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It gets less complicated after a while.
Psychiatrist term ego has a different meaning from spiritual term.
Healthy self esteem is good. Pride in what you do is fine. Any positive emotion is good.
So its not a case of throwing the baby out with the bath water. Having a goal, purpose in life. is great. Incentive positive feed back good. Living life to the full great. Just a question of balance, not getting hung up on anything.

Ch

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Yes, Chris, that is what I am starting to see. I only had to remove the strong compulsiveness about it and take responsibility for my part in establishing the negative and positive poles, and then getting fixed onto the negative end of the pole, and now switching over to the positive end, still compulsive. I hope to have that removed before Monday, I'll see.

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Conquer your Fears, & embarrass your pride. Somehow become vulnerable and live in that place for a while.

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Great discussion here.

Redezra, love the Linda Bruce poem.

To me it's important to understand this, we are here to learn to BE. No one can do it for us, we can connect to the divine within and let it be the doer, but we have to make the decision to do so every Now. That's because we're free willed individualization's of the whole. We're not meant to be robots, we're in a schoolroom here to learn to Be even in the toughest conditions where the illusions of seperation seem so real. Only our own false created self, the human ego stands between us and our Divine state of Being where we are One with the still small voice within, the divine direction within.


Yes, the experience of Oneness, the Gnosis Truth, this must be the goal.

I agree with previous thoughts in this thread that the way up is with the guidance of One(s) who are already in that state of Being. Without a teacher we are rudderless in the sea. For example, I believe in this thread a man was mentioned who was not pursuing enlightenment and one day it just hit him. He basically was unable to function in the world for 30 years until he finally got control back so he could be in the world but not so much of it. It most definitely does not have to be this way. The Way up is with the guidance of the guru.

My personal Guru is in my Heart, in the Ascended realms of Pure Being. I work with the Masters through meditation and spoken Word. The path is not for all, but some are indeed called to do so and some indeed do. The inner teacher is the True teacher for me.

On a totally different note, here's a Website I bumped into the other day which shares a similar technique discussed by others in this thread maybe worth reading for some: http://www.seegodseengod.com/god_will_see_you_now

Nice poem Mudra, I like it, emptiness ~ in Stillness within do we BE.

The paper example Redezra you are correct that it is not a good analogy with the multiple sheets of paper. The real analogy is that there is only one paper. The paper has no edges. The paper is the All-ness. The original circle is the creator of this universe and sphere of creation. When the four points in that circle ascend to the level where they are the fullness of the circle each, they each see they are the circle, the original creator point also still exist, and each of the four points is an individualization of that creator point, yet it is also a free willed fullness of the circle. The creator point now is free to go back into the Allness and just rest in the Allness, or create a new creation, an even more complex one as that creator point has learned through all the Eyes in the previous creation.

Each of the four points also each has the opportunity to either just Be the allness or to create their own creation out of their own causal body.

Once a point has Acended to the All-ness, it can rest as the All-ness, and can at any Now, decide to go out and create again as the point. Life is eternal.

If they choose to do so, they do it on the same sheet of paper, only now the paper grows to incorporate their creation. One point may choose to create a universe with flat planets. Another with round planets like ours.

They're both God, they're both creators, they can both rejoin the allness or create their own creations. They can only create what they have earned through their experiences in the previous creation, through the causal body they grew ~ you reap as you sew, the eternal Law. Or they can just Be the allness.

Each point from the original circle that creates a new circle, remains an individualization of the creator of this circle. So each point that creates a new circle will in effect also be growing the experience of the creator of this circle, eternally Now.

And of course every creation by every point in all creations grows the Allness that God is. God is a Living God. God Be's. Through creation, there is a harvest as Jesus discussed. There is fruit.

This is why loving your neighbor is so important. This is not just a dream. This will result in fruit. The neighbor you love is truly an individualization of God, a child of God that can continue to grow in Oneness with their source and eventually create a new creation to add to the whole.

Now all that being said, of course there will be "I"s merging at different points, but in the end there are many more than one "I", there is a lot of fruit.

To illustrate, many people here are individualization's of the same I AM Presence, the same God Being who may have many thousands in embodiment at one time. But when we eventually ascend we don't cease to be, we simply return to our source with the momentum's we've gathered and add to the whole. We remember who we truly are and we are Now that I AM Presence. The ego prevents us from Being who we really are, from Being below all that we are above.

Espavo ~

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Welcome to the thread Boober.
Very true.
Be as little children.
Chris

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How does one discern Truth?
Thats a biggie.

The traditional path is a safe one.

It can be summed up in the first two commandments.
The essence of which are.

Ist Love God with all your might.
The ego hates to play second fiddle to anything.

2nd Love your fellow man (without exception)
The ego hates the thought of anyone being put before itself.

Unconditional love and forgiveness is what Jesus taught.
Nothing else is needed.

The ego cant abide unconditional love where you put the wellbeing of others before your own.
Extreme selfishness is its domain..

Every Mystic/ Enlightened one has taught the same as the first two commandments since time began. There has never been a secret teaching that would take you closer to God.

The Enlightened ones never say, you must follow my teachings others are invalid, because there is only Oneness coming through them without exception.

I went to see Eckhart Tolle in London along with thousand of others at St Jameses' Church. They had to turn people away the church was not big enough.
He quoted Rumini.
The essence of the quote, as my memory, is of essence not detail.
"I am a hole in the flute that the Christ breath flows through listen to the music"
Not the flute even, but the hole in the flute.

I suggest that if you look for a teacher to guide you listen to one who is not even the flute. Eckhart Tolle and Dr Hawkins are holes in the flute. There have been many before and will be again, the music remains the same.

Eckhart Tolle also said that all present (at London talk) would go out and teach without teaching.
Every soul who deeply commits to God, surrenders to the will of God, aligns personal will to His will regardless of religion or lack of it is a silent teacher of Truth.
Every soul who is raising their personal vibration is raising the vibration of the field of consciousness and the good thing is that the closer you get to God, the higher your vibration, the more powerfull it is. One soul with the vibration concurrent in unconditional love is raising the consciousness of millions, not by doing but just by being what they are.
So is prayer and meditation important to the survival of the human race ?
You bet it is.

Chris
Namaste

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For me what was helpful was to focus on one teacher at a time.
Its a bit like the magnifying glass, when it is held steady and focuses the suns rays it will burn paper. I stayed singularly with one teaching not running here and there till I was moved on to the next.

Both Eckhart Tolle and Dr Hawkins were fixated on the truth but had given up on religion to supply the answers.
Dr Hawkins was shown non verbally the experience of the total suffering of the human race since time began, in his youth. From being a religious scrupulosity person he turned his back on his religion, High Episcopal and stopped believing in a God who could allow the human race to suffer.Later he found he was right but only partly in that the human ego cause the suffering not God.
He set forth by becoming a Dr to do what he could to alleviate human suffering but still pursued truth through the intellect and logic, reading the books of the greatest intellects of the world. Then came the moment when he was in depth of personal hell dying from an incurable disease he called out "If there is a God I ask him for help" God shock happened and he came to enlightened.
Eventually resuming work as Psychiatrist he found people miraculously cured by the presence within. Patients, cationic getting up and walking, so many cured. Eventually the Enlightenment matured to the point where he had to leave the world and go and live on his own, an ashram for one he calls it, spending time in meditation, oneness with God.

Eckhart Tolle was similar in that after enlightenment he was able to function in the world for a while, then two years spent sitting in a state of bliss on a park bench watching the world go by.
Both Eckhart Tolle and Dr Hawkins are now actively teaching what they know to be true from their subjective experience, not coming from any teaching, not channeled,though they are a channel but not channeling, however it is the same teaching that was taught thousands of years before Jesus.

To be clear Eckhart and DH are not channeling Angels, Ascended Masters, They are the hole in the flute through which the Christ breath flows through.
Its that simple.

Chris
Namaste.

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[QUOTE=Gnosis5;250842][FONT="Century Gothic"][SIZE="2"]I went through a short period of "sitting on the park bench" and may still go and do that. Watching people go by seems to be a commonplace part of the process.

I like that part in the movie Fifth Element where she is quick scanning the history of earth.
end quote

Hi Gnosios5

Love that movie 5th element.
and the 5th element is Love
What else can save the planet but LOVE.

Ch

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Well Chris, To be perfectly clear, David Hawkins is indeed channeling something. In fact, a significant portion of his work is based around using muscle testing to get answers.

As far as I understand it, he has built a linear scale with a bunch of numbers and uses his fingers and muscle testing to determine what is "most" truthful and what is "less than that".

So as you have said earlier "the book of Revelations" is "less" truthful than Hawkins own work. As is "everything else pretty much except for Jesus and Krishna".

And according to Hawkins muscle testing, which in my opinion it is very hard to argue that this is not channeling, Hawkins is the "most enlightened you can be" as a human, and his teachings are "much higher correlated in Truth than are Eckhart Tolle's, as Eckhart Tolle's are for a "lower level of student"".

To say that David Hawkins does not channel is simply not a true statement. Indeed, like Vestal virgins of old he uses deviation to get his answers, which of course place him and his teachings heads and tails above the rest. Of course I suggest this can have the effect of building spiritual ego in the followers that they follow the "highest and best" teaching and stop them from looking beyond the box of this linear scale of what's truthful that Hawkins fingers have created for them to follow, with him and his teachings at the top of the pyramid.

To me, that's a fair assessment.

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Dear 14. Have you actually read a book by DH all the way through?
Or The New Earth by Eckhart Tolle?
Im no going to disagree with any one about their chosen path, each is right for for the person at their present level of understanding.

Dr Hawkins is accessing the field of consciousness through muscle testing not anyone on the other side ascended master or otherwise, further more the answers can be tested by muscle testing by 20% of the population as fully explained in his books. Muscle testing is using the arm not fingers and requires two people of integrity.

As for the validity of Revelations you would have to ask him, Dr Hawkins or read his books.
He is saying that, that book in the bible was channeled from the lower astral and you know what trouble makers they are. John spoke the truth about Armageddon but it is going to happen in the lower astral realm not ours.
If Revelations had not been added to the Bible then we would have a much more peaceful world in my opinion. That book, Relevations has caused so much fear and division in the world. God is of Love and unity.
Who exactly decided to include the book of Revelations? Many books were omitted

Anyway you are entitled to your beliefs.
Kim Michaels has Eckhart Tolle as friend on his web site, truth is coming from Eckhart.
You will not find Eckhart say one word about Revelations. He is one of the leading spiritual teachers of Now. If Revelations was that important then I think he would address it in his books.
To repeat there is a difference between being a channel and channeling.
Back to Rumini. The hole in the flute, listen to the music.
I am not saying channeling is invalid just pointing out the difference.

Any teacher that says you can be more than God is in my humble opinion saying the same as the devil tempting Jesus. Im not saying a teacher is the devil just mislead.
You will not find one established teaching or religion regardless of place or time that even hints at the possibility of being more than God.
Name one for me.
With love and respect
Chris

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My beloved teacher

http://www.expandinglight.org/i/teac...hrine-gaze.jpg

The eyes say it all.

Love,

Kriya

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Yes the light of God shines out of that One.
His body did not decay on death as is normal, a sign of a pure spirit.
Thanks Kriya for reminding me of the many hours of pleasure I got from reading Yoganandas books. He spoke of meditating and the light that came upon him was brighter than that of a million suns, if my memory serves me well. The Truth was and is revealed by these illumined souls.


This thought arrived in my mind.
Now and then I get pleasure from following logic to its possible end result, a mental chess almost.
I imagine I am playing against a very powerful and clever adversary.
He lures me bit by bit into checkmate.
There is the suggestion that I can be greater than one of the greatest teachers.
That sounds very good, next there is a suggestion that I can be greater than that which created me, I am really interested now, next may well come check mate in the suggestion well then who needs a creator? You can do it yourself.

Well its only a mental game my mind has played.
The ego part of it that is
Chris
Namaste.

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Chris, I'm not clear what you mean by "more than God"? Can you maybe expand on what you're trying to get at here. I don't feel like anyone here has ever mentioned anything like that so maybe you can explain a bit.

You brought up one man's name, his name is Kim Michaels. That being said, he's not my teacher, in fact I don't believe I have ever brought him up on this website, although I did link to his site a couple times in my many posts on Avalon.

My teacher is Christ. It lives within me here Now. I follow Christ within. I speak with Christ within. I have a connection, a Heart connection to the Ascended Masters.

There is more to life than we have been told. The reality is that we are in a bit of a prison planet here. The false teachers do not want us to break free. It's perfectly ok for the matrix for us to make some progress, but to truly break free, there is a massive of opposition to that.

The problem with our being here, is we truly don't believe that God is within. We don't believe it. We do believe other very special people can connect to god, in fact, we may even turn them into god, our own false god. We put them on a pedastle and believe they can do no wrong and we don't trust our own heart or discernment.

Sai Baba, was god? Because why he said so? So God sexually abuses children? that's what god does? interesting.

Or maybe, just maybe, these 'enlightened beings', are very simply not God men. They are enlightened to a certain degree, but they still have some illusions. We turn them into our gurus, we see god in them more than in ourselves, and we remain batteries for the matrix.

Maybe, David Hawkins muscle testing is not the Word of God. Maybe the Word of God is much more and maybe it's only accessible in our Heart Now.

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Hi 14
Maybe I miss understood you with your bits of paper.
I am just putting my thoughts out as they arise and never claimed im right.
Channeling is such mixed bag.
The whole of Avalon been on the edge of it seats with such messages as giant ufos coming to "save" us. The story rarely altered just date amended.

The message of Jesus miss understood I think. Yes we can do more on earth than he did here, but He and the Father are One so the idea that we can be more than Christ is duality.

You misunderstand Hawkins which is understand able if you have not read his books. I have been studying the teaching that flows through him every day for years. It took me over a year of being on Avalon forum before I started this thread. So it was not a small undertaking, I like my mind bing silent but I felt the subject important.

Hawkins knows without muscle testing, he is teaching readers how to do it so you can find the answers for yourself.
Muscle testing in the health field is long established as an accurate way of determining health problems, clinically tested Check out the pioneering work of Dr Diamond.
Hawkins realized the answers actually coming from the field of consciousness not a personal field.

The whole concept of Enlightenment is well documented and agreed upon.
If you accept the concept then it is believable that enlightenment is a state that cant be claimed as a personal event a there is no person left at the end of it. The ego dies.
It is a non locality state that is omnipresent, timeless. It is spoken of as "That which cannot be spoken of" as it is not a linear state. It is what remains when all that is not God is removed. Oneness remains. Either DH is in that state or he is not. I believe he is after reading his in detail accounts of his life. You are free to believe otherwise my friend.
The map of consciousness is just a linear description. The map though usefull is not the teritory just a guide on the work neede to transcend the ego level by level by level.

Sai Baba is another subject but he was taken to court in America by a family who claimed to have been abused by him. and after thorough investigation the charges were completely dropped, the prosecutors saying that the witnesses lacked validity.
Baba said of the event. "They only throw stones at a fruit bearing tree."
I dont know what Baba is but through him many people are getting free hospital treatment in India free schooling, fresh running water and he is breaking down the caste system.

Jesus in his life time was accused of consorting with low life, Mary M was accused of being a prostitute and on it went till they discredited him and crucified him.
It is very easy to jump on a band wagon and criticize. Examination in depth is required to validate any claim. I dont place my soul journey lightly in any teaching,
Dr Hawkins recommends thoroughly investigating any teacher or teaching.

I don't have the slightest problem with what people say or believe. I just share what I personally have found to be useful.
Never claimed I am right never will.
Truth speaks for itself it doesn't need me to speak for it far less defend it.

Im sorry I misunderstood you Michael, you certainly make me think, a rare occurrence
:mfr_lol:


Thank you.
With Love
Chris

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Oh on re reading you post Michael I realized I dident respond to part of your post regarding freedom.

Enlightenment is the door to freedom, it doesn't get any better than that in this world.
On a pedestal definitely not.
The sages enlightened ones are here to serve and are totally free of the bondage of this world, free from ego, free from mind, therefore free of all concepts programming belief system the works. The want us to be totally free like they are. They have graduated from the world and don't need to come back, this is their last life time here unless they volunteer for service. Jesus stated he had overcome the world so have they.
They, the enlightened sages, are in Christ consciousness, they are the front runners for the human race, they have made it easier for the next one to be totally free .
May we all experience that freedom soon.

Chris
Namaste.

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There are lots of spiritual teachers out there these days.
It's easy for some to be so impressed with they're teachings, and easily believe in everything they say or do.
As for me, I would rather go by the following Scripture verses:

~ Love & Light ~

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Problem is human beings are incapable of telling truth from false hood.
If we had listened to the teachers we have had since the very begining.
The Vedas, Upanishads, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus all saying the same thing basically love God as God is Love 1st and 2nd commandment then we would not have gone through wars the horrendous times that we have gone through.
Krishna said from time to time I incarnate so he may well be with us now.

The wolves in sheep's clothing, you will know them by the fruits of their actions.
That is why I investigate fully those I learn from.

Anyone who reads "Power versus Force" or "Truth Versus False Hood" by Dr David Hawkins will discover that Kiesthology is recomended as a tool to use to validate for yourself, truth from false hood.

I have put again the link for Hawkins publishers if you go there please read the "about" section and you will see the actions taken by Dr Hawkins.
My suggestion is, don't ever take anyone else's word on something of vital importance check and re check for you own piece of mind.

http://www.veritaspub.com/

Regards to all seekers of Truth.

Namaste
Chris

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~ Namaste ~

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Indeed, the only info I truly trust is that which comes to me through meridian tapping, which is similar to muscle testing. I have not learned muscle testing.

I place my fingers on my chest bone, saying "I am animal, human, divine", ask my question or make my statement, and then lightly touch the pressure points around my eye socket. It circumvents the interference and apparitions imposed by the AI and the Phoenix Project electronics

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At this instant i am living in sorrow and self-pity, and it is not all mine. Planet of sorrow and self-pity, dangerous to be here and still maintain personal awareness. Contamination possibilities. Better to be detached from the matrix.

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Chris,

Even with meridian tapping and muscle testing, I find I must be clear and unfiltered to receive the best truth. Sometimes, if issue is emotionally charged I have to work through it several times.

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Thought that this short video had a great message that reflects with this thread.
It can also be found in this other thread:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...&postcount=278




:wub2:

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Morning Dan
You will find the videos interesting to say the least, he has some sense of humor.
Some one asked him what would he do if threatened by a man with a gun.
His answer was.
"I would put my hands over my ears and say shoot, I cant stand loud noises"

Death holds no fear when the ego is transcended.

Chris
Namaste.

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Tangent Time,
It is dangerous to be in self-pity, I look at this as the ego grabbing a hold. Thats another step is to recongize what type of ego you have or where it hides. Its not necessarily the hollywood attention ho. It could creep out and

do the whole feel sorry for myself thing, especially if its outloud. For me these things when conquered or when one survives the experience, it nibbles away at the ego. It has to learn to hide elsewhere. For me My ego took a

huge hit, when I had a near death experience. I didnt die. but physically i was put in a position due to an extreme surgery. Where I was completely vulnerable. I couldnt move and i went through hosipital stuff, lol, that I just

had to roll with. Instead of hanging on to the trama , i pushed through and came out the otherside with my ego leveled! aka taking down a notch. I used to be a very agressive person, and angry at times, that ego is gone. Its

hard to pick a fight with me these days. Not to say this might be due to me phyiscally not being the same. But either way my fighting ego got its ass kicked. Now this isnt all good because sometimes agression or fighting is

necessary or a certain type of aggresive ambtion. Especially in the workforce or sportworld. What I am learning now is how to rebuild this in a more positive way. Anyway , lol

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Hi Dan
Hope you get as much from the videos as I did.
The books are a little more in depth after he first one but there is a lot in the videos of interest.
He talks to the intellect with slides to begin with.
Some quantom mechanics etc
With Love Chris

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To my amazement there has been over 12.000 thousand "hits" to this thread and many great contributions and there may be more.
Thanks
Ch

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Think being practical my friend is a great help.
Im used to sharing so in a strange way its talking about a situation. event rather than talking about me.

At an AA meeting I heard a Dr say "Is there no such thing as justified anger, after all Jesus was angry at the Temple? The answer was "Jesus wasn't an Alcoholic"
Unfortunately the Dr took no heed and got drunk and died.
Im fortunate in that the consequences of me not learning to at least to tame the ego is certain death. Not being morose thats fact.

So the good news is that I learned to bend with life.
So I am still on great terms with both ex wives because there was an acceptance that things run their course. No blaming on either side, just it is as it is and my 5 children get on well with their half brother and sisters. If I had got angry and blamed then the story would have not had a good result.
Its simple would I rather be right or happy?
If negative thought arises I surrender it to God. He can deal with it far better than I.

Eckhart Tolle made a great difference in my life with "The Power of Now"
all of a sudden the penny dropped big time.
If some one was expressing anger at me I took it very personally after all I was a good person wasn't I? I did my best so why the anger?
Eckhart point out. People are just being angry its not a personal event. If a person is angry and doesn't know how to safely release, it will manifest at the slightest imagined slight. Pain body looking for a feed.
I also learned there isn't an enemy out there, no one to blame. I am responsible for the way I feel and act.
What no enemy? The ego is then starved of drama and begins to dissolve.

There is a consequence for every thought and action.
So as ego disolves right action begin to happen, virtually automatically and the consequences are that you begin to live in a much happier world, your world you made it.

I wrote much more than I intended but it may be of benefit to some one.

Please contribute your story, reader, you could really help some one.

Chris

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Hello Chris,

That meant so much more to me than all the philosophizing. It helps me to see what you really experienced and processed to get where you are now.

One thought was that if a person is successful in stopping to drink then it gives a chance for their liver to heal and it seems that mis-emotional states can be associated with toxins in the liver, although it is not simply a physical issue

The obvious also, is that we are confronting our own ego imbalances, putting our attention on it, so I guess we are receiving the fruits of our labors, not just dancing around the issue with armchair philosphizing/intellectualizing.

I like to imagine that there is some point where we no longer look back and I will know what I need to know to make sure I never get myself in this fix again (unless I want to, lol).

Also, it seems that in my case the peeling away of ego imbalances leaves me feeling like I have it all wrapped up until I hit the next layer, lol. "Darn, I thought I cleared all that out!" is my usual first response.

I have never used my methods or modalities yet to help someone who has urges towards alcohol, but I suppose I would simply treat it as another compulsion. Remains to be seen.

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I'm not sure if I can put truth and reality on the same pedestal. Truthing is for me an ongoing process from one truth to the next higher truth, and all the previous levels of truth still noted because they might be useful to continue to know in order to share someone else's reality.

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I think we can get too complex with definitions and labels.
I helped a couple of people with Bio-energy who were "clinically depressed" They were almost proud that the were "clinically" so, it made them feel special (ego) try giving up something that makes you feel special.
Bio-energy doesn't need to know anything about the dis-ease. Just removes it.
With love
Chris

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The ego loves rumor.




In ancient Greece (469 - 399 BC), Socrates was widely lauded for his wisdom.
One day the great philosopher came upon an acquaintance, who ran up to him
excitedly and said, "Socrates, do you know what I just heard about one of
your students...?"

"Wait a moment," Socrates replied. "Before you tell
me, I'd like you to pass a little test.. It's called
the Test of Three."

"Test of Three?"

"That's correct," Socrates continued.

"Before you talk to me about my student let's take a moment to test what
you're going to say. The first test is Truth. Have you made absolutely sure
that what you are about to tell me is true?"

"No," the man replied, "actually I just heard about it."

"All right," said Socrates. "So you don't really know
if it's true or not. Now let's try the second test,
the test of Goodness. Is what you are about to tell me about my student
something good?"

"No, on the contrary..."

"So," Socrates continued, "you want to tell me
something bad about him even though you're not certain it's true?"

The man shrugged, a little embarrassed.
Socrates continued, "You may still pass though because there is a third test
- the filter of Usefulness. Is what you want to tell me about my student
going to be useful to me?"

"No, not really..."

"Well," concluded Socrates, "if what you want to tell me is neither True nor
Good nor even Useful, why tell it to me at all?"

The man was defeated and ashamed and said no more.

This is the reason Socrates was a great philosopher
and held in such high esteem.

Chris

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Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
Say not, "I have found the path of the soul." Say rather, "I have met the soul walking upon my path."
For the soul walks upon all paths.
The soul walks not upon a line, neither does it grow like a reed.
The soul unfolds itself like a lotus of countless petals.

Khalil
Amen to that Mudra.
Chris

Re: The ego what is it? How to transcend?
 

Pasted from the Eckhart Tolle March News letter.


What is our Relationship with our Personality after Awakening?

We sat down for a chat with Eckhart one afternoon and asked him some questions. In this issue, Eckhart reveals his thoughts on our relationship with between our ego and personality.

Question: What is our relationship with our personality after awakening & does it change?

Eckhart Tolle: Strictly speaking, before awakening, to a large extent, you don’t have a relationship with your personality; you are your personality. If you can have a relationship with your personality – which is the ego, with its way of reacting and thinking, and emotions – who is having a relationship with the personality? What that means is you are witnessing it. There is a witnessing consciousness there, and if there is a witnessing consciousness, then you can have a relationship with your personality. What that really means is, you can be there as a witnessing presence when your ego is doing something silly. And you can laugh at yourself, maybe in the moment, maybe afterwards.

If you are totally in the grip of your personality, or your ego, then of course there is no relationship because you have become it. You’re so one with all your reactive patterns and all your conditioned thinking, that you don’t even know that there’s anything else in you. You are it.

As you awaken spiritually, the awareness that is nothing to do with your personality increases, and the power of the personality, with its conditioned patterns, decreases. Gradually, the personality is no longer opaque; it is transparent to the light of awareness, or consciousness. It loses its solidity. This is why you find that in people who are awake, or people who are awakening, there is more of a lightness to them. If there’s only personality, then there’s heaviness, a psychic heaviness in you. Everything is dreadfully serious, and [you are] defensive, always wanting something, or defending yourself against something.

When you’re relating to somebody in whom there is no awareness, then you always get a slightly uncomfortable feeling, because that person is completely ill-at-ease. Ultimately, all personalities are ill-at-ease. They may pretend that they are very confident, but underneath the role of ‘confidence’, there’s always a person who feels ill-at-ease. They need to prove something, or they want something from you. That’s the personality. As you awaken, that part become a little less opaque and it becomes lighter. There’s more of an awareness that shines through the person.

Ego is complete identification with your thinking and your emotions. When you are unconscious, personality and ego are one thing. As you awaken, you become more aware of your patterns, which may to some extent still operate. I’m choosing to define personality as something that you can be aware of. It was the ego before, but you can be aware of it as patterns that still operate within you. If there is no awareness, and you are it, then it’s totally ego. As you become aware of your ego, the ego becomes the personality, and then you can have a relationship with your personality in the sense that you can be the witness.

If you have a difficult relationship with your personality, that’s a delusion. Then your personality has split itself into two, one part is having a relationship with another, and one part says “You should be better, why can’t you be more conscious?” That means there is no witnessing presence there. One part of the personality is arguing with another. The witnessing consciousness doesn’t judge. You don’t judge yourself in any way, you just see behavior. There’s no good or bad, it just is. The need to be right, for example, is a very common thing with the ego. If it’s a deep-seated need, then you can’t be wrong in an argument. There’s a compulsion to defend yourself. Then suddenly you can see it in yourself. Ultimately, having a relationship with your personality implies that there is a witnessing presence.