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I just checked out the HalfPastHuman website for the first time...

It's interesting to me that the website states "Please note that our interpretations are provided as entertainment only." I had not gotten the impression that people viewed the info as entertainment.

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It's interesting to me that the website states "Please note that our interpretations are provided as entertainment only." I had not gotten the impression that people viewed the info as entertainment.

This is a common disclaimer to avoid liability. Some people will act on the information and sue the information source if they lose money on it. I remember with ZetaTalk, people that quit their job, sold their house expecting a pole shift in 2003 didn't react well when the "end of the world" didn't happen!!

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Yeah, I thought about that. But it seems to me that the disclaimer should be worded differently... Something doesn't feel quite right to me...

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The June 8-09 interview is also now posted.

http://kvmr.org/programs/em/index.html

Clif is very aware of his Karma. He doesn't want the burden of his work being used as a crutch by people. People should take their own responsibility in all things. Clif even priced the original ALTA run out of most peoples range of means so as to filter out the prophecy junkies. He even said "we don't want your money" on more than one occasion.

I think it's partly a legal disclaimer, and partly his just wanting people to not depend on his predictive work. He's now shifted his focus from "what's going to happen" to "is there something we can collectively do about it to change the future". Pretty exciting stuff, IMO.

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I remember that from the interview...

:thumb_yello:

Shout it from the rooftops!!

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I am re-posting today in order to focus again on the millions of minions worldwide who carry out the various functions that have the effect of furthering the agenda of the powers that be in their pursuit of their New World Order.

I am struck by the realization that people have to feel stuck. They have to make a living!! How are they to stop being minions even if they want to?

I think we need to be figuring out how the rest of us can help. There must be something we can do.

Does anyone have any ideas?

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How about people making plans to begin establishing a network of bartered food and services to support those who would resign their jobs and begin to provide for themselves in an alternative way?

Is this feasible?

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I would say absolutely feaseable. My mother and I have been discussing a commune type of community where everyone works to keep the community healthy and happy. Your work is your reward rather than working to reward others. Leaves loads of free time to concentrate on taking care of the earth under our feet. which if each of us would just take care of the earth under our feet this place would be one of health and abundence of life and happiness. Tennesee has one of the longest growing seasons and pleanty of wild life for meat and fur for warmth. Thats if we dont go vegitarian or at least anti meat (still drink milk eat eggs and fish for protiene) I like the idea of diffrent tribes concentrating in the same area and begin a barter trade atmosphere. of course it will take currency to get it off the ground but the ultimate goal is to drop currency and operate in goods and maybe even gold? I consider gold a good because it is of the earth and desirable. I think there are manythings we can do we just need to find our pioneers the ones who will break out first to teach the rest. theres alot of sheep that will follow the where ever the grass is greenest and tastiest to them. The american dollar has already started its fall. I personally think its already worth nothing at all there just doing a damn good job of covering this up. Once relized I think these alternative ideas such as mine will become more common. This country wants free trade. we are not a free trade society. anouther of there grand cover-ups. "they" are afraid of free trade because "they" in m my opinion would not remain #1 if free trade actually exsited. theres other ideas too like take the already wealthy that are waking up and get them to focus there attention and welth on worth while projects to start these communities or put there money toward the beterment of man rather than anouther tv and couch for anouther room built on to there ever expanding empire.

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Okay, how can we put these creative ideas to work now so that we can avoid being ushered into the New World Order where we have no civil liberties and we are chipped robots?

Somehow we have got to reach the millions of minions of the powers that be around the world so that they can afford to stop doing what they're doing and we can take control of our future...

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Hi seashore.

Have you grabbed the latest ALTA (asymetric language trend analysis) report called "The shape of things to come"?

The most exciting and intriguing aspect of it from my perspective, is the success the web bots see in the SOC's (self organizing collectives). The web bots are picking up descriptions of the PTB media focusing on some of these SOC's as examples of how things aren't so bad, and that some things are actually looking up and working out. It's hilarious. Because the SOC's are the undoing of the PTB. It's people organizing themselves spontaneously for the good of all involved, instead of for selfish or greedy motives.

The new reports, which will be released as new data warrants, are only ten dollars (US).

The descriptions of the breakdown of the PTB control structures is pretty shocking, but not if you look at is as a necessary "house cleaning". Out with the old, and in with the new.

The latest report can be downloaded here: http://www.halfpasthuman.com/

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The minions will take care of themselves when the PTB can't keep paying them. The linguistics show this happening very clearly, to the point where the US military has trouble bringing home all the troups it has overseas, which it can no longer afford to pay, or even transport home. And the lower echelon PTB minions who think they are players, will soon come to the realization that they were never more than cannon fodder, and when the PTB can no longer pay them, many will turn whistleblower, which is another strong meme running through the ALTA language.

The death of the US dollar, and the meltdown of the huge derivatives monster mixed with the rise in consciousness creates the perfect storm in which the PTB ship will run aground. Much faster than they think, too.

The chaos which will manifest throughout this major change will be pretty extreme, but necessary for the coming transformation.

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We can deal with chaos if we have a plan and we help each other.

Thank you so much for your input.

You have given me something to think about and to research.

Bless you!! :wub2:

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As far as the "minions" Cliff speaks of, most of them are more like pawns, not really knowing what their true purpose is. Granted there are those that feel they are serving their masters well and will be rewarded for it, but in the end they too will be thrown away once their usefulness has ended. Like MyPlanet2 said, at that point I feel many of them will turn to the light and out the evil deeds of their once masters.

As far as your concerns Seashore, I feel that the majority of the population feel stuck, and not just the "minions". As has been discussed in another thread we as a species have lost our true freedoms due to the need to work, pay bills, etc. Granted there are those who have gotten out of that cycle, but few and far in between.

Especially in the US the idea of a community separated from the workings of the system is hard to attain, unless you have private property that you can do with as you wish. Even then due to things such as property tax you can never be fully free of it. However on private land, with solar/wind/hydro power, and a group of people who truly desire a non self serving way of life, a new future can be forged, one community at a time.

Imagine if an entire community got together, raised money, and turned an entire town off of big electric. Now imagine others heard of that and did the same. Soon if everyone followed that path the big electric companies would eventually go out of business or need to change their business models. Same goes for oil and other resources.

I think at this point the best thing to do is to spread the truth, focus on positive thoughts, and believe in your heart that everything will be ok. Since no one can predict absolutely what the future holds, be prepared for anything.

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Thanks, Lorien.

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being a leader is not tuff. making the decision to lead is where the true challenge lies in my experience. Its a matter of " The first step is the hardest step in the longest journey" I think thats how it gose. Its times like these where I say to my self am i really awake or have I just got a taste of what awake could be. I think its the taste and its time to start livin this. The time is soon for me. Now would upset my ballence i need a plan of action. Ill get to work this is true wake up work here. such little things like seashore saying hey go make a comment can change a persons life. :lmao:

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Most hu-mans are not able to enact lasting true transformative change without a period of turmoil...it allows them to unstick themselves from old behavior. The PTB know this all too well, hence the mantra "order from chaos"
The plan has been to gradually up the anxiety and fear, then total turmoil, then offer the solution. In an absence of any other viable solution, their hopes is that everyone will automatically jump into the NWO trap. This is clever, but there is a point at which they become very vulnerable. That is the point where the turmoil reaches a critical mass, and the largest number of people are essentially open to anything other than WHAT IS. I believe this is where a huge groundswell could arise. The only catch is that there would have to be existing alternative societal structure already in place, otherwise you are wasting your energy. People need to see and believe in something that works. So it would fall on the trailblazers to have these structures up and working as a model for everyone to sidestep into. The Handbook for the New Paradigm talks about this moment of opportunity from chaos in detail.

So basically...get your own neighborhood/community working as a well oiled machine with the system you find ideal. When/if the SHTF, you need only be prepared for a flood of additional willing participants.

In my humble opinion, I believe this is what MyPlanet2 is referencing here...
Now barter is ideal, but we still have the issue of many people who may not immediately have a bater-able trade , so then we come to the idea of local/group based money or credits....there are communities that are already starting to incorporate this.. I attempted to start a thread about it last year & a few people posted some interesting links/ideas...

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=1916

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Thanks!! :original: I will read this thread...

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I guess the original article I posted is no more :winksmiley02:

but this system has some potential....
http://www.gmlets.u-net.com/faq.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzXaC...x=0&playnext=1

here is Clif's latest from June 19-09 with Capt. Jack. It's very informative. This should go to the playlist with all 11 segments.

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This quote from the link raises a red flag for me because of the reference to Agenda 21:

“What is the link between money and the environment?

The advent of Agenda 21 has outlined the need for action at a local level to improve the environment. If you stop to think about it, concerted action is discouraged by the present economic system. We'd like to do something, but we don't have the money.

Money is scarce and we will try to spend as little as possible to get as much as possible. We are therefore attracted to imported goods produced at third-world pay rates using cheap raw materials. These materials are cheaper if they are produced by unsustainable methods. Meanwhile our local economic activity is declining and unemployment is increasing. Our manufacturing shrinks, the tax base contracts, social costs increase and there is even less money to spend on improving the environment.”

And this:

"Are LETSystems sustainable?"

That word "sustainable"...

Please see the thread "Agenda 21" of the United Nations

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It looks to me that LETSystems is a company that is doing business in Australia and elsewhere.

Is that correct?

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MyPlanet2 - thanks so much for this, listening now

seashore - hmm...I missed that. I honestly didn't do full background research on LETS, it was posted on my thread and sounded similar to the concept I posted . So I don't know really, the guy who inspired me was Charles Eisenstein from Reality Sandwich...
the article I originally posted is gone, but there are 2 others by him about new ways of doing business...

http://www.realitysandwich.com/money_a_new_beginning
http://www.realitysandwich.com/money...ginning_part_2

if there is some sort of link to Agenda 21 and the LETS system, my sincere apologies. Boy these bastards really make you do your research eh? Its like a full time job for me. Im trying to explain right now to my friends about HR 875, they don't believe that it will squeeze out the small organic farmers because they found some link where some guy says "Nothing to worry about, its conspiracy theories" So now it has become my responsibility to show them exactly where in the bill it WILL harm organic farming.

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:mfr_omg: I can soooo relate to what you're saying.

And I'm so grateful to Avalon for teaching me to think critically and do the research! It's HARD WORK.

Thanks...

I will check out these links...

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I love Cliff. Im on part 6. Thanks MyPlanet.

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I'm inspired too!

My understanding is that he's proposing a system called "demurrage." Money depreciates in value by design. To remain valid, each piece of currency requires a monthly stamp costing 1% of its value. The currency is called "stamp scrip." Accumulation of wealth becomes a burden. Society changes.

This is a paradigm shift.

He said that the system was used in the town of Worgl, Austria in 1932 and it was working beautifully until it was outlawed in 1933 at the behest of a central bank.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/sites..._0.preview.jpg

He said something similar was used in the U.S. after the bank failures of the early 30s until F.D.R. banned all emergency currencies.

Interesting stuff...

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Welcome. I love Clif too. He's got a world of heart.