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i would like to just clarify that i have no idea about the OTO, but refer rather to the apparent circumstances surrounding Hubbard and his involment and actions regarding them.

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Hello, since I was one of the people associated with him when he was investigating Aleister Crowley's methods (I was there) the intention and purpose was to get some answers and be willing to go into the lion's den to get some answers. This lifetime I also re-visited the OTO to get some answers. Is that guilt by association?

It would be very hard for you to do much valid research on him because of the orchestrated smear campaign that Dane Tops (and myself) can verify. Even without the smear campaign he was human enough and he did make some wrong turns, but that is only my assessment after seeing what Dianetics alone can do for people after it was improved (as R3X).

All technologies can be improved (and will be).

"horrible science fiction" is a generalized personal attack so I won't dignify that remark except to say to each his own tastes and understandings.

To discount his early works would be like saying the Vedas are BS -- some is, some is not.

I know Dane Tops is correct in basically saying that Ron took on some enemies that he was not well equipped to take on. That is an object lesson to me as I continue to confront some heavy duty beings (at least in their own eyes). If I get knocked out of the game, as with Ron, it is simply a lesson learned and back into the game, as with Ron: The being that was known as Ron is back in the game.

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hi bill :-)

do you have any thoughts on reverse speech? and in that same direction, have you looked into peggy kane's work with it?

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:wall:Hi Gnosis....I would love to explore superconsciousness so that I may be able to fully understand the second line in my own signature

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Second line of your signature duly noted.

It is interesting that the more clearing work one does the higher the levels the clearing work is done on and it becomes more and more interesting. It appears that I am starting to do clearing work on a second dynamic 5th dimension level. Those are just words to me that attempt to describe what type of clearing work I have graduated to.

If you wish to take a spin around the block for a test ride please PM me. I don't charge for my services but I can not promise a long term contract either ... have an engagement with a ship's officer :original:

best,
gnosis

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Is she the only one. I'm perplexed why reverse speech is not a more popular subject. Because it's so darn hard to understand?

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she's not the only one doing it, and by no means the originator of it. but she's the only one i've come across who is looking at it in regard to many of the subjects that are talked about here.

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Hi Bill,
Can Camelot interview Cliff and publish soon for two reasons really 1) the great information exchange and 2)calm the waters for all in this time of transition?

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Can we encourage more sincere, respectful and constructive behavior on the forum? That is: to "expect" it of people, rather than just letting people post what ever they like whether it relates to topics or not? People will behave more appropriately if it is "expected".

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M-1, Camelot has already interviewed Cliff, it is on this page, look for Half Past Human:

http://www.projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html

The waters will calm themselves...Cliff and Bill will both continue on with the excellent work each has been doing.

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My questions:

1. Will there be an Erich von Daniken full interview?

2. As a consumer of the alternative media I always had the impression that the alternative media always exaggerates (famine, martial law, 3rd world war starting all the time, economy imploding in a few month and so on… but it never happens), and has a serious problem with accuracy (example: it’s the Zionists, it’s the Nazis, it’s the Illuminati, it’s the Vatican, it’s the masons, it’s the bad aliens, it’s the reptilians, it’s demons from other dimensions and so on). I was wondering if Project Camelot can comment on this issue, perhaps propose an explanation. (I am aware that Project Camelot has stated publicly that not everything on the website is true because some claims contradict others).



Consider this in the case for the credibility of the alternative media: someone like David Icke can put on his website among the Lattest News Headlines this title: Garreth Icke’s Debut Albume released (link: http://www.davidicke.com/index.php/ - scroll down). Is your son’s album just as important as an attempt by the conspirators to engage in genocidal vaccination? NO! I don’t have any explanation for this situation on David Icke’s website. Idealistically these people should represent ideas not persons (certainly not themselves), and every piece of information that they put out there should be the truth and nothing but the relevant truth. Unfortunately that’s not how things are as you can see, and I strongly recommend anybody who participates in the alternative media to represent ideas (truth, compassion, respect, equality etc.) not themselves or who knows what.

Final statement: The truth is within you. Everything else is secondary. Finding out what the future is, is not a requirement, it is a product of fear. The world is what we make of it.

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brilliant. absolutely. thank you for that insight. I was circling but hadn't quite grasped it yet ;)

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Whoever suggested a full length Erik Von Daniken video interview...

Its a brilliant idea. I'd love to see that one day.

All the best,

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I have been re-visiting my research on Jane B as I've been participating on this thread.

Regarding the alleged July 24 call advocating disruption and the destruction of property related to NLE 09, I have found text from an Avalon thread that may or may not be the July 24 call in question.

If this is the same text that was talked about on the Nutrimedical Report on September 18 in the 2nd hour, I would have to disagree that it is calling for disruption and the destruction of property related to NLE 09.

The following is a copy and paste from the opening post of the thread "An urgent request from Jane Burgermeister":
______________________________________________

Dear Members,

An urgent request from Jane Burgermeister:

If you live in the US, please email/fax this to all military bases/major law enforcement stations in your region after typing your name in at the bottom for greater poignancy. You can fax from your computer using Metrofax.

After you have done this, please contact Joanne Cremer at apostlejoanne@hotmail.com and let her know what you have done to avoid duplication of effort!

These potentially dangerous exercises start this coming Monday, so it would be optimal if we could get these sent by that time! See the letter below to use:
_______________________________________________

To Our Fellow Americans in the United States Military, In Law Enforcement, and Who Serve as First Responders:

We have reason to believe that the joint NorthCom counterterrorism exercises commencing on July 27, 2009 in Region VI involving troops from the United Nations, United States , United Kingdom , Canada , Germany and Mexico may endanger the sovereignty and general welfare of the United States , as well as that of your families and yourselves.

These combined military exercises are a questionable show of force against a terrorist threat that probably actually consists of the UN and its client national governments forcing this military action upon the American people.

Further, these exercises involving UN troops are timed to coincide with a pandemic emergency exercise organized by FEMA, Homeland Security and the World Health Organization (WHO), an agency of the UN.

We are concerned about the intersection of these combined military exercises with what we feel is a spurious declaration by the UN's World Health Organization (WHO) of a Level VI pandemic of H1N1 influenza.
We have reason to believe this could lead to mandated genocide via lethal mass vaccination of the American people and other peoples of the world, resulting in unprecedented profit for the international bank-based criminal syndicate that presently controls the UN, its WHO, and their client national governments, including that of the United States, as evidenced by the recent federally-mandated bank bailout and unaccountable corporate welfare imposed against the will of the American people and endangering the general welfare of our country.

Especially since members of the military, law enforcement and first responders are part of the population most at risk for such mandated vaccination programs, as well as being those most likely to have to enforce them, we would appreciate if you would be alert to the activities of Homeland Security and FEMA, federal agencies answerable to the WHO and the UN in the United States, under the International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza signed by President George W. Bush in November 2005.

This 2005 semi-secret international agreement renders the government of the United States and its relevant laws and statutes, as well as our Constitution and Bill of Rights, subservient to the authority of the United Nations and its World Health Organization.

Both the NorthCom counterterrorism exercises and Homeland Security/FEMA drills will be coordinated by the UN and the WHO respectively, possibly providing the international bank-based controllers of the WHO and UN with an opportunity to covertly take over our nation and eliminate most of the population of the United States by means of a federally-mandated program of lethal vaccination accompanied by one of federally-mandated detention for those exercising their constitutional right to refuse such vaccinations.

Below please find several websites where you can find credible documentation of what we are saying here:

http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pa...terrorism.html
http://www.scribd.com/.../Evidence-o...-Depopulate-US
http://www.legitgov.org/pandemic_action.html

We ask you to stand by the US Constitution and the American people at all times, and, if necessary, to actively intervene if there are signs that FEMA and Homeland Security units following orders from the UN/WHO are misusing these combined military exercises to begin mass vaccinations and detentions.

Thank you for your work in service to your country, and for your consideration.

Your fellow patriot,

*********************************************

If this is the correct text - it is addressed to the United States Military, Law Enforcement, and First Responders. And it is targeting FEMA and Homeland Security units following orders from the UN/WHO. Nothing wrong with that. This sounds similar to the mission of Oath Keepers to me...

*********************************************

So, is this the correct text?

I don't know...

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Hmmmm. Maybe this is a problem...

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Bill:

As for interviewing Lou Baldin/Sleeper....

Can you simply do a Phone or Skype Interview if travel then is too expensive?
I know Mel Fabregas of 'The Veritas Show' did just that. (Phone)
He did not have any problems that I am aware of with his interview either.
(Disconnects, hang ups, etc)

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Hello Monsieur Ryan,

Any contact with chinese "whistleblowers"?No interview with an arboriginal Master or black african Master in the making?

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I Agree Dood,telephone,audio interviews are an easy way to get around travel complications and don't cost anywhere near what a plane and car would cost.I think it a waste of monies when the interview can be conducted via skype or phone...Mel has done a fabulous job to date!

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Hi Bill ...

I've reviewed most of the material on the Camelot site and I've looked into many other sources of related information during my research over the past few years, but despite all this, I've rarely come across even a hint of good information relating to animal life in general; here I mean our pets and the wildlife in our world. I see the trusting gaze of my faithful wee dog as he looks up at me from the safety of his warm and comfy basket in the corner of my office here, and I wonder about his place in all this. I am sure that he has a soul and that he is important, but I've never come across anything that might help me better understand the role of animals in our lives. Can you comment on this please?

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Panpravda, I think you just described part of their role.... What do you see when you look into your pet's eyes? I see trust, love, innocence .... but I do too wonder as you do.

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Thanks Bill and Kerry, for the free access to the Forum. I could not have paid anyway without a creditcard, ha ha. I am happy to see lots of things moving on and being birthed. Congratulations with a huge job, Bill, you always bring out the best in everybody by implementing the round table principle of Camelot. I honour you for that!
Kind regards from Marian.

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So do you claim that he did not steal Jack Parson's money, nor have an affair with his wife, and use it to buy some Yacht's? For starters? A number of multiple sources which can readily be verified all got together and made that up?

Well, maybe. Maybe alot of things. My opinion, and no, I wasn't there, but Hubbard was a selfish liar and thief, and a very good example of a sociopathic individual. But maybe that's just what they want me to believe...

I am not saying i know, (though i certainly don't take your word for anything mr. anonymous forum poster on the web who makes such claims, though again, perhaps it is so, i do not know) all i am suggesting is that people do some real research on the man before believing anything, or using his methods at all, which IMO could very well be dangerous, although i am tolerant enough to allow for anyone to go with whatever works for them, so long as it does not intentionally cause harm to another.

thank you.~


P.S. - As my question was directed to Bill, i will not respond to any further posts Gnosis, so you are therefore free to have the last word.

Again to reiterate, i encourage people to do their own research on L Ron Hubbard, dianetics, and Scientology. They give me the creeps, his own son co-wrote a book detailing much of the life of Hubbard, and neither of his wives say much nice about him, i cannot see what they would gain from going public with such information.

All this is my own limited opinion, which may very well be unfounded, and I do not have any real direct experience with Hubbard or Scientology, nor do i plan to. In no way do i claim it to hold any truth for anyone else.



Love & Respect to you all regardless. .~

P.E.A.C.E.

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Hi Bill,

Thanks for answering the questions!
I was wondering do you guys have any alert system planned for when the predicted solar flare that's heading our way wich will fry all electronics is going to hit? Do you think you will get contacted by insider scientists who will alarm you guys to put it up the side so people can get ready?

From what I've heard from James Gilliland it should come end 2009 beginning 2010..

Thank you!

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Hello Bill-

again, many thanks to you and Kerry for your tremendous achievements- PC is a luminescent, ever-brightening port in a storm of continuing epic proportions-

if I recall correctly, Kerry once said in an interview that she (you both?) know Don Nicoloff (whoever he may be)-

what is your take on him?- I found his article about the "disappeared" Michael Rockefeller in the early 60's being the real father of Obama very interesting, although I have my reservations- Nicoloff failed to mention who his mother might have been (or did I miss something?)-

do you know Ken Adachi, host of the website educate-yourself.org, in which Nicoloff's articles are linked?-

please inform us all-

warmest regards from cold, windy, slightly-snowing SW Germany (so much for Gore's cash-winning global warming)

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Hey Bill.

Which interview was the most memorable to you? Also what persons information/testimony, so far, has resonated with you the most?

Thank you for you're time. Jia.

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I sense that soon a message is forthcoming from Bill in the vein that "I'm just too darned busy to keep up with this thread" type thing. I'm waiting to see if my question, post #380 gets addressed. How in the heck this has not even been asked by others is beyond me really!

anyhoo in response to this posted above:
"his own son co-wrote a book detailing much of the life of Hubbard, and neither of his wives say much nice about him"....

hey, don't forget that there is no honor to be bestowed by your family members (chit, I can't remember the exact wording of this "famous" saying.._ but you get the gist)... I'm tired...

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ya man i hear ya. completely disillusioned by avalon today. camelot too. bill shoulda logged in and said his piece. but dang, he's a human too. so i love him for that but will keep my eyes wide open. but nice to be blind to pc for change hunh :)

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Bill,

Steven Greer has his witnesses promise to testify to Congress (to anyone) as to what they know.
You have infered, with your credibility, what you said is true about him.
Can your "witnesses" be so bold?
If not why?
Is it not time for the bold to step into the light?
Or are you not so sure of your point of view?

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Hello bill , first i would like to say thanks for the sterling work you are doing , its very much appreciated . I check the camelot blog everyday .
Ive got a few questions for you .
Firstly do you know where to find accurate information on the annunaki and the Draco ?
And secondly , whats your opinion about 2012 ? Ive read the 'Ra Material' ( which changed my life in a positive way) and done quite a bit of digging on the subject . There seems to be 2 schools of thought though . Some like David Wilcock suggest it will be a dramatic shift to 4D and others say it will be very gradual . I have found that even the law of one has a contradiction as it says 3D entities are not compatible with 4th Density and 2011/12 is the 4D date but it also says that it could take between 100 - 700 years for the transition ?
Whats your opinion ?
Anyway , thanks again for everything your doing .

John

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Hi Bill,

I was thinking it would be a good idea to have a 'recommended books page' on your site.

Also, what would your top 3 books be to read?

Thank you.
Lily

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Can we just loosen up. :mfr_omg: alliens are coming.. Are they positive or are they negative? Dr Greer tries to convince us that they are positive,on the other hand , Bill and Kerrie try to convince us that not all of them are positive.Furthermore,Alex Collier wants us to define how we want to be mentored.So, we are engaging in pointless dissusions and debates, being destracted what really matters.Do you see what is going on? I do not need mentor, and do not need Kerrie and Bill fears. Period. Can Avalon be a foundation for inspiration, creativity, sense of humor ,and freedom. Can we really be free from any influences?
Can we really laugh ? Can we really see the truth?

It is dangerous when we see authority for the truth rather than the truth for authority

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It is dangerous when we see authority for the truth rather than the truth for authority.

Can i use this when ever I want to?:thumb_yello:

This is most truth i've ever seen here!

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Firstly, wow, what a thread, some great stuff here.

Bill, I have listened to your interview "Freedom Central" and found it amazing, and agree with your conclusions. It's a shame you don't take more of an active roll in the interviews on Camelot, because you are a very eloquent and concise speaker :welcomeani: it's easy to follow what you are saying and your meaning.

I am currently reading the Dane Tops transcript, and to be honest am blown away with it..... :mfr_omg:

My question is (not necessarily to Bill, open to everyone), where to take this personally, how to start learning this stuff, who to trust with it, and what to read and in what order?

Mods...

Not sure but perhaps this thread should be pinned :wink2:

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Maybe this thread could get locked for posting until Bill has the time to answer...and than opened again....

Give him some room to "breathe"

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Hello, All:

Apologies for not getting to the forum yesterday. I'm working my way through all questions in sequence. Easy to miss something, so please re-post if necessary.

Again, some replies have been brief - I hope you can understand - and I'm using this as an opportunity not just to clarify with a brief 'yes' or 'no, sorry', but where I can with a little added value and context.

Thanks also to all those coming back (or who have been there all the time!) saying hello personally here. Very much appreciated.

This is a completely excellent question and I have no neat answer.

It's unlikely that we'd be shot in the back of the head (messy and attracts way too much attention) or suicided (the pledge handles that). If I were a PTB Camelot enemy I'd create problems for us that get us fighting with each other terminally or unable to continue our work in other ways (logistical, financial, legal) that look like normal human stuff that 'just happens'.

We have a bit of a back-up team and massive general support among hundreds of close allies who have got to know us well - but no understudies as such.

We could each continue Camelot alone - so there is reduncancy there, like a two-engined plane able to cross the Atlantic on one if needed. But at the moment if we were both disabled I think the whole project would be archived.

1) Indigos: I'm not personally clear whether they're a different kind of human being, a different kind of soul (e.g. from elsewhere or elsewhen), or just a generic term for newcomers who are happily and freely surfing on the wave of the increase of consciousness that is definitely here and building.

The presence of Indigos and Crystals is one of the most important reasons why I do not believe any catastrophe or wipe-out will occur.

If that was predestined or unavoidable or sitting there on some fixed future, they wouldn't have come here. (And neither would I, or probably any of you.) I talk about this in my Freedom Central interview.

2) Tsarion: yes, would love to talk with him.

We were blown away too. Kerry was in touch with James way back (before Camelot) and has the rights to a possible WingMakers movie. (No money involved. James just gave Kerry the rights.) Kerry has never actually met him - no-one has.

James is a Camelot follower like many are out there. We have a huge invisible audience (a million visitors every 30-33 days) and only hear regularly from a very small % of these people. That blows us away too when we realize who's following and appreciating our work.

We respect the work of Bill Cooper and pay tribute to him on our site here:

http://projectcamelot.org/cooper.html

We do know that he had inflated his past and his credentials (John Lear and Rich Dolan talk about this) but that doesn't minimize his importance in the alternative community. I read Beyond A Pale Horse when it came out in late 1991 (I'd pre-ordered a copy and I remember my excitement the day it arrived, just before Christmas) and Cooper was instrumental in shaping my thinking at that time when I was in my late 30s.

Don't quote this out of context (please!), but depending on what you mean by "mystery school" I'd say that yes, Jordan is at his core a mystery school researcher and that he would say that there was a lot of truth and wisdom in ancient philosophy and metaphysics that has since been twisted by the Dark Side and used for its own ends.

An interesting snippet: Earlier I was asked a question about Hidden Hand's information, and I replied that we'd been contacted by someone who told us that HH's information was 90% accurate but deliberately contained 10% falsehoods.

This person who contacted us belonged to a group we'd never heard of before and which I can find no information about on the internet. He was 100% a good guy and we both liked him a lot.

He took us out to dinner and told us that he was breaking ranks as he was "forbidden" (he stressed that twice) to talk to outsiders. The reason he respected our work was because he recognized that we were genuine truth-seekers and didn't seek to make any money out of the information we learned. He was able to get away with his code break because he was very senior in his group and he took full responsibility for his decision to talk to us.

He described his group as a [my paraphrase] an ancient but still-active "benevolent counterpart of the Illuminati". He confirmed that not all the information was lost in the Great Library of Alexandria and that in fact much of it was still intact. I can't tell you how much this intrigued me.

This encounter (which was not recorded) was beyond fascinating and this is one of many projects we're following up. The relevance of this anecdote is that not everyone associated with "mystery schools" is bad.

The following questions from The Guy are so excellent, focused and intelligent that I've largely kept them intact and not abbreviated them. (Please no-one else take this as a personal slight!)

Skate Liver Oil.

One source is here:

http://www.greenpasture.org/retail/?...kate-liver-oil

(no commercial interest - just info)
No personal knowledge or expertise.
We were told by Peterson that the only book that really tells the truth about RV was the original one (Psychic Warrior) by David Morehouse.

http://amazon.com/Psychic-Warrior-Am.../dp/0312964137

I have it in writing from Christopher (Kit) Green) that the military RV program was never closed down and instead went "underground" using drugs, electronics, hypnosis, etc to augment the abilities. Joe McMoneagle, Ed Dames and the others were never involved in that and never knew anything about it. I asked Kit whether Pat Price really died, but never got an answer. That (absence of an answer) might not mean anything - I don't know.

Not really, I'm afraid. see above re Psychic Warrior. Free Zone Scientology only focuses on freeing one from charge from the past (and other interfering sources in present time) and doesn't seek to augment abilities per se.

The purpose is to free the person as a spiritual being... and then the interesting abilities sometimes come as a by-product.

The best analogy is rehabilitating someone who's been in a wheelchair for years and can now walk once more. That doesn't mean that can run, do gymnastics, or climb mountains. That takes separate training. But the potential is there once the problem is handled that stopped him from being able to use his legs.

No. I need to be careful and responsible about what I say here. We have not met or spoken with James Casbolt, and have corresponded with him once or twice very briefly. He's definitely had real experiences and is not just making this stuff up.

Meanwhile, some of his reported information - as best as I can see - and I may be wrong - comes from the internet and is relayed information from elsewhere. It SEEMS to be a real grab-bag of material that's quite complex and needs care to analyze. We have not spent very much time doing this so are not experts in his story or his information. That's an important caveat.

But: it's also hard to understand how (if he was as close to this information as he states) he would be permitted to talk freely. Of course, I do know that people also say that about Camelot and about people like Bill Deagle. The short answer is my first - that we have not met him and would be interested to do so.

Please see all answers above...
This is Kerry's idea behind Project Light Warrior: to help create a [kind of] cadre of modern Jedi Knights using a variety of resources.
I do agree with you. There's a huge amount of information here and many who have been abused close the door (understandably) to everything. Our friend Henry Deacon is among them.
This might be one of the themes for the coming 13-14 February MK Ultra Conference in Boston.
Yes - this technology exists and is not trauma-based. Jake Simpson http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html had his reading speed increased to between 80,000-100,000 words per minute. He still has quote a lot of this ability many years later. He has NOT told us how this was trained/gained. He walks a careful tightrope with us and knows exactly what he can and can't say and how far he can go.
See above re the analogy of the person in the wheelchair who can now walk again. They can't run yet, or dance, or do much else. But the potential is now there, and needs training and application.
I'm not sure that the conditions are a major part of the situation. (The Anastasia story is a modern myth, by the way -this was not a real person. But the story and message are very valuable as an inspiration.) But of course living in a 'clean' environment (no pollutants or toxins or stress and - importantly - no electro-smog) must help quite a lot.
No patterns that I can think of - good question.
We both have some natural and gained psychic abilities that of course help. We don't sit down and go through RV protocols (targets, envelopes, pen and paper, etc).
I think it's an increase of consciousness that's finally intended (and may or may not succeed, but it stands a good chance) of breaking the chains of the controllers.

****

More later if at all possible (but might well be tomorrow) -

Regards to all and very best wishes, B

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Juat realized that I really need to expand on TheGuy's last question. He asked

I'd replied:

I think it's an increase of consciousness that's finally intended (and may or may not succeed, but it stands a good chance) of breaking the chains of the controllers.

Let me add a little:

1) Are we supposed to experience "growing pains" with negative events?

Yes - I think that's part of it (remember that we're all on a training course here)

2) Are we supposed to recognize the bs for what it is and rise above it?

Certainly - part of it also

3) Are we supposed to transition to another state of being (maybe not physical), etc?

Not in my opinion. Growth and awareness, absolutely. Breaking through into a new way of being responsible Stewards of Planet Earth (and of one another) - absolutely. Extraordinary personal experiences by the ton, absolutely.

But Ascension, Transcendence, Evolving to the 4th or 5th dimensions or densities (whatever that means) - that makes no sense to me in any way. No personal offense is meant to anyone here for whom those ideas are valuable and dear.

In my personal opinion, the 'Ascension' myth is a new New Age religious belief system that is rather close to the "God will save us all" belief. "God" doesn't do that (take a look at history) and neither will the ETs, Angels, or anyone else.

We all signed up for this incarnation, knowing that it was going to be a wild ride, and we have to handle it on our own (albelt with quiet and subtle mentoring, coaching and software upgrading from ET friends, and some ETs incarnated amongst us - for sure).

On 1 Jan, 2013, we'll still have to be handling the problems of the world, which will be very real, solid and problematic still. But we may be past the worst of it by then and many things might look more hopeful.

There's a huge amount of rebuilding to do. Has anyone here ever spent time in Africa or India?

I've traveled in Africa a lot. (I spent much of the first 8 years of my life there, and have returned frequently.) Tell those guys that they're going to ascend out of their poverty and disease and hunger. We need to take responsibility for the mess we have all created in this world.

There's a VAST clean-up to do that may take a generation or more. This is where the real learning and growth will take place. We all need to face what we have done.

So: I suspect we've all got our own work cut out for quite a while yet. The Indigos are still coming into the world - they chose their timing perfectly, and won't have missed any party.

The idea, though, is to make it POSSIBLE for the reversal of geopolitical trends to start. I believe this possibility is opening now.

Very best wishes - B

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wow, very well said Bill!
I totally agree with the need for taking responsibility for ALL of our actions.
the little voice inside me has repeatedly been saying just that!
thank you so much for sharing!

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Now, I wasn't aware that you feel that way. You know, it's really nice and important to see that you, as a public person, do say that doom and gloom is not likely to happen. This will encourage more and more other out there to search for their truth and finaly understand that WE do not need to fear.

Thanks for this statement...and btw, sorry for not saying hello timely :tears:

So now...hello Bill :mfr_lol:, thanks for your work!

with respect
malletzky

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Hi Bill, I'm new here so um where's the bathroom?
Can I get an ashtray over here...geez
Did you get a new hat?

Re: Bill Ryan's thread
 

The limited view that God is external and sitting on a throne to save us all is not a realistic perspective. God is in us all. For God to save us we must save ourselves. Dimensional realities are very real and part of Quantum physics. This is real science and not a belief system.

Matter is at a very low vibrational state. Other transcendental realities exist in higher frequencies of energy vibration. Physical reality is even more real in higher densities. To not understand this concept is only limiting your potential.

Regardless of what you believe is true, there are karma circumstances to overall behavior patterns of this race. It is not about choosing sides, creating cults, and dwelling in the muck. Duality, polarity, and everything in between are universal reactions to movement of your spiritual expression. You are alive and you feel everything. And if comprehension of feeling is ignored relying on only processed analytical information, then you are missing the whole aspect of existence.

It is the combination of spirit, body, and mind that gives you balance on a real true comprehension of what is happening. Every person is on a different level of discovering the aspects of the Creator within all of us. Some do not comprehend ascension. Others do. But Ascension is a natural process of spiritual development lifetime after lifetime. You are on a journey.

Whether you choose to believe your path or not is your right. But either way, you will have to deal with the universal laws. These universal laws apply to everyone regardless of belief. Illusion or non-illusion does not apply to energy transformation from one form to another. God is within us and all around.

A camera angle is still a camera angle. But the overall production of the movie has its different actors. And each actor plays a specific role.

When the movie is finished - Ascension - Now it is time to make another movie.

You can look at ascension as a collection of wisdom. The more love you share the more light energy you collect. The closer you get to God the more of this Source information becomes a part of you. It is all our inheritance to fulfill our higher expression of the source in this low 3d reality. But is also your right to hide in the shadows and stay away from the light.

For those of you that do not want to ascend will be left behind of your own choosing to work out your karma. And this is also respected.

However, whether you like it or not, Earth is in pain and wants to ascend away from the abuse that has been laid upon her. If you want to be a part of her, then you must resonate with her. This is also the part of the ascension.

If you choose to dwell in darkness, then the darkness you shall have.

Either way, there are many perspectives of ascension that can fit into your conception. If you are an earth bound adventurous type that refuses to believe in spirituality then enjoy your adventures from that perspective. But keep in mind, Indiana Jones eventually realizes that love is the most important thing in the end.

In conclusion Ascension is a process not an event.