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hello dominic 777

why do you think seeing an e would shatter one's reality? why do you think that?

i feel you know more than you are willing to volunteer - why?

bw

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REALITY is a very powerful force...there are millions of ordinary people who do not believe in E.T and some who have the slightest notion.

Even if you preapared yourself for a long time FEAR would still kick in.........what would FEAR DO TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN THEM?..shatter their reaqlity and have a dire neg emotional reaction
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i feel you know more than you are willing to volunteer - why?
send me a pm and ask the questions
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dominic

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i appreciate what yo are saying, still, the reality upon seeing an e.t may only change and not shatter..depends on your personal orientation..

on the other hand, the ones who fear may not see anything anyway..

bw

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If disclosure is done on mass millions of people would suffer,especially if they do not believe in E,T's..i.e .religious people, skeptics etc ordinary people,secondly there is no-one on this Earth who does not suffer from FEAR.

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I think at any point we are given the choice between fear and love. But love is far more powerful. What mother would not run into a burning building to save her child, even if it meant certain death for her? If these ETs are really about love, perhaps they can help us conquer fear and understand once and for all, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

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you think people would be running scared? if so where?
bw

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What I think is, if a person who does not believe in E.T;S IS CONFRONTED BY ONE , or many , this will create massive emotional fear in them, it will shatter their reality
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dom

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And we can thank Holywood for this. The majority of their movies / shows depict the ET's as negative warriors or deceiving beings that are out to take over the world and its inhabitants.

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Exactly micjer,
therefore people already fear E.T's without having seen any.....and religions, sects , skeptics do not believe in them..so the reality of seeing one ,will shatter their reality
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dom

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Therefore would a full Disclosure be wise ,for people who are skeptics...all religions and sects ,millions of peoples reality will be shattered...what do you think?
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dominic

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Actually the Vatican came out recently suggesting that ETs might exist and that such would not be incompatible with church teachings. Curious that they felt the need to come out with this statement now. Do they know something?

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Thank you gwynned ...very wise
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dom

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I feel it has to be done gradually. Actually the way it is happening. More and more sightings. Get MSM to show more and more evidence. Get people talking.

If more and more non believers see things with their own eyes, they will certainly start questioning their beliefs.

Warm them up and then full disclosure. Too sudden and total chaos. There a lot of good folk in the bible belt for example that need a gentle transition. I have some wonderful relatives that have been very faithful to their religion, and for them to have their world turned upside down would be very traumatic.

:mfr_omg:


I wonder what percent of the population actually still believes that we are alone? It actually might be a lot lower percent than what we are told.

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I believe you are right. I don't know the number, but a substantial majority of people believe we are not alone. Logic would dictate that, if the ETs were NOT benevolent, why are they waiting? They would obviously have advanced technology, so it would make no sense to make their presence known but not land and take over, if that was their intention. Why wait? I tend to agree with James Gilliland that there is a concerted effort on the part of some in the UFO world to demonize the ETs to try and protect the interest of those currently in power.

My guess about the Vatican disclosure is that they know what is coming and don't want to look like they've been hiding information or deceiving people for centuries. Just a guess.

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You are correct here I think. If you can't beat them ......Join them mentality. Oh they know! When we look at the symbolism around the Vatican....they know!

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Mnay religions , sects and skeptics do not believe in E.T . and the fundamnetal christians certainly do not...therefore there are billions of people who are still in darkness
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dom

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It is along the lines of still believing in Santa Claus, to think we are alone in the universe. :nono:


Full disclosure would sure cause a disruption at Sunday service wouldn't it.:naughty:

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I agree,
but their are still millions of skeptics and religious people who do not want to believe in it, if mass discloser takes place this will affect them emotionallly and may even shatter their reality .....what do you think?
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dom

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Well put , Jaccquie,I feel the same way as you do,millions are in darkness(ignorance)even seeing films is not reality.. disclosure will cause madness/hysteria in the populace! I think so for the majority of the closed minds this would undoubtedly be to hard to comprehend.Also it will shatter thieir sense of reality .......
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dom

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And here is the number one problem.....first thoughts will go to this movie.

Independance Day....

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thank you micjer, will comment once I have seen the video
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dom

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Why are the E.T.s PORTRAYED AS BEING NEGATIVE......If they wanted to overun the Earth they could have done it a long time ago...therefore what is the reason behind these neg films?
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dom

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This is no different than the way both Holywood and Main stream media portray the Islamic people. Are all Islamic people terrorists. Of course not. 99.99999 percent of Islamic people are peace loving people. There is a very small percent that is not, yet the PTB want us to fear them all.

They are doing the same thing in portraying ET's.

It is all about placing fear into the sub-conscious ignorant minds of the unconscious majority.


There is so much sterotyping in this world. Many americans think Canadians live in Igloos and use dogsleds to go to town.

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I agree with what you say ,there is a great deal of indoctrination and conditioning and demonizing the enemy....any enemy......therefore the question is Why? Why do they make E.T'S negative?
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dom

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The way I look at this is like this.

Let's say you owned a flock of sheep. Now next door the neighbour has a very nice farm with lushious grass. You do not want your sheep to go there however.

How do you keep them from going there?

You implant fear into them. You put up either barbed wire, electric fence or have a border collie to scare them to stay at home.


It is all about fear and control. They don't want us to raise our frequencies. I believe that only individuals that are not living in fear and living in light and love frequencies will be able to see and communicate with these higher density beings. :wub2:

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hello micjar,
again I agree with you, FEAR is the master key used ,however the E.T are far more cleverer than the negs therefore some sort of covert link up has been made by the positive E.T with Mankind...maybe telepahically or in the flesh so to speak,and the frequencies are being raised through the pineal gland and other means,therefore the frequencies cannot be stopped,therefore there is a master plan
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dom

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Definately a master plan.

There are high ranking politicians in on this also.

The one thing that convinced me was when George W was told about the 9-11 tower being hit when he was in the classroom talking about goats. His reaction was one of total non surprise. It was like being told the movie had started, a script that he had already seen. ..... then he stayed and finished the goat story.

Life is a play and we are all just players in it.

Are we under quarantine at the moment. Is this holding up disclosure?

Cheers.

M.

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tHerefore disclosure would not be too wise if it left millions of people FRIGHTENED ....

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what makes you sure that all e.t. are benevolent?

why not speak for yourselves rather than guess what would happen to others..human beings are more resourseful than that..

.i don't think individuals holding the key to disclosure are as philanthropic..and if there was a disclosure, what is it that we'd hear? would we haer the full story?I somehow feel they don't know it either...bw

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Thanks blue , i sent you a pm about it all
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dom

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one more thing

if our reality is unenviable like (greed, illnesses, tyrany, wars, controlm domination), why quite a few a few of you here say , shattering of reeality is unwelcome just yet? how many more eons do you prescribe? disheartening proposition...
the authotities in power don't shun from inducing fear any other way..from what you say, it follows that feer from seeing an e.t. would create a mother of all fears and that the authorities sincirely worry about our wellbeing..i don't feel that's tha case.. bw

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o.k
Thats fair enough.." Have you been confronted by an E.T. whatever species...and would YOU not be frightened?...there are skeptics and religious people who do not believe in E.T'S WHAT WOULD THEY FEEL LIKE?
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DOM

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I had an experience in the SF Bay Area years ago, when I was attending classes at a "psychic church". I had had a NDE and was desperately in search of healing. The class I was taking was about learning to connect with "healing guides" and bringing in their energy to heal ourselves and others. There was an extraordinary young man in the class who kept giving me healings during the practice sessions that practically knocked me over, they were so powerful.
He was such a beautiful person, probably the most beautiful I have ever seen, so clear and angelic looking, with such clear, clean aura, though also very human and solid. He had very clear, fair skin, blond hair and clear blue eyes. He was extremely healthy looking and his energy was very pleasant to be around. I became very curious about him and asked the teacher, a veteran psychic who had been teaching at this school for a long time, if she could tell me anything about him. I was especially curious because he gave me healings more than anyone else in the class, and so I asked her about that too.

She said that she and the other teachers (all psychics) had talked about him and had agreed that he was either an actual Pleiadian or a Pleiadian who had taken a human body for the first time and so was still very Pleiadian in orientation, and they tended to believe the latter, but were not sure. She said the other students in the class couldn't handle his energy and some of them had actually complained! But since his energy was so good for me (it felt like "home" to me, like the energy of my own soul group) she said perhaps I had Pleiadian DNA.
He gave me a reading in class once too, which was very accurate and perceptive.

He was completely self possessed and grounded, very graceful and assured in the way he moved and spoke, but he spoke very little and I never saw him laugh or smile in class. He was "all business" I class. I saw him once outside the classroom building with another student, though, and he was completely different then, very casual and like a normal young guy.

Everyone in class gave him a lot of space, perhaps because they were in awe, though I don't think they were at all afraid of him. I think he tried to appear average and go unnoticed as much as possible. He wore his hair kind of shaggy and long over his eyes, and his clothes were kind of grungy, so he looked kind of like a surfer. A good disguise, perhaps!

I had an experience with him at "night school", which was the classes on the astral that the same psychic teachers held at night. It was the first time I was consciously aware while asleep that I was in the "astral class", and the first person I sensed there was this young man. I greeted him very enthusiastically and then completely shut down, because I realized in that astral realm which was very unfamiliar to me, I was like a big, dumb, untrained puppy who didn't know any better than to bark and paw and jump up on people and lick their faces. So I immediately woke up in a very embarrassed state! I didn't see him again in regular classes again after that, but I saw him once again, this time "coincidentally", out in a public place.

It was the last time I saw him, and I was hugely frustrated because I felt I was never going to get to talk to him or learn anything more about him, and there was so much I wanted to know. An enormous amount of energy came up to be released and it WAS like my "sense of reality was shattered". I also realized he wasn't going to "save" me, and illusions about being "saved' had to be relinquished, much to my disappointment.

I had never before seriously thought about Pleiadians or ETs actually being here on Earth at that time, but it became real to me after that, and so my paradigm began to seriously shift. Besides letting go of a lot of illusions, I opened to possibilities that before then had been only in the realm of imagination.

My problem now is bringing myself back into this reality, because over the years, I have become a bit obsessed! As I'm sure a lot of you on this forum can understand.... :shocked: :lol3:


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There are a couple things I find interesting with regards to Pleiadians.

Gabriel, the mythical archangel, was described a few times in the old literature, particularly the islamic literature, of appearing a blue eyed blond haired nordic humanoid, which fits exactly the description of a Pleiadian from abductee and contactee cases.

Another is their resemblance or rather link to the vril society and occult groups of the nazi era period. Gathered with Adamski's photographic case closely resembling the purported experimental nazi saucers Haunebu.

Adamski claimed they were Venusian.

Could they have been of an advanced human secret society?

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hi there

just why do you wprry about the skeptics and religious zelots? if the skeptics are skeptics, they'll continue to doubt, noone can stop that..if the religious dogma believers are sincere believers, they'd believe that wnat they are seeing is coming from the god - the way they believe in..why pontificate on the way things are to be believed - it's within our individual souls..

yoiur concern is political.

i feel if the e.t presence is positive, it would induce a good sense and if negative - fear , terror, unease..

why are you so protective of our unenviable reality?

bw

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hi onawah

you describe a very enlightening episode from your life experience..you also say that your sense of reality was shattered, but i didn't get the sense that you suffered from it..is that right?
i can see and believe when you say that you are disappointed to not have found out more about your therapist - but would that really be important?.from what i can understand, you have learned something about your own self which i feel was/is the point..

you also say that you are disaapppointed to find out that you won't be "saved" - is that one of the ways your sense of reality got shattered? did you previously really believe that we are here to be saved, so to speak?

best wishes

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Hello Blue
Has no-one ever opened your eyes and made you perceive something in a different way,skeptics have been turned around before...secondly my concern is not political it is altruistic,trying to help people to see REALITY is a matter of urgency as most people are becoming apathetic and thinking by being loving they do not have to confront the FEAR.....pos E.T.'s give out positive data for the good of mankind...its ego pride that makes people deaf and blind and scared.
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dom

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though i try i fail to understand the point you are making..just how do you propose the skeptics may be truned around? if not by confronting the beings outside their system of belief/knowing..same applies to religious devotees..


bw

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Thank you.
Yes, my sense of reality was shattered in a positive way because the experience opened up a whole new realm of possibility to me. I had been severely physically injured in the NDE experience and my body felt like a very undesirable, limiting and claustrophobic place to be. I wanted to escape it to live in a higher dimension, but I saw that this person, living in this very dimension, was at ease in his body and wasn't spending his life in an ashram, meditating and practicing yoga, etc.. I was feeling very sorry for myself, as I was still in a lot of physical pain, but this contact was such a blessing, I had to let go of that self pity in some part, at least.
Although I was frustrated that I was left with so many unanswered questions, I eventually realized what a gift I had been given and became grateful, and hopeful because I figured I must have been deserving of that help in some way. ( I had felt like I must have done something very bad which caused the NDE experience and the resulting disabilty, but after that experience, I was able to forgive myself more and take it all more in stride.)
At that time, there was much more in the way of guru seeking going on in the alternative community and not nearly as much awareness of ET presence. So in my spiritual quest, I had a preconditioned idea of what an Enlightenment experience consisted of. I was looking for teachers and fellow travelers on "the Path to Enlightenment". I didn't equate higher dimensional beings with ETs. Realizing that ETs, angels, higher dimensional beings, etc. were related changed my world view and opened it up in a way similar to the way gaining a better understanding of physics did.
3 D Earth also felt like a better place to be, if advanced ETs were taking the trouble to come here to be with us. I had been seeking an intentional community or ashram or some "safe" (saved) place where I could practice meditation and yoga and transcend 3D reality, escaping to a higher, more blissful realm.
But this young man had shown up in my everyday life without any fanfare, without me seeking him, and he wasn't wearing orange robes or advising anyone to renounce the world. In fact, he looked like a surfer dude!
So my attention was diverted from my notions of that traditional path of the past to something much more contemporary, pointing to a new paradigm and a much more expanded approach to spirituality. I relinquished the notion that I needed a guru and had to escape the world to achieve Enlightenment, and opened to the possibility that I was actually on a good path already, which gave me more hope and a better understanding of what living in the NOW really encompassed (and omitted-- in the way of wishful thinking).
It also gave birth to a new interest--in the Pleiadians. I sought more of the energy I had experienced in his presence and found it by opening myself up more to channeled messages from people like Barbara Marciniak etc. I took all the info with a grain of salt, but the energy was healing and I realized that even if I didn't believe everything, just looking at the possibilities of a more positive future for Earth as a member of the expanded galactic community was helping to ground me more in the here and now. I became more accepting of the possibility that I was probably not going to Nirvana --in this lifetime, anyway, but that Nirvana was possibly coming to Earth! That was very healing for me, because a lot of my emotional pain was actually on behalf of Gaia and the terrible disrespect I saw being paid to her.
I bless that young man and thank him so much for his appearance in my life. It really helped bring about some good changes in my outlook and direction.