview nonetheless :)

P.S. Trainee that's a very interesting story about your viewing your own birth. That's quite a picture you present, I imagine most of us go through something similar, but very few are blessed with that kind of memory. Thanks for sharing.

TraineeHuman 06-08-2009 03:27 AM

Re: Allien Interview by Matilda O'Donnell MacElroy
 
Great post, 14Chakras. I’m sure that many or all of those delightful “maybe …” statements you made are true or largely true. And that’s such a great example of how taking a positive or creative viewpoint reveals truths which it’s impossible to see as long as one stays with a negative point of view. What I mean is that the positive isn’t some kind of mirror image or negative (as with a photo) of the negative point of view. It’s mind-bogglingly more, and better. And “maybe” the big picture is that the universe is ultimately working to certainly achieve an incredibly positive outcome in the long term. That’s even in spite of however much suffering may be coming to people on the planet soon because we’ve polluted the environment so badly – and far worse so than the media have been instructed to inform us.

I didn’t really have body-image so much in mind when I said it’s crucial for us all to like ourselves at a deep level. After all, very few of us look anything remotely like film stars, and even the film stars age quickly. I believe we all need to put lots of attention on liking ourselves more, on the inside – because maybe that’s one of the biggest keys to unlocking the power and the spirituality and the beauty inside all of us. We also need to really accept ourselves because otherwise we’re not even accepting reality. I mean, it’s dumb not to accept whatever is, and then we start from there. Also, maybe what is is truly beautiful and lovable already, just as it is? Even with all the b.o. and indeed all the problems and craziness of living, not to mention TPTB.

As far as reptilians go, I’ve had some contact with them in astral form and the ones I’ve met have been very benevolent to me and extremely intelligent. (Well, I did encounter some kind of entity once which maybe could have been reptilian and it was connected with a world war scenario and yes, it was nasty.) But the times when I’ve had reptilians by me have been times when I was being exploited in some way, and the reptilians seemed to do a much better job of extricating me from those situations than any of the many other benevolent beings who also tried to help. This leads me to wonder to what extent many statements about “reptilians” are based on first-hand contact.


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