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Hi Bill & Kerry,
What's the chance of having a round table debate with Mr Mel Fabregas (Veritas Show), Mr Kevin Smith (Kevin Smith Show), Mr Dick Criswell, Mr Bob Dean and Mr Richard Hoagland on the topics of Mars, Venus and the Moon.:thumb_yello: Which the PC audience can post quetions prior to the roundtable debate? Peace Swift |
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Hey Swift,
Bill and Kerry will be on Veritas on January 14. You can all submit questions via our Web site prior to that day. Cheers, Mel |
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Hi All!
I have posted some scientific content on what Steven Greer 'seems' to be trying to convey about no 'bad' aliens. I have worked on the science of consciousness for decades (I have a science degree, which is a bit old now from Queensland Australia in the 1980s), but specialise in pioneering mainstream standard models in physics (cosmology and particle physics). Now the thing with Steven Greer was the following. I viewed the interview with Bill and Kerry and found Steven's comments in just about 95% line with my own work. Then I watched his Barcelona (or Madrid?) representation and found a GENERAL convergence in his address with everything else know about through my own research. I normally do not engage in 'persona' debates on public forums; but I experienced a resonating electromagnetic 'spark' when I viewed Greer's interview with Bill and Kerry. This wasn't persona oriented, but related to what he said. This is unusual (and I do converse with many people on an impersonal - just data -level) and therefore did I take the time to check things out. Now today, reading much of your comments and the debates here and on the Bill Ryan thread; I learn about 'money' and 'sexual' issues about Steven Greer and this (in the former not the second as the second has rather important implications to 'harmonise' and to metamorphosise the 'old human' cosmic Id into a 'new starhuman' Id) of course does indeed ALLOW a kind of double-agent role wrt his proclaimed agenda. Allow me to state, that I have tried to personally contact Steven Greer via his website and I shall refine my 'analysis' as to his integrity of stated purpose if and when I get a reply from him. I shall inform the forum here about any developments. I have also sent the post (to Steven Greer) to Bill and Kerry. Lastly, allow me to state that there are wonderful people on this forum and whilst there seem to be some disagreements in interpreations; all contributions I have read derive from a well above the norm 'understanding of the true spirituality' inherent in all of the old human caterpillars who have fed enough to enter their cocoons to transform into a new and hitherto utopian 'butterflies of joy and love'. There does exist a 'Secret of Humanity' and this 'secret' addresses your cosmic identies, both individually and collectively. The difference between those two modes (you are all at more places simultaneously and your own doppelgaengers or shadows) - is at the basis of the 'good ET- - 'bad ET' dichotomy. John Shadow |
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I think its funny that early on in this thread that I replied to a post and was "reprimanded" for it by a mod...yet here many others are doing it and none of their posts are being edited by a mod....what the heck? I know the mods do not like me...but fair is fair right?
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Context and recent news:
Hi everybody, this is a clarification note about my previous posts (pag. 20. #478 and pag. 20. #494) regarding “real” versus “faked-Bluebeam” ET disclosure scenario (good ETs vs. dark ETs)”, because today I’ve just read two articles from two PC interviewees (David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford) who seem to give contradictory info about Barack Obama. So, one of them must not be correct. I highly recommend their two articles, they are very interesting. In summary: Benjamin Fulford’s comments about Barack Obama December 28, 2009 http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/ Excerpt: David Wilcock’s comments about Barack Obama Dec-24-09 http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2 Excerpt (Pag. 3-5): Note from qbeac: David Wilcok’s article is very long, I recommend reading the whole thing, but I’ll just summarize several important points of what David says: a) David says there are at least three main factions in the power structure of this world (pag. 3-5): Questions to Bill and Kerry: 1) David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford are both Project Camelot interviewees, but they seem to have contradictory opinions about Barack Obama…Thanks. qbeac. |
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Hi all,
I believe that everything is perfect Right Here, Right Now. And Right Here Right Now is all there is. Forget about the past. It does not exist, except in your memory. Drop it. And stop worrying about how you're going to get through tomorrow. Life is going on Right Here, Right Now -- pay attention to that and all will be well. Embrace the present moment with gratefulness and wonder, and you will turn it into whatever you have been waiting for. :smoke: |
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As far as the Obama opinions, I would have to side with Fulford on this one. Something is just not right with David's story. He is fully defending (and is accusing anyone that doesn't agree of being a fear monger) a communist set of ideals and says that it is ok to do this because they are not one of the other 2 factions, so they must be good guys. I can't in good conscious stand behind socialist ideals because they coincide with a faction that might be behind a disclosure movement. Does disclosure automatically give us free energy, peace on earth, no illness, no war, no pollution and a Kumbaya song for all? I am thinking the truth is what is right, disclosure is right, but it is not going to solve all our problems. Neither is Obama |
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Hi Bill
Would it be possible to get PC whistle blowers and other people you interviewed (including Greer) all together in one room....no cameras...not tape recorders...no "outside people" and let them talk to each-other...exchange experiences...compare notes....solve and re-solve the contradictions.... no need to come out with the working 0 energy device or a detailed plan on how to make it...you made it clear not doing that keeps you all alive...ok but how about coming out (in general...no great specifics if you can not) with some common ground you can all work on.... the point is in getting together...insiders connecting the dots...better organization....better knowledge...gaining an advantage....solving the BIG QUESTION....focusing on the main point....setting a goal....finding the final answer.... i am willing to donate (more than people donate on average) to that cause happening...and I think there are many others that would see the benefit for all of us in this happening that would also donate (if need be)...like traveling expenses etc... etc EDIT:typos |
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Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)? |
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Hi everyone,
I would like to add one other possibility for Obama. We have all heard of something called a "false flag" where the government does something and blames it on an enemy. IMHO Obama is a false flag. He's very charming, likable and over all very entertaining. Like an actor, a Hollywood actor. When Obama was first elected I found the magazines comparing him to previous presidents like Lincoln, JFK and Roosevelt rather disturbing. First he hadn't done anything yet but what I found most disturbing was the trio all died in office. I recall an awful lot of predictions of Obama being assassinated. The new reported he receives 30 death threats a day...something else I found odd for our propaganda news source to report. In all I believe Obama was appointed for the sole purpose of "dying" in office and becoming a martyr. I do not think he will actually die but rather his death will faked. Obama swept away to a isolated island. Once Obama is supposedly dead I expect to see a fury of activity to get non popular measures passed in his memory. Obama has already been elevated by the media to that of a god. They have called him a messiah. Obama is an actor on a stage. |
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You won't get David Wilcock on here where people can say what they want to him, he will only accept Ego stroking and praise, you only have to look at the comments he allows to be posted on his site to see that. Anything that doesn't agree with his views or that arrent complements for him, gets deleted. :mad3:
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The recent comments by qbeac & Spregovori on resolving contradictory/inconsistent information raise an important issue.
qbeac (#527) mentioned an inconsistency in the views of Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock on Obama. Here's another example. In an article posted today, Fulford explains as follows re: the Nov 09 hacking of emails from a server at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia: "Russian BDS [Black Dragon Society] members hacked the East Anglia University computers and proved the "global warming" campaign was based on false data." http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/ David Wilcock provides a very different account in "Disclosure Endgame" part 3: "As of November 2009, the Rockefeller faction -- now in complete free-fall after losing the 2008 election -- was almost certainly responsible for leaking the "Climategate" emails. This was a blatant, desperate attempt to destroy the credibility of any arguments to reduce our fossil fuel consumption -- and thereby preserve whatever shreds of economic power and oil money they still have at this point." http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2 These are very different accounts of the same incident. I agree with Spregovori/532 re: the need to create a situation whereby contradictions in the testimony of PC whistleblowers and others can be resolved. This would help to clarify the point where assumptions are shaping the interpretation of the facts. Ideally this process should be open for input from others. |
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EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything? Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda. And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt. |
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Absolutely stunning interjection Abraxasinas... is anyone paying attention?
I see it clearly that when we or other whisltleblowers use the "positive" or "negative" terms, please discern & keep them in context. What I mean is that, even the "fallen" Zeta (fallen in quotations because it's context that matters), the ones whose agenda has us being taken into the "death" science... they are those have found themselves trapped, disconnected, having resorted to tampering w/we humans for their very survival, being skilled in ways we are not and we being skilled in ways they are no longer able,... that of the heart.... and steering us, quite scientifically, toward what we would normally deem hellish... howEver, it is their only seeming route Out of the mess they are in.... Now.. Doing your own internal cleansing, do you not find within your own lives (this one, as you more than likely have no recall of any other) plenty of experiences that you would deem as not very savory? Are there not defectors all the time from black-hats ?<< whistleblowers coming "clean" after having lived lives orchestrating their dirty deeds for whatever reasons at 'those' times... not to mention that the "positive" Guardians, who are now being depicted as recognizable w/tools to get on board, have RULES... there are Rules, laws of operation, Universal Codes of Conduct, etc... that prevent their intervention beCAUSE WE, duh, have you figured it out yet?are or have been giving our power away, not only out of ignorance but even willingly, as is the case with some of our own human-being-family...<< ignorance/willfull cooperation/ whatever the reasons.. there are LAWS/CosmicUniversal Treaties of respecting a sovereing being (even if you are not cognizant that you are )... the (what we'd deem) benevolent ones do not directly intervene WITHOUT YOUR EXPRESSED INVITATION....howEVER, we do not have enough information or hearted insight to even know for sure who they are... There IS a way... there is Technology... there Is means to gain or shall I say, RE-GAIN what we've given away... How can your decieved mind guide you towards Knowing? THAT is the question. Ask good questions.... Clean House, I think that Greer states that there ARE NO BAD ETs because he realizes that we are ALL one family.... howEVER some of us are misdirected... are you one of them? Are you sure that you are not? What difference does it make if you make a choice NOW, on you knees uncled to it! I hope I've made some sense.. I wanted to write a paragraph or two from Voyagers I... as she posits this idea much more clearly than I do. You must know who it is you are inviting... as it is the point that you DO the asking, the Invite! But you must know who it is you are dealing with, as there are those that are extremely desparate to survive and will do (with more limitations emotionally than your self but with more technology) whatever they must do to survive. I cannot stress enough that we are ALL in this together, not just earth beings.... what is to come down soon involves much more than just we earthlings. Get OUT of your panic & fear and spend just about a week, geesh, a freaking week reading Ashayana Dean's work... take your time because your fear just restricts yourself... just a dazzling week of time. I'm going ahead and sending this and will probably be a bit sorry for it, however, I just, at this point, don't care how I come off... I CARE about all of you, the good and the bad... such an extraordinary time! HeartFelts to EveryOne |
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i do get the feeling that david wilcock is obsessed by disclosure whatever the 'price' might be. his article is however excellent and he does a good job of peiceing the history together.
i like wilcock and fullford but take what they say with a pinch of salt as with anyone else. we do see evidence to suggest a power structure failure in play though whatever that may encompass. |
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Hi Bill,
Hopefully this hasn't been asked before, I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks now and haven't seen this yet... but I could have over looked it. If anyone else who happens to read this has an idea, then please feel free to respond. Question: I, and I'm sure many others, would like to know where we might be able to find some of L. Ron Hubbard's original techniques that were used to recover ones soul memories from previous incarnations... as mentioned in the Dane Tops interview transcript. Hypnosis regression was mentioned in the interview to be not the correct way...which disappoints me because I had found someone local and now I am having second thoughts. Thanks |
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Moxie, this is my life's work, helping traumatized people and beings (remotely in their case) relieve themselves of what has been called modernly, "The Stockholm Syndrome". Everytime we process an "Evil ET" he comes to his sense and takes early retirement. Anyone who is clearing themselves will eventually reach the point where they can look at another being and clear him too. Everyone goes home with a door prize :-) I hope I contributed to the essence of your post. love, gnosis |
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We work over the phone or SKYPE. If you would like to ask him questions PM me. I get no monetary gain from introducing him and I am not clearing people for monetary gain. I have secured my income from other sources and am quite happy seeking my own immortality with some remote processing to help lift the suppression on the planet. Enuf said, others will have something to say too and I welcome other clearing paths and honor them. Gnosis |
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Apparently Bill is not participating for days now and this thread has turned into a philosophical exchange...
I do receive a daily digest as I have subscribed to this thread... and quite frankly, I'm tired of reading "others' thoughts.... why not (everyone) just back off talking at all here... keep this thread Bill's thread.... he will talk back when he's ready.... 22 pages, much of it 'you know who you are" that can't stop piping in w/your "knowledge"l tyvm |
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This IS Bill's thread!!
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I find this thread rather hard to follow and so I missed your post for a while, I apologise for that. The problem is that the ordering in this 'multithread' is not in a time sequence, but in a nesting hierarchy. This nesting hierarchy is very good for a small number of 'subthreads' but becomes confusing if there are many such 'subthreads'. But your comments are aligned with my understanding. I have interspersed here, because you have mentioned 'the giving our power away'. Yes, this is precisely why there cannot be an 'alien physical contact' and 'for all to see disclosure'. The present state of human group-consciousness is 95% aligned with 'normal' 5-sense stimulatory reactivity. And because in the 'cosmic scheme' the major consciousness interaction is from universe to galactic cell to starsystem to planet-moon to regionality to individuated sentience within that regionality; the 'alien' presence must follow the 'natural law' to 'communicate' through this structure of the conduits. Iow, for 'alien physical contact' to occur, and as many already know, the 'mother consciousness' is required to align to the star consciousness and so forth. Then the individual human intelligence is required to act as a data/information collector for the planetary consciousness relying information to the higher systems. This is really omni-science and a physical implementation of the metaphysics but shows that the INABILITY of the human agendas to UNIFY (towards a minimum % of 0.002 or so 1 in 50,000), prevents the 'human groupmind' to act as a COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE. Once there are enough humans, individualised in creativity and being YET UNIFIED in say PHILOSOPHY or (religion or science or some other form of deep inner understanding about themselves, origins, reality etc); THEN this 'STARMIND' will MIRROR in the GAIAN mothermind reflect to the SOLAR Mind reflect back to the galaxy and so on. Most people have it back to front. It is not what the aliens can give us, but what what we can give to them. It is not that we ar3e waiting for them, it is them who are waiting for us. To get the Story about ourselves right - in simplest terms. But I better stop, as this kind of talk seems a little 'off topic'. If you like Moxie, you can start a new thread someplace and we can talk about the details and of course with anyone else who would like to contribute. Abraxasinas |
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Forgive me for posting on Bill's thread without posing a question to him but I didn't want HENNA'S post to go unacknowledged. Your thinking HENNA, on this issue, is pretty much in line with my thinking - sounds pretty level headed to me. :thumb_yello:
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Agreed - I guess there is a remote possibility that he's a double agent working with the Great White Brotherhood and was sent in undercover to make the Elites think he is one of them and then he'll pull a whammy on them....but, naaah, probably not.:nono: Once again - forgive the intrusion into Bill's thread - I'll say no more.
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Hi, i am new here.
After all the info put out and interviews done by Bill and Kerry, it has become quite clear that mankind is at a crucial junction for its future development. At the same time we are under massive influence and attack by the “dark” side in order to facilitate a particular outcome which for most of us is not desirable. The workings of the “dark” powers are by most of us not well understood and definitely underestimated. I guess that just few of us were attacked, manipulated or influenced and came out of it unharmed and complete. Because the playing – level of this “war for our souls” reaches far beyond the material world as we normally know it. We are not talking about weapons or jump-rooms, but about Mind Control, Spiritual Energies, Possession etc. So how to make a difference? How to become spiritually stronger to stand up against the onslaught? Somehow we have to start, and believe me: Its a long way to go from here… There is a saying: “Be the change you want to see”. I think there is a lot of wisdom in it. Or: “Don’t do to others, what you do not want to be done to yourself”. What does it mean practically? We are complaining that the Reptilians are eating human flesh. From their standpoint, why shouldn’t they? They are much more than we are in almost all aspects. Therefore they are regarding us as a resource – as livestock. Are they not having the same approach as we have towards “lower” animals? Additionally we are the only species on earth which is killing itself in Millions, either actively or inactively through hunger, untreated diseases etc. We don’t care for our own species, so why should they? Eat and be eaten, that’s then the rule . An eye for an eye. We are only complaining, because we are not at the top of the food-chain, and therefore we fear to be eaten. Don’t you think a cow would not be afraid, if it realizes that it ends up at the abattoir? Have you heard that the “higher” spiritually developed, benevolent alien races are slaughtering “lower” animals and are eating them? I learned only about “Fruitarians”, drinking “liquid light” or direct energy assimilation. So, for our (selfish) benefit, I want to make a strong case for becoming a vegetarian. In my opinion that’s one of the base stones for a strong spiritual development and protection. You don’t have to become member of any group or sect to start it. If you would really listen to your heart, then you would already be a vegetarian. Before talking about how to gain psychic powers to fight the “dark” enemy, you should be sure about your personal moral stand. Power without love and compassion is extremly dangerous. My opinion is: Develop your heart and LOVE first. Because in that field we are by far superior than the Reptilians and many other alien races. You can´t fight with a Reptilian by using weapons or psychic powers, because you are bound to loose. But what you can do is to respect and LOVE them. Yes , I am serious: LOVE the Reptilians ! Because they can´t stand the high LOVE vibration and they will retreat and leave you alone (probably only for some time until they learned their lesson, because they are very stubborn). That’s how to make a stand and keep the battle ground. Start with yourself: Fight the temptation of the tongue and become a veggie. Then discuss within your friends and family. That’s to start making a difference. Becoming a veggie is a first step to improved protection; because the more exposed you are, the more vicious the attacks. That’s not easy: Once they are hooked into you, your chances are diminished. Many are getting lead away into the dark, only to never resurface without help. While I am not sure that Dr. Greer has been able to protect himself, I noticed that Bill and Kerry are seemingly doing well. And I don’t think that’s only because of the White Hat´s protective Psi-Ops. So, my question to Bill: "You briefly mentioned in the Freedom Central interview that you are doing some daily spiritual exercise. Can you elaborate on that without creating a new sect?":winksmiley02: . |
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i LOVE you people, and i LOVE PC/PA, and Bill & Kerry, and this thread! so much great info .... so many inspiring spirits .... such "inquiring minds"!!! Bill -- this is my question -- do you think there are any defectors from the Reptilian overlords (Reptilian whistleblowers i guess) who would really like to help the "masses" of us to become awake/aware-enough re: the above-top-secret stuff (how we are being controlled/manipulated, off-planet bases and civilizations, free energy, etc.) that we can more consciously and deliberately as a race (human) strive to save our mother-earth and contribute to the well-being of our fellow travellers. In other words, is it possible for these entities ("royal reptilians") to empathize/sympathize with human beings enough to reject their own heritage to try to help us in a truly compassionate way??? would this be analagous to a human being who tries to help/save cattle from being used to advance our human agenda??? Thanks so much, bill & kerry, for sharing yourselves so generously. you are real heroes! May those of us who have come to respect your work and love your spirit follow your examples of courage, vision, and generosity. ya'll are Love Personified(at least on your best days!) Your friends and fans are MUCH blessed! :wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2::wub2: |
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Hi there!
I've just stumbled upon a brand new video on youtube called "Jordan Maxwell exposed debunked" and it contradicts Jordan's statements one by one showing a lecture given by him. What do you make of that? Who's right? I kinda like Jordan... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BApH6McCLoc |
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Only, on a couple other things I totally disagree with JM. Peace |
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Are you serious? :nono: ....surely your in the wrong place to be saying stuff like that.... Again this is BILL RYAN'S THREAD for questions and itelligent discussion.... not voice your oipion thread... [Double post merged - A..] |
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