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Josefine 12-25-2008 06:23 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
We are multidimensional beings, our DNA is multidimensional.

Our DNA, which is a language in itself, 'reads' symbolic language and 'translates' it.

Czymra 12-25-2008 06:49 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stiros (Post 97820)
About symbolism and/or individual knowledge.
I have participated in an alpha-course (religious) and when I asked for example, how God communicated with them, they often said; through quotes from the Bible.
My comment to this is, that “the communication” is in a telepathic way or that thoughts are transferred to them, and then they convert these thoughts to words themselves.
I have not a religious background, so I don't know the Bible by heart, so my knowledge is not the same.
I think, I have a more technical, or a little bit spiritual, way of looking at things.
One day I was meditating, and I guess that I was angry at God, so there slipped away a thought as follows:
....“And God is supporting the wrong team”....
And immediately, I got an answer, very strong, even though my eyes opened.
Exactly, this feeling, never happened before.
It seems to me that everything in the surrounding including myself felt this burst of information.
And the message with my way of comprehension was totally clear:
“God has his laws of physics to follow” (translated).
What I mean is that symbolism is only communicating with the person who is familiar with the symbolism.
Symbolism is only a hidden language, of course with a purpose (power?).
But it is important to know our history.
Comments appreciated.
Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

Exactly, it's about interpretation and hopefully a correct one. I wonder however why it wouldn't be possible for man to understand those dynamics that form a 'message' itself without interpreting it through any set of symbols (a language), why not learn to tap right into the abstract? Isn't that what meditation and clearing the mind is all about? This seems the most efficient as it is devoid of objects and meaning.

To further illustrate what I mean, and maybe someone with any telepathic notion can correct me on that, but I didn't imagine telepathy to work anything like you 'hear/see' on TV, where there is a voice or a thought that forms thoroughly (that's like a voice). I would think that telepathy, if tuned in properly would be instantaneous 'thereness' (not transmission and thus no language) of knowledge/wisdom/clarity whatever.
Even all these words refer to a transmission not the state of understanding.

As a filmmaker I'd be glad to learn that symbolism isn't just empty 'meaning crafting', but seriously, how could I possibly say that the Y means 'non-duality consciousness' and that only, all the other 'interpretations' are wrong.

As I said, I'd be glad to stand corrected but I have yet to see any convincing argument why it exerts any force at all that can actually be specific to the 'occult' or anything else. I worry not about electromagnetic traces that are given off by drawings etc. I don't doubt that, but the way they influence their surroundings, whether they isolate you from radio beams or whatnot, can not be that universal to suddenly channel a demon or so. I've never experienced anything that couldn't be explained by a good bit of good circulation or paranoia.

stiros 12-25-2008 07:08 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 97822)
We are multidimensional beings, our DNA is multidimensional.

Our DNA, which is a language in itself, reads symbolic language and translates it.

I fully agree that we are multidimensional beings.
And DNA seems to have it's own life, so I agree to that also.
And I have read somewhere that for example the alpha, the omega and even the the swastika symbols, are “preferred electron paths” viewed from certain angles of an atom itself, or something like that.
I don't remember which atom, it may have been carbon.
Maybe we are stronger than that, and what we believe - is the truth.
And consequently if many believes a certain thing it is much stronger.
But I can see different approaches to “things”, and they all seem to work, if we believe so.
So, maybe you are right about symbols.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

777 The Great Work 12-25-2008 07:37 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 97828)
Exactly, it's about interpretation and hopefully a correct one. I wonder however why it wouldn't be possible for man to understand those dynamics that form a 'message' itself without interpreting it through any set of symbols (a language), why not learn to tap right into the abstract? Isn't that what meditation and clearing the mind is all about? This seems the most efficient as it is devoid of objects and meaning.

To further illustrate what I mean, and maybe someone with any telepathic notion can correct me on that, but I didn't imagine telepathy to work anything like you 'hear/see' on TV, where there is a voice or a thought that forms thoroughly (that's like a voice). I would think that telepathy, if tuned in properly would be instantaneous 'thereness' (not transmission and thus no language) of knowledge/wisdom/clarity whatever.
Even all these words refer to a transmission not the state of understanding.

As a filmmaker I'd be glad to learn that symbolism isn't just empty 'meaning crafting', but seriously, how could I possibly say that the Y means 'non-duality consciousness' and that only, all the other 'interpretations' are wrong.

As I said, I'd be glad to stand corrected but I have yet to see any convincing argument why it exerts any force at all that can actually be specific to the 'occult' or anything else. I worry not about electromagnetic traces that are given off by drawings etc. I don't doubt that, but the way they influence their surroundings, whether they isolate you from radio beams or whatnot, can not be that universal to suddenly channel a demon or so. I've never experienced anything that couldn't be explained by a good bit of good circulation or paranoia.

what i was trying to convey is that the english alphabet is a divine structure within itself. if we look closely with surrender we can see the femi nine and mascu line qualities in the words and letters. This language is based on the hebrew and greek. for example ,Eve=evolve event, evening,evil,even . male and female = k x w m H Words are the double edge S word

The swatika is FFFF or 6666 the list goes on

Words are disappearing because the symbol trancends all spoken language. The deepest wisdom has been passed down through symbol.

stiros 12-25-2008 09:27 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 97828)
Exactly, it's about interpretation and hopefully a correct one. I wonder however why it wouldn't be possible for man to understand those dynamics that form a 'message' itself without interpreting it through any set of symbols (a language), why not learn to tap right into the abstract? Isn't that what meditation and clearing the mind is all about? This seems the most efficient as it is devoid of objects and meaning.

To further illustrate what I mean, and maybe someone with any telepathic notion can correct me on that, but I didn't imagine telepathy to work anything like you 'hear/see' on TV, where there is a voice or a thought that forms thoroughly (that's like a voice). I would think that telepathy, if tuned in properly would be instantaneous 'thereness' (not transmission and thus no language) of knowledge/wisdom/clarity whatever.
Even all these words refer to a transmission not the state of understanding.

As a filmmaker I'd be glad to learn that symbolism isn't just empty 'meaning crafting', but seriously, how could I possibly say that the Y means 'non-duality consciousness' and that only, all the other 'interpretations' are wrong.

As I said, I'd be glad to stand corrected but I have yet to see any convincing argument why it exerts any force at all that can actually be specific to the 'occult' or anything else. I worry not about electromagnetic traces that are given off by drawings etc. I don't doubt that, but the way they influence their surroundings, whether they isolate you from radio beams or whatnot, can not be that universal to suddenly channel a demon or so. I've never experienced anything that couldn't be explained by a good bit of good circulation or paranoia.

For example I can program the sensitivity in my fingers to sense, whatever impossible thing I want to sense, that is what I believe, and it seems to be very real to me, in the physical world too.
These “shape of the entities” is a creation by yourself as I understand it.
I know people that see illness on people as parasites, but I feel it like an anomaly in the aura, which I detect with my hands.
Remember do NOT listen to much, of what other people says, instead try to feel every feeling in yourself, just “float around” and feel yourself. After a while you will find out different ways to perceive “things”, and use this “perception” as an instrument, regardless what everybody else is thinking and doing.
The point is, that you evoke these “virtual realities” by yourself, according to my opinion.

If I hear I voice in my head or in my ears, I will not trust it at all.
As I understand it, it is possible to transfer “voices” directly to me, with different techniques for example, with proper electro magnetic waves, and also with audio waves directly or via “difference-signals” (I don't know the proper word right now).
For example two beams 50 kHz and 51 kHz from different directions into my ear, then I will hear a 1 kHz signal in my ear.
These higher audio frequencies are very easy to direct.

Telepathy is “thought-communication” according to me (the rebellious one), see below:
For the moment I have to get a feeling of a “burst information” (1), and then that it take a very short time(2) to interpret, at that point I know the information, and then feel the entities “inner emotions”(3), in some way, who I communicate with.
If I don't get 1,2,3 (above), I don't trust the communication.
I am aware of that, there maybe exist a possibility to deceive me with some “friendly emotions”, but for the moment I don't think so. Anyhow, this is what I believe.
I have met strange entities, but the communication is also strange, not friendly, for example the message “Who the f**k are you” and “What the f**k are you doing here”(translated). Because I was not afraid of them, and I think, they knew that I was not their type. :)

I try to not complain to God any more, because I felt in fact some kind of tiredness in him.
And in fact I got “wet eyes” and felt a strong friendship to God in that encounter.
This shouldn't be possible, for me, according to many religious people, because everything must go through Jesus in some way.
I didn't understand it exactly, but that is what THEY believe, and not what I believe. Right?
So next time a was angry during a meditation, I “attacked” Satan instead, very strange meeting.
It was not, what I thought, he was to me, big, a little bit fat, and have strange eyes, with very short eye lashes and fat skin around the eyes, he didn't look well, and he didn't met my eyes.
No clear communication at all, I only felt loneliness and inactivity in him.
In fact I felt sorry him, maybe it was a deception, I don't know.
Anyhow, I left and sent love and light to him: Was that wrong? Not according to me.

I have made an experiment trying to enter the so called “acacia library” to find technical information.
In fact a very “down-to-earth” question, about what gear-wheels to use in a lathe to create a very special thread that I wanted.
It seemed to be impossible what I saw, with limited possibilities, it looked like I was missing two gear-wheels.
I thought I have to order new gear-wheels.
Anyhow I tested the “acacia-library” and tried to follow difficult instructions, which is not very easy when you are “half asleep”, I did not succeed.

So rebellious as I am, I asked a simple question directly, during meditation and then I went to bed.
Immediately in the following morning, I had a “memory of a picture” of the solution.
Note, that I did not see a picture, I just had the “memory of a picture”.
And I also got a second “input”. it was a “memory of a picture” of a certain book, that I should have.
I had a lot of books.
So I search out this book, and found all kind of formulas in it, which I needed.
With these two inputs, I solved the technical problem, and it worked very well.

So my experience is: Listen to yourself and do what you believe is right.
Honestly I don't think there is just one way, there are many, just pick one.
Comments VERY appreciated :)
stiros

Czymra 12-25-2008 11:12 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
I suppose what you are communicating here is that it's all up to the indiviual person and especially the paradigm that person employs.

I see great sense in that, and I suppose that this is a matter that explains both, ascension and going beyond it. I think I'm slowly getting the grip of this and of course, I find more of it in myself than in this discussion, but it certainly drives my wa/ondering.
Thanks to all.

Josefine 12-26-2008 09:42 AM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
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Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work (Post 97833)
what i was trying to convey is that the english alphabet is a divine structure within itself. if we look closely with surrender we can see the femi nine and mascu line qualities in the words and letters. This language is based on the hebrew and greek. for example ,Eve=evolve event, evening,evil,even . male and female = k x w m H Words are the double edge S word
.

I am familiar with the work that Shakespeare (=Francis Bacon, a freemason) did on the English language, along the lines you mention.

I have read Oasphe, a tome of a book published in the 1880s, which also deals with languages and symbols extensively. It claims that it will become clear to us in our time how all the languages of the world are related to each other. I do not have the book handy at the moment, but will later. There are a couple of simple and usfull insights there on symbols and language.

stiros 12-26-2008 07:05 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work (Post 97833)
what i was trying to convey is that the english alphabet is a divine structure within itself. if we look closely with surrender we can see the femi nine and mascu line qualities in the words and letters. This language is based on the hebrew and greek. for example ,Eve=evolve event, evening,evil,even . male and female = k x w m H Words are the double edge S word

The swatika is FFFF or 6666 the list goes on

Words are disappearing because the symbol trancends all spoken language. The deepest wisdom has been passed down through symbol.

OK, I confess, that I have a “negative bias” against everything that is freemasonry and alike, for example symbols.
But in fact the power elite has infiltrated the freemasonry and stolen the organisation so they have probably stolen all their symbols too. So the reaction from my part was improper.
It's like God, people kill in God's name, but in fact it is the people which are doing the killing, not God.
But God is in a way blamed for it.
I understand the mechanisms of different paradigms too, that is what I believe anyhow.
I have often wondered ,why the English language has such a beautiful word as “present”, which means “now” and at the same time “gift”, and I think this is deep and beautiful.
For me this is divine.
But then we have a lot of words, that I dislike, it sounds as a language made by “control freaks”.
For example: treasure as in “pirate's treasure” and “treasure department” or information as “in formation (two words)”, even the double meaning of intelligence, and so on, typical “master race” expressions.
I understand your point, it's what I believe anyhow.
So in an earlier “paradigm”, the symbols where very important, and we have inherent parts of this symbolism.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

777 The Great Work 12-26-2008 09:01 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stiros (Post 97936)
OK, I confess, that I have a “negative bias” against everything that is freemasonry and alike, for example symbols.
But in fact the power elite has infiltrated the freemasonry and stolen the organisation so they have probably stolen all their symbols too. So the reaction from my part was improper.
It's like God, people kill in God's name, but in fact it is the people which are doing the killing, not God.
But God is in a way blamed for it.
I understand the mechanisms of different paradigms too, that is what I believe anyhow.
I have often wondered ,why the English language has such a beautiful word as “present”, which means “now” and at the same time “gift”, and I think this is deep and beautiful.
For me this is divine.
But then we have a lot of words, that I dislike, it sounds as a language made by “control freaks”.
For example: treasure as in “pirate's treasure” and “treasure department” or information as “in formation (two words)”, even the double meaning of intelligence, and so on, typical “master race” expressions.
I understand your point, it's what I believe anyhow.
So in an earlier “paradigm”, the symbols where very important, and we have inherent parts of this symbolism.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

I agree, the labeling of info and people and ideas is what has stunted our growth. The so called free masons own nothing. i feel we should seek truth if it comes from a mule. I finally realize that is the light and not the bringer of the light. Theses ideas and symbols belong to humanity and we have been kept in the dark concerning their energy and meaning.

Sir Francis bacon formatted the English language based on the esoteric ideas of the hebrew kabalah.All the words that are used to scare us are truly divine beneath the surface.If i knew that Y2k meant duality, i wouldn't have taken my duality ie 401k and bought food for three years.:lmao: Those three letters had a majority of the masses going nuts.

Its is the simple things that we ignore that have such an impact on the human physche. For example i live in Phoenix Az and there are houses setting one or two doors down that are exactly the same. This alone is a perfect example of humanity being given everything without having to think and be creative. There is a concentrated effort on this globe to supress creativity. The really great artist are told they have no talent and the talented singers are never heard in the public arena. Just like Prometheus stole fire from the gods, we have to steal these secrets and express our creativity beyond the babylonian state of mind.

Czymra 12-26-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work (Post 97949)
Its is the simple things that we ignore that have such an impact on the human physche. For example i live in Phoenix Az and there are houses setting one or two doors down that are exactly the same. This alone is a perfect example of humanity being given everything without having to think and be creative. There is a concentrated effort on this globe to supress creativity. The really great artist are told they have no talent and the talented singers are never heard in the public arena. Just like Prometheus stole fire from the gods, we have to steal these secrets and express our creativity beyond the babylonian state of mind.

Well spoken. Still, is it not wiser to look for what unites rather than what is powerful?

Josefine 12-26-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 97958)
Well spoken. Still, is it not wiser to look for what unites rather than what is powerful?

We have a heritage, roots. We cannot tear them up without being disconnected.
We may perceive how we are connected, to what stories and for what purpose, and then, when understood, we may reconnect and choose again.

We went into duality, by choice, we went into onesided duality, with one half, the female wisdom aspect, buried, by choice. We did this in order to experience, simply.

Now we know.

We see where we are by reading signs everywhere:

MOUNT-EVE-REST is one example. We have chosen to remind ourselves and each other by leaving little notes here and there.

777 The Great Work 12-26-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 97958)
Well spoken. Still, is it not wiser to look for what unites rather than what is powerful?

I agree with you, i was saying that no two trees are alike and that we should embrace our differences and not put them aside.It is our differences that shows our unlimited potential.it is the way that nature expresses herself through variety and multiplicity.

Regardless of the symbols are language, they are both useless without the conciousness. I feel there is nothing wrong with power as long as it is navigated with ethics.

Czymra 12-26-2008 09:58 PM

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I'm afraid that ethics are what may stand in our way in this 'battle'.
If not, then we need to go through a process of clearing the real ethics from the BS, and it better be quick.

But thanks for pointing out yet again, that duality is unity, that difference is oneness. I really should remember by now. ;)

777 The Great Work 12-26-2008 09:58 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
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Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 97870)
I am familiar with the work that Shakespeare (=Francis Bacon, a freemason) did on the English language, along the lines you mention.

I have read Oasphe, a tome of a book published in the 1880s, which also deals with languages and symbols extensively. It claims that it will become clear to us in our time how all the languages of the world are related to each other. I do not have the book handy at the moment, but will later. There are a couple of simple and usfull insights there on symbols and language.

Is this book stiil available? I am a collector of rare and out of print antiques.I guess i can check kessinger publishing.

Josefine 12-26-2008 10:59 PM

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Sorry, can't help you there as this one was purchased many years ago.

Good luck.:original:

777 The Great Work 12-26-2008 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Josefine (Post 97973)
Sorry, can't help you there as this one was purchased many years ago.

Good luck.:original:

I found the free ebook , thank you so much i'm excited. 1300 pages this will keep me busy. I recomend anything by Sir Godfrey Higgins, Fulcanelli and Gerald massey just to name a few.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7800715/OAHSPE

stiros 12-27-2008 05:58 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
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Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work (Post 97949)
.........Its is the simple things that we ignore that have such an impact on the human physche. For example i live in Phoenix Az and there are houses setting one or two doors down that are exactly the same. This alone is a perfect example of humanity being given everything without having to think and be creative. There is a concentrated effort on this globe to supress creativity. The really great artist are told they have no talent and the talented singers are never heard in the public arena. Just like Prometheus stole fire from the gods, we have to steal these secrets and express our creativity beyond the babylonian state of mind.

I agree, that there is no place for creativity, and this is valid in the school system as well.
For example, I know a very talented young person, he plays the piano like a god, and everybody knows it, but he has always had “not approved” in his music certificate.
Just recently he got “approved at lowest level”.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros

Czymra 12-27-2008 09:52 PM

Re: Merry XMAS a window with a view
 
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Originally Posted by stiros (Post 98186)
I agree, that there is no place for creativity, and this is valid in the school system as well.
For example, I know a very talented young person, he plays the piano like a god, and everybody knows it, but he has always had “not approved” in his music certificate.
Just recently he got “approved at lowest level”.

Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros


http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/k...reativity.html

stiros 12-27-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra (Post 98226)

Thank you very much for the “Do schools kill creativity?”-video, Czymra.
Interesting speech.
Love, Freedom and Truth
stiros


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